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Twin Cinema posted:Does anyone know what happened between Wendell and Michelle off the island? It seems like he cheated on her, but I am not sure. We don't have details and it's fine to respect their privacy. Best guess is that Michelle took the relationship more seriously than Wendell did.
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Aerox posted:Does anyone know what the contingency plan in the rules are if, at vote time, everyone is either gone or has made themselves immune? Do they just cancel tribal? Not exactly the situation you described, but.....just watch if you haven't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzX7OXMhyUs
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Mar 19, 2020 18:42
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Silly Burrito posted:Not exactly the situation you described, but.....just watch if you haven't. Right, but what if she also had an idol?
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Mar 19, 2020 19:07
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I hope they bring back the Survivor auction with fire tokens as currency. People actually have different amounts so you can have real bidding instead of everyone waiting around to all-in.
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Mar 19, 2020 19:07
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i just got around to watching last night's episode and oh my godddddd that was beautiful
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Mar 19, 2020 19:14
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Aerox posted:Does anyone know what the contingency plan in the rules are if, at vote time, everyone is either gone or has made themselves immune? Do they just cancel tribal? Jeff has said in interviews that they're always careful with putting advantages into the game to make sure this is impossible, but Jeff is also an idiot/liar and it's definitely possible. For instance, if the post-swap red tribe had gone to the green camp and Tony found the green idol it would have been possible this season. I guess they just wouldn't hide an idol on the green tribe in that scenario, but that assumes production cares enough about avoiding this scenario when clearly they would love it and Probst would hype it up as "wow! the winners came to play, they completely broke the game, this is unprecedented!!!" Anyway this season mostly rules, but the advantages and tokens and split idols and Edge stuff is all mostly convoluted garbage eating up screentime. This season has had a bunch of great moments and essentially zero of them have had anything to do with all the extra mechanics they're throwing in. The closest the extra mechanics have come to contributing to a good moment was Sandra's scheme this episode but if the tokens / her expiring idol didn't exist the outcome is ultimately still the same just with Denise sending Sandra out with Denise's own idol. That's one of the worst part of these extra bells and whistles: they barely affect the game and when they do it's usually in an abrupt and unsatisfying way. With all the time spent on Island of the Idols last season (about 25% of each episode), how many of those advantages even influenced the game? Elaine's block a vote (which abruptly turned a strategically tense 4-4 split into a 4-3 steamroll), Dean's nullifier (depriving us of a Janet win), and Kellee's idol on Dean (okay that one was kind of cool).
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Mar 19, 2020 19:23
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Aerox posted:Right, but what if she also had an idol? From https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Tiebreaker, so take it for what it's worth. quote:Null Votes Clear as mud.
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Mar 19, 2020 19:47
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Silly Burrito posted:From https://survivor.fandom.com/wiki/Tiebreaker, so take it for what it's worth. It's perfectly clear but it's not applicable to this question because it's for a situation where all the votes went to someone with an idol, but there are people on the tribe who did not use one and just had no votes against them (ie: what happened to Cirie). In the situation we're trying to figure out, everyone would still have immunity because it explicitly states that immunity transfers over to the next vote.
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Mar 19, 2020 19:58
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IcePhoenix posted:It's perfectly clear but it's not applicable to this question because it's for a situation where all the votes went to someone with an idol, but there are people on the tribe who did not use one and just had no votes against them (ie: what happened to Cirie). In the situation we're trying to figure out, everyone would still have immunity because it explicitly states that immunity transfers over to the next vote. Then they would just revote again duh
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Mar 19, 2020 20:40
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I think a fun twist for upcoming seasons would be an open, known rule that only one hidden immunity idol can be played per tribal, it's whoever yells it first, and the idol can be played at any point once Tribal Council officially starts (where it would function as a regular immunity necklace and prevent people from writing your name down) up until the normal time after the votes are cast (where it can block cast votes). Do you play early? Do you play late? Do you know who else actually has one? Do you risk waiting for the votes for a huge move or blow up the vote early and maybe get an alliance member in trouble? Who knows!
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Mar 19, 2020 20:41
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Aerox posted:Right, but what if she also had an idol? A camera operator goes home and then the next tribal council is done with Jeff's voiceover over drawn art of the players like in sealed court trials.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:43
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bagrada posted:A camera operator goes home and then the next tribal council is done with Jeff's voiceover over drawn art of the players like in sealed court trials. I was picturing a Junji Ito type story where Jeff has been going to tally zero votes and calling for a revote in a cycle for the last 200 years and everyone is slowly turning into their torch.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:45
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blue squares posted:Then they would just revote again duh with everyone immune?
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Mar 19, 2020 20:51
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Aerox posted:I think a fun twist for upcoming seasons would be an open, known rule that only one hidden immunity idol can be played per tribal, it's whoever yells it first, and the idol can be played at any point once Tribal Council officially starts (where it would function as a regular immunity necklace and prevent people from writing your name down) up until the normal time after the votes are cast (where it can block cast votes). Interesting, but makes immunity idols even more powerful since now they can be used offensively by a majority to make sure a minority alliance person goes home, essentially giving your entire majority alliance immunity. It will also weaken the minority alliance since only one minority alliance person can be protected and everyone knows who it would be, so majority alliance just goes to target B. Another option is just make hidden immunity idols only playable at the urn when you write your vote, this will make it more powerful for minority alliances since majority alliances can't see if they chose a protected player and play reactionary idols. But lets be honest, Jeff loves lots of idols played and its "more exciting TV" for the advantage avalanche to happen, so neither option will ever happen. Lastly, Denise made they right move if for nothing more than getting the hidden immunity idol for half-price.
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Mar 19, 2020 20:53
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It occurred to me that Survivor starts filming at the end of March and goes through until July for the two seasons each year. Looked it up and yep, Survivor production delayed until May. But they still expect to be able to film then and put out the first season as originally planned in September. I just don't see that happening.
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Zesty posted:It occurred to me that Survivor starts filming at the end of March and goes through until July for the two seasons each year. Looked it up and yep, Survivor production delayed until May. But they still expect to be able to film then and put out the first season as originally planned in September. We've got our own Survivor going on now, with toilet paper as a coveted reward item.
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Zesty posted:It occurred to me that Survivor starts filming at the end of March and goes through until July for the two seasons each year. Looked it up and yep, Survivor production delayed until May. But they still expect to be able to film then and put out the first season as originally planned in September. Wouldn't shock me if they just test everyone who's going to be going out there. Not like they have to worry much about it spreading to them from someone else at that point.
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Mar 19, 2020 21:17
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IcePhoenix posted:with everyone immune? I think it implies they'd go to revote and none of the idols/advantages carry over. I'm not sure if it would make the challenge immunity null though?
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Mar 19, 2020 21:19
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IcePhoenix posted:with everyone immune? I was just joking, like you would just revote again and again for eternity
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Mar 19, 2020 21:40
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Probably just let everyone stay then do a double later.
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Chic Trombone posted:i just got around to watching last night's episode and oh my godddddd Best episode in many many seasons.
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Mar 19, 2020 22:11
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If everyone is immune then Jeff is fired, replaced with Drew Carey.
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IcePhoenix posted:Wouldn't shock me if they just test everyone who's going to be going out there. Not like they have to worry much about it spreading to them from someone else at that point. Seems good in theory, but there's so many camera crew and production people around that it seems like it would be a pretty serious risk from exploding before the end of the season. Also, the real question is are we going to end up with a bunch of lovely reality TV shows come fall, as I'm assuming the scripted TV shows are going to be hurt pretty bad as well. There is still a season of The Amazing Race in the can, hope that gets to air at some point.
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Normy posted:Probably just let everyone stay then do a double later. Yep, but they have to broadcast the angry shouty production meeting that follows during the next episode.
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blue squares posted:I was just joking, like you would just revote again and again for eternity oh ok, that went way over my head lol maybe the contestants are finally allowed to vote out Jeff SLICK GOKU BABY posted:There is still a season of The Amazing Race in the can, hope that gets to air at some point. oh hell yes, give this to me SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Seems good in theory, but there's so many camera crew and production people around that it seems like it would be a pretty serious risk from exploding before the end of the season. when I said everyone I meant literally everyone, not just the cast  yes I realize this is a gross misuse of available testing kits
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Big Taint posted:If everyone is immune then Jeff is fired, replaced with Drew Carey. Gary Busey. https://i.imgur.com/kZtgECn.mp4
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Also, the real question is are we going to end up with a bunch of lovely reality TV shows come fall, as I'm assuming the scripted TV shows are going to be hurt pretty bad as well. Like the writer's strike, lot's of re-runs coming, at least until new genres are invented (haven't been watching Big Brother or reading the thread, but boy howdy I'm guessing that's gonna be hosed up as it winds down). Otteration fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Mar 20, 2020 |
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Seems good in theory, but there's so many camera crew and production people around that it seems like it would be a pretty serious risk from exploding before the end of the season. lovely reality tv is cheap to make but it still requires large casts and crews. I think the more practical thing we'll see if this lasts for awhile is the Networks pulling old shows out of the moth balls or airing cable/streaming shows.
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STAC Goat posted:lovely reality tv is cheap to make but it still requires large casts and crews. 17 sexy and exciting volunteers (!) in 17 separate locked luxury FEMA isolation trailers watched and watching each other via remote cameras, texting at each other and text-voting out one loser each week. Each loser gets their locked luxury trailer towed to Death Valley where their power and water is cut off and we watch the inevitable end game. The remaining players text "LOL!" emojis at each other.
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Mar 20, 2020 00:25
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Oh hell yeah I'm ready for another season of Solitary, the best reality show that involved torturing its contestants! https://www.geek.com/television/remembering-solitary-the-cruelest-sci-fi-reality-show-ever-made-1730987/
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Mar 20, 2020 00:35
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Let's just keep everything the same, except animated.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Seems good in theory, but there's so many camera crew and production people around that it seems like it would be a pretty serious risk from exploding before the end of the season. The last time something like this happened tv-wise, with the big writer strike, we got the infamous BB season 9. They have a completed TAR season? I know the one they were currently filming was stopped...
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SteveVizsla posted:The last time something like this happened tv-wise, with the big writer strike, we got the infamous BB season 9. Yeah, but again the issue during the writer's strikes was "no writers" so cheap and easy reality tv was the natural answer. Here the issue is "can't assemble large groups of people." And besides the fact that lovely reality tv is basically built on the idea of throwing a bunch of people in a small space together and letting them drive each other insane they have huge crews. IF this lasts for a long time (and I think there's a scenario where we streamline testing and mass produce hospital equipment to make it safe to leave your home again) then I think that's when CBS starts thinking about airing Twilight Zone and Star Trek or Amazon sees how much a network will pay to air Man In The High Castle.
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In the greatest cosmic irony, the next season cast and crew are literally the only survivors of the world collapse Now that would end up as a weird society in a couple hundred years. Worshipers of Bah'Stuhn'Rahb.
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precision posted:In the greatest cosmic irony, the next season cast and crew are literally the only survivors of the world collapse that's basically what's happening in German and Canadian Big Brother https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/no-news-is-good-news-big-brother-germany-cut-off-from-covid-19
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https://twitter.com/BigBrotherCA/status/1240801079744479233 Here's the cast of Big Brother Canada learning about the coronavirus. It's very surreal. 
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The Lord Bude posted:It just occurred to me they likely won't be able to do a live reunion show for this season. That's a huge bummer, of all the live survivor finales you'd want to see...
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I know we've sort of moved on already, but man I think Denise played that terribly. Why in the world burn the 2nd idol and why vote for Sandra? I think she should have voted for either Kim or Tony, whichever she preferred, and saved the idol. If Jeremy goes home that sucks but who really cares? You've got another idol still that obviously no one else thinks you have, and you might not even go to tribal again before the merge. She could have then gone back to camp, immediately ratted Sandra out to who ever is left between Tony/Kim assuming one of them went home, and tried to convince them to join her and Jeremy since they have no incentive to stick with Sandra at that point. Also, who cares if she promised Sandra another fire token? She's not obligated to give it to her, just refuse and then vote her out.
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Or she can - singlehandedly - ensure that her shot at the somehow-queen won't miss and make certain that she and her closest ally are functionally invulnerable until the merge. It was high-risk to be sure and burning a second idol for what was essentially insurance against some really oblique angles was a bit weird but she took out the top current social threat and now has an ally for the rest of the game because of the second idol (go back and look at how ashamed he felt for voting for her, he won't do that again). Creating a newly-formed solid duo like that at this stage is an utterly clutch move that moved her from being an ablative immunity loss casualty to a real contender. Had she stuck with Sandra's plan she'd have an idol, a fire token, and that's about it. Sandra had no loyalty to her, only her fire tokens. Any pre-merge loss would then force her to use that idol to survive, with no ally and no good path forward. A post-merge loss has her idol reduced to either a lucky play or a bargaining chip, with about as much guarantee of being honored as the deal in question here.
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Also voting for anybody but Sandra can just be spun as Sandra's move since she felt so safe that instead of playing an expiring idol in a tribe of 5 she ended up netting a couple fire tokens. Voting that way just makes Denise look every bit the non-threat she was essentially called. Her 2nd idol was a little tainted due to Ben and Adam knowing about it. So just holding it could make her a prime blindside target in the future.
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