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TheHan posted:I love that the Cyber Sleuths hit a huge roadblock when UlForceVeedramon didn't make it to Tokyo, and Kyoko's solution is just "Well what if we went to another dimension where UlForceVeedramon did make it to Tokyo? Then you just do it and encounter what is clearly another protagonist from an earlier game. Not even a protagonist honestly, Rina is an extremely secondary character who keeps popping in as a series of bizarre cameos. She's like Gilgamesh except not funny and nobody really seems to like her. I get the sense that someone is really really pulling for her to be the next Ryo Akiyama, but god knows that probably isn't happening.
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Omnicrom posted:I get the sense that someone is really really pulling for her to be the next Ryo Akiyama, but god knows that probably isn't happening. I mean "nobody really likes them" also describes Ryo so.
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Mar 21, 2020 04:45
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Oh wow, with the hot-blooded idiocy and goggles coupled with her partner it gave off huge protagonist energy. But yeah, turned out she’s grating. Nokia is already doing the hot blooded hero schtick perfectly and I don’t really get Why Rina’s seemed to join cast from here on out. Mirei doesn’t even like her!
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Mar 21, 2020 05:20
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i like rina's dumb rear end way more than nokia
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Mar 21, 2020 09:24
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Nokia rules, she digivolved her partners twice through the sheer determination to whoop some rear end. Also I don't like Rina's pants.
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Mar 21, 2020 14:56
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Rina's the worst recurring character and I wish she didn't return. Sadly someone on the team really loves her so we'll have her forever alongside the far better Mirei and maybe the random Sayo. ..We don't have a single male character connecting all of these games, do we?
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Mar 21, 2020 16:54
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Blaze Dragon posted:Rina's the worst recurring character and I wish she didn't return. Sadly someone on the team really loves her so we'll have her forever alongside the far better Mirei and maybe the random Sayo. Mameo and Analogman
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Mar 21, 2020 18:11
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Rina, like Ryou before her, has most of her popularity in Japan
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Mar 21, 2020 18:43
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thetoughestbean posted:Mameo and Analogman Don't count, they only appear in games in the same continuity (and the very closely related Digital Card Battle). They aren't cross-continuity monsters like Mirei and Rina.
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Mar 21, 2020 21:28
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Nodosaur posted:Rina, like Ryou before her, has most of her popularity in Japan Doesn't surprise me. I can't speak to Rina, but by the accounts of Konaka's website Ryo ended up in Digimon Tamers because he actually was extremely popular in Japan.
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Mar 21, 2020 22:53
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It doesn’t help that Ryo was the star of a series of games on the ever-so-popular WonderSwan, which never left Japan’s borders. Meaning that instead of a great callback, we got some new guy that just happened to be perfect at everything he did for no apparent reason.
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Mar 22, 2020 02:05
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Geostomp posted:It doesn’t help that Ryo was the star of a series of games on the ever-so-popular WonderSwan, which never left Japan’s borders. Meaning that instead of a great callback, we got some new guy that just happened to be perfect at everything he did for no apparent reason. And young me still thought he was the coolest
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Mar 22, 2020 02:38
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There are more aggravating Perfect At Everything characters than Ryou. Like Yuu, to name one of them.
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Mar 22, 2020 03:09
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Nodosaur posted:There are more aggravating Perfect At Everything characters than Ryou. Like Yuu, to name one of them. Yuu is a nice antagonist with just as much Ken as he needed to have. He would've been a fun protagonist too had Hunters not decided to horribly sideline him.
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Mar 22, 2020 03:11
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Sidelined Yuu in Hunters? The show that gave him a fangirl squad, a love interest, and more focus episodes than Taiki?! Not to mention how he stole Nene’s role in the plot very transparently when it became obvious they were retooling the show because toy sales were down. I maintain that Yuu is the worst.
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Mar 22, 2020 03:17
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Nodosaur posted:Sidelined Yuu in Hunters? The show that gave him a fangirl squad, a love interest, and more focus episodes than Taiki?! Not to mention how he stole Nene’s role in the plot very transparently when it became obvious they were retooling the show because toy sales were down. What toy sales, as far as I can tell toys for Xros Wars completely vanished before even the first arc finished, let alone Young Hunters
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Mar 22, 2020 03:45
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Yes, that’s right. And by the time toys started disappearing was when we learned that Nene apparently had a little brother and theres an extremely abrupt shift in her character. In earlier episodes she’s openly devious and coy with everyone, but after Jungle Zone, apparently she was only forced into being evil. Then she stops being leader of her own team and becomes part of Xros Heart and she was just a victim of Dark Knightmon. Then Death Generals happens and Yuu gets everything that used to be her’s except for Sparrowmon and Mervamon. It’s really telling when we saw concept art of a huge Digi Xros involving all members of Team XW, Blue Flare, and Twilight, but then it all makes a hard swerve that results in the girl no longer being as major of a character and the important Digimon in Twilight all get attached to a boy who’s now more important to the overall plot instead. Nene got done dirty.
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Mar 22, 2020 03:53
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Nodosaur posted:Yes, that’s right. And by the time toys started disappearing was when we learned that Nene apparently had a little brother and theres an extremely abrupt shift in her character. In earlier episodes she’s openly devious and coy with everyone, but after Jungle Zone, apparently she was only forced into being evil. Then she stops being leader of her own team and becomes part of Xros Heart and she was just a victim of Dark Knightmon. Then Death Generals happens and Yuu gets everything that used to be her’s except for Sparrowmon and Mervamon. Yeah that is definitely something the manga handled better overall even if it technically covered a lot of similar tracks
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Mar 22, 2020 05:12
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The manga turned her into a meat puppet for a monster that possessed her in a disturbing fanservicey way that was overly sexualized No version of Nene was treated well
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Mar 22, 2020 05:56
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Nodosaur posted:The manga turned her into a meat puppet for a monster that possessed her in a disturbing fanservicey way that was overly sexualized The difference is that with the Manga version it's because of her doing a tragic sacrifice which ended up being very important to the plot, while the anime version is just her being sidelined due to them retooling the show due to the merchandise underperforming(which makes it really weird that Xros Wars lasted as long as it had, you would think with all the merchandise failing miserably they would have canned it early instead)
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Mar 22, 2020 06:26
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They wanted to hold onto the time slot more than anything. And yeah, I guess that’s a point in it’s favor, but that doesn’t make what the manga did with her good. The way Nene-Shademon is depicted alone is a huge mark against it.
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Mar 22, 2020 06:31
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Nodosaur posted:They wanted to hold onto the time slot more than anything. Still kinda weird when you consider just how expensive it must have been for them to do both Death Generals and Young Hunters with basically no merchandise to sell, you'd think they would have just ended Xros Wars early and stick reruns in the slot or something And wasn't denying that the Shademon stuff isn't kinda gross, just that storywise if you had to sideline a character like they did with Nene, what they did in the manga was still overall the better route than what the anime did
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Mar 22, 2020 07:10
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Nodosaur posted:They wanted to hold onto the time slot more than anything. Seeing my boy Moon=Millenniummon coiled around a naked prepubescent girl just hurts. The coolest Millenniummon form deserves way better.
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drrockso20 posted:Still kinda weird when you consider just how expensive it must have been for them to do both Death Generals and Young Hunters with basically no merchandise to sell, you'd think they would have just ended Xros Wars early and stick reruns in the slot or something There was probably a contract about having to put new programming in or something; but then XW had a network hop for DG so who knows what fully happened. I think they were just trying to wring as much blood from the stone as possible tbh. No one said Toei was smart.
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Nodosaur posted:The manga turned her into a meat puppet for a monster that possessed her in a disturbing fanservicey way that was overly sexualized It says something about how they treated Nene period that the Manga version is the one with significantly more dignity, agency, personality, and relevance and she's literally possessed for the back half of the series.
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The Bee posted:Seeing my boy Moon=Millenniummon coiled around a naked prepubescent girl just hurts. The coolest Millenniummon form deserves way better. Wait excuse me?!
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Brother Entropy posted:i forget if it was in this thread but i picked up cyber sleuth again from where i left off and man whoever said the female MC gives off big lesbian energy just because they were too lazy to change the script that was obviously written for the male MC was real spot on. all these opportunities to dunk on the boys and let nokia flirt with you It owns.
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Tribladeofchaos posted:Wait excuse me?! Nene is possessed by a Digimon called Shademon. This is depicted by her being completely nude saved for strips of shadow wrapped around parts of her body. When Nene-Shademon Digi Xroses with Millenniummon, it’s depicted as Moon=Millenniummon coiled around her body.
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Mar 22, 2020 19:38
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I used to wonder if I should watch Xros Wars myself and form my own opinion instead of letting the goon hive mind dictate it for me. I uh... I think I’m okay with being a sheep in this case.
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Mar 22, 2020 19:48
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This is from the manga, not the anime
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Mar 22, 2020 19:50
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Not that the anime is good, just. You know. Distinctions
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Mar 22, 2020 19:51
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PMush Perfect posted:I used to wonder if I should watch Xros Wars myself and form my own opinion instead of letting the goon hive mind dictate it for me. Honestly the Shademon stuff is gross, but I still feel the manga is worth reading anyways
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly the Shademon stuff is gross, but I still feel the manga is worth reading anyways Yeah, I'll second this. That thing aside, the manga is well-written and interesting, and I do recommend it...but I can see why that'd make you think otherwise.
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drrockso20 posted:Honestly the Shademon stuff is gross, but I still feel the manga is worth reading anyways The manga is far and away the best iteration of Xros Wars in basically every aspect. Yes, even with the skeevy poo poo. Xros Wars the anime was pretty drat dire.
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Mar 22, 2020 20:56
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As a counterpoint, I found the manga gross and inappropriate as a Digimon story, and it coasts by on throwing out a deluge of nostalgic references. There’s only two things I’d say the manga does better and that’s Bagramon and Taiki’s backstory. Aside from that, neither it or the anime is really worth your time.
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Mar 22, 2020 20:58
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I loving love the Xros Wars anime but Time Hunters can burn in a fire.
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Mar 23, 2020 03:44
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Onmi posted:I loving love the Xros Wars anime but Time Hunters can burn in a fire. It was my first Digimon anime, and while I will admit it's definitely not the strongest of them (Adventure is so goddamn charming, and Tamers has the best writing), I do still on occasion rewatch it when I'm in the mood for something brainless.
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Xros Wars is good. It's not the best, but it has very strong competition. It's very far from the worst, although it has very strong competition there too, sadly. It's probably my choice for a mid-tier Digimon show: fun and mostly well-written, but with some clear flaws that stop it from being among the best. The Xros Wars manga stands above it but also isn't on my "best Digimon" list. This is, of course, not counting Hunters. Hunters is, in my opinion, the single worst anime Digimon's produced. I'll never count it as XS3W no matter what Toei says, it is its own thing and it is a bad thing.
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I forget, was season 1 or 2 of Xros Wars the good one? Trying to figure out where it fits on the odd season good, even season bad trend.
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