SCheeseman posted:

I loved the way BioShock looked and the production values are real nice, but just about everything else felt like a regression.

pentyne posted:

After getting sick of always being gated from going somewhere due to not having repair, hacking, or leverage, I ended up maxing up leverage because I figured forcing doors and moving things would be more helpful.

Holy poo poo I did not realize how effective thrown objects are as a weapon. It almost seems unfair because 1v1 those phantoms just get destroyed by an avalanche of furniture and if I run out of missiles within 5 ft of me, just zap them with a nearly fully upgraded stun gun and go pick up a sofa or a tape deck.

Ravenfood posted:

In general I'll agree but I'll give it credit for its "but thou must" progression being given a diagetic explanation.

Angry Diplomat posted:

Of all the games I've played, Bioshock Infinite is the only one with such a staggeringly lovely storyline that I flatly tell others not to play it before even discussing the gameplay itself. To this very day, I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that a full-blown mainstream gamedev company piled a whole bunch of insanely racist rhetoric and caricatures into their game to make it obvious that the bad guys were bad, only to turn around and unironically try to present the anti-slavery rebels as being "just as bad" or "bad in a different way" or some poo poo. Together with the already somewhat uncomfortably, er, old-fashioned storyline about a poor innocent pure virginal white girl suffering the depredations of evil men, it effectively presented the only black central character as an uncontrollably violent "angry black woman." I had been kind of uneasily giving Infinite the benefit of the doubt right up until that whole plotline's climactic scene, but as soon as that played out my husband and I just kinda looked at each other like, "ah, hmm, well, this is it: this is the bridge too far." Can't even imagine how loving awful it must have been for black folks to play through that poo poo. Infinite could be the most fun shooter ever and it would still be an irredeemably lovely, inexcusably racist game.

Luckily it is also a really lovely shooter, so there's no need for any confusion on that point!

Angry Diplomat posted:

Of all the games I've played, Bioshock Infinite is the only one with such a staggeringly lovely storyline that I flatly tell others not to play it before even discussing the gameplay itself. To this very day, I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that a full-blown mainstream gamedev company piled a whole bunch of insanely racist rhetoric and caricatures into their game to make it obvious that the bad guys were bad, only to turn around and unironically try to present the anti-slavery rebels as being "just as bad" or "bad in a different way" or some poo poo. Together with the already somewhat uncomfortably, er, old-fashioned storyline about a poor innocent pure virginal white girl suffering the depredations of evil men, it effectively presented the only black central character as an uncontrollably violent "angry black woman." I had been kind of uneasily giving Infinite the benefit of the doubt right up until that whole plotline's climactic scene, but as soon as that played out my husband and I just kinda looked at each other like, "ah, hmm, well, this is it: this is the bridge too far." Can't even imagine how loving awful it must have been for black folks to play through that poo poo. Infinite could be the most fun shooter ever and it would still be an irredeemably lovely, inexcusably racist game.

Luckily it is also a really lovely shooter, so there's no need for any confusion on that point!

Feels Villeneuve posted:

I think it was actually the office door code for the Looking Glass office back when SS was being made.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Bioshock Infinite having the rebels go all Reign of Terror didn’t feel weird or wrong to me at all. Like, that’s pretty standard violent uprising type stuff. Hell, most of the goons that complain about that are also the ones that talk about guillotining people for having a condo.

Ugly In The Morning posted:

There’s a hospital near me where the code to get into the EMS room is 0451 and I really want to find the nerd that set that up and tell him I appreciate it.

pentyne posted:

After getting sick of always being gated from going somewhere due to not having repair, hacking, or leverage, I ended up maxing up leverage because I figured forcing doors and moving things would be more helpful.

Holy poo poo I did not realize how effective thrown objects are as a weapon. It almost seems unfair because 1v1 those phantoms just get destroyed by an avalanche of furniture and if I run out of missiles within 5 ft of me, just zap them with a nearly fully upgraded stun gun and go pick up a sofa or a tape deck.

flatluigi posted:

infinite came out exactly at the inflection point of the majority of people not being willing to praise just about any AAA game that came out (both review-wise and games community wise) and the games community getting really loving upset at anyone criticising games for reasons other than how it felt to shoot things

it's a mediocre game with awful politics and if it wasn't Bioshock nobody would've cared (but if it wasn't bioshock it wouldn't have had the budget to do the little it did well so, lol)

_that said_ bioshock 1 is fine and I played it finally recently after the remakes came out (it was the first game I ever bought on steam and my lovely laptop couldn't run it, but I gave it a shot when I got the remaster for free). infinite being terrible doesn't really have any bearing on that, imo

Vorenus posted:

The most shocking part of this post is the fact that you're married.

Angry Diplomat posted:

It's very funny to me when people defend Infinite because, again, even if you don't care about its violently tone-deaf (at best) writing, it's... still not a very good game

OzFactor posted:

Speaking of, [postgame spoilers] do Alex and the crew say something if you do a no-neuromod run? I'm assuming they do, but I don't remember them saying anything like "boy, she sure used a lot of neuromods," just saying whether you leaned Typhon or not.

Angry Diplomat posted:

It's very funny to me when people defend Infinite because, again, even if you don't care about its violently tone-deaf (at best) writing, it's... still not a very good game


I agree, idk why the dude puts up with me. I hardly ever hurl coins or medkits at him and I've never once summoned a racist gatling gun robot to destroy his enemies

pentyne posted:

Because it sold so poorly they abandoned the idea after trying to rope people back in by returning to the underwater city that made the first 2 games actually interesting.

quote:

According to Take-Two Interactive, the game has sold more than 6 million copies as of May 2014, and 11 million a year later.

pentyne posted:

After getting sick of always being gated from going somewhere due to not having repair, hacking, or leverage, I ended up maxing up leverage because I figured forcing doors and moving things would be more helpful.

Holy poo poo I did not realize how effective thrown objects are as a weapon. It almost seems unfair because 1v1 those phantoms just get destroyed by an avalanche of furniture and if I run out of missiles within 5 ft of me, just zap them with a nearly fully upgraded stun gun and go pick up a sofa or a tape deck.

pentyne posted:

Playing on normal

Just saw the first video after getting the zero-g propulsion equipment, heading to trauma center for I assume the pyschoscope

Have leverage, repair 1, suit inventory, dismantle

Only range weapon is the basic pistol, wrench is used as first resort.

I went from being able to handle enemies as needed to 100% unable to kill a teleporting phantom that splits into 2 during combat.

Jan posted:

pentyne posted:

No the DLC plans. Burial at sea was supposed to be a trilogy but they only made 2 episodes.

SCheeseman posted:

Deus Ex is easy as hell, but that's mostly because it's simple to cheese the AI once you understand how it works.

Angry Diplomat posted:

I can't tell whether people are talking about OG Deus Ex or the new one, which I haven't played. I know the original could be vastly easier or harder depending on which augs you pick (always, always, always choose the fast running aug).

SCheeseman posted:

I've gotten through the game without any augs or skills at all (a little save scumming needed now and then though) and it wasn't difficult. I guess my perspective is a little skewed, I've played the game for hundreds of hours at this point. I know where every item and enemy is it's all burned into my brain.

Basic Chunnel posted:

Infinite was good

GUI posted:

I unironically agree with this, the original was a ton of young people's introduction to that type of game back in the day plus Infinite had a decent female following due to the Elizabeth character in a genre that barely cares about women. They're still well regarded titles nowadays, just not generally among the 30+ year old ancient gamer crowd. Infinite had some fun shooting feedback, art design and setpieces and even with its flaws and some unintentional unfortunate writing choices was the swan song of Half-Life style linear first person story driven shooters. There's been titles like the new Wolfenstein titles that approach that since then, but they're not quite the same.