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cosmicjim posted:Have you tried? Debts? No. But you'd be amazed how many refunds for shoddy products I've gotten.
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Khanstant posted:This sort of stuff is beyond me, what do you mean "makes sense" in this context? As far as I can tell, no part of any Federation ship makes much sense. It's clearly not about aerodynamics, it doesn't seem like they're using propulsion or anything, the layouts and interiors of the ships always seem bonkers... Trek starships have fifty years of visual "design language" to them. It doesn't matter that warp physics doesn't actually exist; you can tell just by looking at a ship whether the design "works" or not as a plausible Starfleet vessel, based on what we've already seen. (Or a Romulan ship or Cardassian or anything else that that we've seen enough of to get a feel for their particular aesthetic.) I think the ship design from the finale is... okay? We never really get a good look at them in the episode, and that Trekyards video shows why: the broad strokes are all right, but they look weird from underneath and they're missing some of the features that we expect to see (running lights, phaser strips, etc.). Somebody threw this design together quickly, without a lot of attention to detail. I agree with everyone else that it would have been cooler if there had been any variety at all in the fleet. Sure, include the nifty new pocket battleship, but have some bigger ships too. Maybe a familiar design or two in there -- it's only been 20 years after all and ships last a long time. Maybe even a couple of clunky old Oberths or Mirandas way in the back, just to give us obsessive screenshot-scrutinizing fans something to grin at.
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The ship designs are definitely rushed but they also look completely fine for the (maybe) 20+ seconds of total screentime they have. They only show their warts if you’re scrutinizing a screencap.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The ship designs are definitely rushed but they also look completely fine for the (maybe) 20+ seconds of total screentime they have. They only show their warts if you’re scrutinizing a screencap. I disagree because I thought that scene was ugly as gently caress while watching it. No clear views is a dead giveaway. Why not show off your new ship? This is star trek ffs, we've had like 15 straight minutes of nearly silent starship porn multiple times. This is William T Riker, Captain of USS Ctrl-C The most edgy ship you'll never get to really see. And I've got a whole fleet of Ctrl-Vs at my back, Oh.
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Mar 29, 2020 00:40
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If I'm being honest, I couldn't even see any of the ships when they showed up. I kept looking at the screen but it was so messy and busy that I my brain couldn't focus on anything long enough to pick it out as being a space ship.
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Alchenar posted:The first I think is a problem because the show couldn't decide how important the ex-B's were to the whole 'be nice to minorities' message they wanted the show to have. Yeah, I don't mind not learning every bit of history- i don't even really need to know exactly what chain of events led to the borg cube becoming a research project. It makes sense if the Romulans are devastated that they would be trying to reclaim ex-borg Romulans. What doesn't make sense is having this if the only role of the borg in the story is to have a cube crash into a planet and providing set dressing. But then you're left asking the question why Data is even in the show when he has no relevance to the story being told, either.
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Mar 29, 2020 01:57
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I've never seen a star trek with 200 copy and paste ships. It didn't look impressive, it looked cheap and lame, and they should be ashamed. I would have been way more impressed with 30 romulan ships vs 30 federation ships that had different designs, but these people obviously lack imagination
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Mar 29, 2020 02:10
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I definitely prefer my federation fleets to be varied because it implies incredible specialization and technologies being constantly updated or experimented with
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Mar 29, 2020 02:16
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Alan_Shore posted:I've never seen a star trek with 200 copy and paste ships. It didn't look impressive, it looked cheap and lame, and they should be ashamed. I would have been way more impressed with 30 romulan ships vs 30 federation ships that had different designs, but these people obviously lack imagination That scene would have worked just fine with a single ship on each side.
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Mar 29, 2020 02:18
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Also would have been cool if they'd asked how to pronounce Zheng He.
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The Bloop posted:I disagree because I thought that scene was ugly as gently caress while watching it. There was a time, oh so long ago, when Trek producers and such were proud of the ships their teams designed. But now we're in a new era where tv watchers care about important stuff, 30 minutes after-shows where everyone tells you the stuff they forgot to put in to the episode because they weren't paying attention until the final cut was sent back to them.
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Brawnfire posted:I definitely prefer my federation fleets to be varied because it implies incredible specialization and technologies being constantly updated or experimented with [Cries in Star Trek: Armada]
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I am somebody who can hardly tell the difference between ships, unless they are posted right next to each other, and even I noticed how all the ships were cut-and-pasted in a "something looks off right there" kind of way
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Arglebargle III posted:Also would have been cool if they'd asked how to pronounce Zheng He. nah can’t do that in the low effort lazy tv shows of today not like most of the viewership is going to care anyways with their limited attention spans this whole season seems like was written and phoned in with a high schoolers effort
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Mar 29, 2020 03:01
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Arglebargle III posted:
 It looks kinda like the creatures from Galaxy's Child.
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Where is the deflector? I can forgive a lot of the boring designs are long as it still has bits to it. John Eaves is horrible and they need to get away from him and his style.
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I think it's supposed to be the black grill across the almost-as-black front of the secondary hull. I can kinda see what they were going as far as a phased array which looks more modern than a dish but it's indistinguishable from the hull.
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Mar 29, 2020 04:12
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Lizard Combatant posted:Lol. Wine I'm guessing? Guy loves to drink and Picard's got the good poo poo. Season Two is going to be Picard and crew going planet to planet trying to sell his expensive wine to pay off everyone's debts.
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Maybe I'm just a bad fan, but... I actually like the Curiosity class??? I mean, it's still dumb that Riker showed up with two hundred of them, but I don't think the Curiosity's bad (untextured ventral section aside, but I guess you can say "Oh, that was another Voyager nod.")
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  There's like three different candidates for what might be a main deflector on the model. Also there's no name or registry number. Presumably that would have made copy and paste more difficult? No running lights, no thruster blocks, no phasers, no visible torpedo launchers, no pennants, no paint or indicator lights at all in fact. And of course the issue with the bottom half of the ship.   Here's the model from Picard and a CG model from 1996 for comparison.
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I think it's hilarious that in any other situation, there's only ever one ship near Earth to protect everyone. But Picard sends a message about diplomatic problem, and Starfleet sends 200 of their most powerful ships at the drop of a hat.
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Mar 29, 2020 04:53
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 The two ships in the foreground are less than 100 meters apart lol
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Cojawfee posted:I think it's hilarious that in any other situation, there's only ever one ship near Earth to protect everyone. But Picard sends a message about diplomatic problem, and Starfleet sends 200 of their most powerful ships at the drop of a hat. I guess that's why the Enterprise didn't show up, they're the closest ship to Earth.
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Cojawfee posted:I think it's hilarious that in any other situation, there's only ever one ship near Earth to protect everyone. But Picard sends a message about diplomatic problem, and Starfleet sends 200 of their most powerful ships at the drop of a hat. All right everybody, it's just the protagonist ship standing in the way of the destruction of Earth! [a few series later] haha starship printer go brrrrrrrr
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How do captains know which ship is theirs?
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Cojawfee posted:How do captains know which ship is theirs? You just wave the key fob wildly over your head while mashing the panic button in spacedock.
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Found by somebody in the RLM thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCxAJdCZGg 
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PostNouveau posted:Found by somebody in the RLM thread: They really were emulating Mass Effect.
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PostNouveau posted:Found by somebody in the RLM thread: loving hell. Who's skimming all the money off the top of this show? Cheap sets, human looking aliens with speaking parts only (except the Reptar man), cheap vfx, cast wearing their own wardrobes...
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galenanorth posted:All right everybody, it's just the protagonist ship standing in the way of the destruction of Earth! In a series where the destruction of their main shipyards is a significant plot point.
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PostNouveau posted:Found by somebody in the RLM thread: This poo poo is more entertaining than anything in the show
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Lizard Combatant posted:loving hell. Hey man, each of those stock videos is $79. Why the whole admonition might have cost upwards of $1,000!
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PostNouveau posted:Hey man, each of those stock videos is $79. Why the whole admonition might have cost upwards of $1,000! Lol, they would buy them as individual transactions and not as part of a subscription.
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PostNouveau posted:Found by somebody in the RLM thread: This is flat out embarrassing. Like, shameful.
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I hope the first thing that happens in season 2 is the wannabe Jedi guy gets taken out in phaser vs. edged weapon combat out in the open and replaced by the interesting Romulan lady who lives at Picard’s chateau. He makes zero difference to the plot currently and I’d like him gone before someone decides he should. Then I hope we see a conversation where Riker and Picard have a good laugh that Picard used the purple magic box to create The Picard Kage No Bunshin Maneuver with Riker’s one federation ship because they couldn’t assemble a 200 ship fleet and get there in time. It’s a handwave with a lot of holes in it but that doesn’t seem to be an issue for this show. I refuse to accept any massive ship battle that doesn’t have any variety or at least the Akira class in it.
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CubanMissile posted:I hope the first thing that happens in season 2 is the wannabe Jedi guy gets taken out in phaser vs. edged weapon combat out in the open and replaced by the interesting Romulan lady who lives at Picard’s chateau. He makes zero difference to the plot currently and I’d like him gone before someone decides he should. None of the characters actually made any difference to the plot.
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I agree that having a fleet of identical ships is pretty low-effort and a variety of ships would be cooler. ButArglebargle III posted:There's like three different candidates for what might be a main deflector on the model. Do you really, legitimately, actually care about any of these things? If so, why?
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marktheando posted:I agree that having a fleet of identical ships is pretty low-effort and a variety of ships would be cooler. But Yeah, I don't get it- I don't think the ships look particularly bad or anything, but copy pasting them 200 times doesn't really help them. I think the scene would've been fine with just a few ships, or maybe just one on one. Just show that an actual Romulan warship can shrug off the orchids easily- it'd even make La Sirena's heroics make more sense.
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marktheando posted:I agree that having a fleet of identical ships is pretty low-effort and a variety of ships would be cooler. But I care about all of those things, and I have no idea how you post 5 pages worth of posts in this thread without caring about poo poo like that. What's drawing you to modern trek? The stories?
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