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Lister posted:I do. It has to do with how much effort the creative team puts into crafting the world that they're building. If this were a stand alone IP it wouldn't bother me, but with Star Trek there is a history there that needs to be considered if a series is going to take place in that universe. Either they didn't care enough to pay attention, they didn't have the knowledge/skills/abilities to get it right, or they didn't have the time or budget to do it. Any one of those would effect other things in the show's production and lead to a weak first season. Eventually we'll hear the stories of what happened behind the scenes and understand what happened. See I can get the argument about the look, the design language being maintained but my eyes glaze over when people talk about the technobabble of the positioning of deflectors and poo poo. Lister posted:I see this and then I remember that Discovery had an original ~60 second CGI sequence of molecules coming together when Burnham replicated her uniform. They must have overspent so much on that show and now Picard took the hit. I’m pretty certain spending on one show wouldn’t directly effect the other like that. If the budget on Picard is stretched I bet it’s mainly because of Patrick Stewart’s salary.
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Thom12255 posted:I read somewhere that Trekyards found out that they had just finished the VFX last week for the show. I know CBS Trek has patched in some cgi before (Shuttle in one of the short treks). I wounder if they would/could go back and alter this.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:09
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The weird thing is that it's not even a question of them not having had the CG models for different ships. They did, and showed them at Utopia Planitia right there at the beginning of the series.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:15
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Drone posted:The weird thing is that it's not even a question of them not having had the CG models for different ships. They did, and showed them at Utopia Planitia right there at the beginning of the series. Also if you have one model, why not craft a situation where having a single model makes sense? Say, hey, you know, maybe we don't need 200 ships a side for a space battle. Maybe an intimate, 1 on 1. You could even show the real romulan warship blowing up the orchids easily to show its threat to the settlement.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:30
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I don’t even necessarily dislike the idea of the federation having shitloads of ships of the same class! maybe after the dominion war they realized how hard the Defiant punched above its weight class and designed a ship that’s essentially a bird-of-prey equivalent that’s armed to the teeth, has a crew south of two dozen people, and can be cranked out en masse, it’s just that the execution sucks
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Mar 29, 2020 20:38
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Riker's fleet needed some Defiants, Akiras, Steamrunners, and Sovereigns to go with the Curiosities. Not just because Defiants, Akiras, and Sovereigns are combat beasts. I just think they look cool.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:48
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Kazy posted:Speaking of, where were the Q during the last time the "advanced synths" attacked? You'd think that'd be one of the few things they'd interfere for. That was during the millienium where everyone was The Scarecrow.
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PostNouveau posted:Found by somebody in the RLM thread: Me, a fan and defender of Star Trek: Picard: 
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Me, a fan and defender of Star Trek: Picard: I, meanwhile, am overcome with a profound and earth-shattering sense of "Who gives a poo poo?  "
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Mar 29, 2020 21:51
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Yeah. I disliked the montage sequence because in a programme with too much telling instead of showing it was something that would have been better conveyed through exposition. I don't give the slightest gently caress that they licensed stuff to use in it. It's absolutely no different to using stock footage for aerial shots. It's not like the concept of being lazy as gently caress with stock footage is exactly foreign to Star Trek.
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Mar 29, 2020 21:59
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Yeah. I disliked the montage sequence because in a programme with too much telling instead of showing it was something that would have been better conveyed through exposition. I don't give the slightest gently caress that they licensed stuff to use in it. It's absolutely no different to using stock footage for aerial shots. Let me tell you how irrationally angry I get whenever The Flash uses stock aerial footage of Portland, Oregon to convey that they are in fact in the very real location of Central City, USA and how lazy it was that they just didn't film there instead.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:02
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nine-gear crow posted:Let me tell you how irrationally angry I get whenever The Flash uses stock aerial footage of Portland, Oregon to convey that they are in fact in the very real location of Central City, USA and how lazy it was that they just didn't film there instead. It did bother me that for like four seasons, Leverage pretended that Portland was Boston, and then in the final season they finally moved the setting to Portland because they couldn't fake it anymore.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:09
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Arglebargle III posted:I always enjoy the stage of the thread where people renegotiate the meaning of good.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:13
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nine-gear crow posted:Let me tell you how irrationally angry I get whenever The Flash uses stock aerial footage of Portland, Oregon to convey that they are in fact in the very real location of Central City, USA and how lazy it was that they just didn't film there instead. That really boils my piss!
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Mar 29, 2020 22:18
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If you're going to try and represent a vision that is so horrifying that it causes people to pick up rocks to brutally commit suicide with, or pick up disruptors to blow their own brains out, it may be a good idea to put more care in to it than choosing stock footage of "generic robot touching generic human hand", "generic person aging quickly", "generic robots typing on generic keyboards in a generic void". The entire arc of the season and the motivating force of every character in the show is stemming from that vision and how it influences people who see it, using generic stock footage that fits in a corporate powerpoint is a questionable choice. I'm really not sure why they decided to show it at all, it would take real talent to film something that would really do a vision that powerful justice.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:23
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marktheando posted:I’m pretty certain spending on one show wouldn’t directly effect the other like that. They weren't in production at the same time, so they wouldn't directly. It's impossible to know exactly how much was being paid for what unless there's a leak on accounting documents or someone talks. I'm speculating, but I believe that Disco was expensive enough to make the profit margins pretty thin. The executives in charge might have seen that the expense of Disco isn't worth it and slashed everything for Picard. There was some news that Netflix fronted the bill for the first season or two of Disco in exchange for international distribution rights, so it's possible that they overspent and Netflix just rubber stamped it. Amazon prime has the rights for Picard and they might not have been willing to front as much as Netflix did. I've seen others point to Patrick Stewart as expensive, and I'm sure he did cost more than the other actors, but he's never been an A-list celebrity. I don't think he alone brought down the budget enough to excuse every cheap aspect of the series. I could be wrong though and I do wish that one day we know for sure.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:30
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For all its faults, you have to admit the concept of modern media- the ability to display synced images and sounds in rapid enough succession that it appears to be an actual "happening" moment, is pretty amazing. Gotta give Picard at least a 6.5/10 for that.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:33
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piratepilates posted:If you're going to try and represent a vision that is so horrifying that it causes people to pick up rocks to brutally commit suicide with, or pick up disruptors to blow their own brains out, it may be a good idea to put more care in to it than choosing stock footage of "generic robot touching generic human hand", "generic person aging quickly", "generic robots typing on generic keyboards in a generic void". The entire arc of the season and the motivating force of every character in the show is stemming from that vision and how it influences people who see it, using generic stock footage that fits in a corporate powerpoint is a questionable choice. I mean, it makes sense to use stock footage for things like animals decomposing and genes being spliced or whatever. That's the kind of archival footage that is frequently used in movie or show montages. But the corporate robots... I dunno. In a show about robots it seems like cheating to me somehow. Also, I don't have a problem with them showing the admonition, but they should have kept it rapidly-edited so you couldn't get a good look at anything.
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Mar 29, 2020 22:33
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The mystery box should have been that vision. Don't ever show it to us, just have people describe it and have each person describe it differently to show that it can be interpreted many different ways. Showing us hacked together poo poo that shows that robots go bad and kill everyone and then later having an android watch it and say that it really means that it's the humans that are bad and the robots have secret space snakes that will save them was stupid. Were the snakes the ancients? Or were those just the weapons the ancients would use to kill the organics? How will the androids talk to the snakes to live in robot harmony? The whole thing feels like someone watched The Orville and decided evil robots was a good idea but then did it worse.
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Nerds? In my star trek thread?!
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I mean, it makes sense to use stock footage for things like animals decomposing and genes being spliced or whatever. That's the kind of archival footage that is frequently used in movie or show montages. But the corporate robots... I dunno. In a show about robots it seems like cheating to me somehow. yeah definitely on some of the harder footage to source. the use of the other stock footage in the admonition is like the rest of the show -- questionable, cheap looking, bland, and forgettable aside from the trek namesake.
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piratepilates posted:yeah definitely on some of the harder footage to source. the use of the other stock footage in the admonition is like the rest of the show -- questionable, cheap looking, bland, and forgettable aside from the trek namesake. I mean, it WOULD explain why that lady shot herself.
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Star Trek: Picard - I'm really not sure why they decided to show it at all
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piratepilates posted:If you're going to try and represent a vision that is so horrifying that it causes people to pick up rocks to brutally commit suicide with, or pick up disruptors to blow their own brains out, it may be a good idea to put more care in to it than choosing stock footage of "generic robot touching generic human hand", "generic person aging quickly", "generic robots typing on generic keyboards in a generic void". The entire arc of the season and the motivating force of every character in the show is stemming from that vision and how it influences people who see it, using generic stock footage that fits in a corporate powerpoint is a questionable choice. 
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The stock footage admonition is lazy as gently caress and definitely one of those things better left to viewer imagination, but it’s also less than a minute of total screentime. It’s like the copy+paste Riker fleet; it’s ugly but it gets the point across and the show has much bigger flaws to argue about endlessly until the next season airs, so who gives a poo poo?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The stock footage admonition is lazy as gently caress and definitely one of those things better left to viewer imagination, but it’s also less than a minute of total screentime. It’s like the copy+paste Riker fleet; it’s ugly but it gets the point across and the show has much bigger flaws to argue about endlessly until the next season airs, so who gives a poo poo? I think you're failing to understand how important it is to own those people who enjoy things.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The stock footage admonition is lazy as gently caress and definitely one of those things better left to viewer imagination, but it’s also less than a minute of total screentime. It’s like the copy+paste Riker fleet; it’s ugly but it gets the point across and the show has much bigger flaws to argue about endlessly until the next season airs, so who gives a poo poo? I agree about the admonition. It's not like what we saw was meant to be the entire message anyway, they obviously got more content than we did. I don't agree that the lazy Riker fleet doesn't matter. A bunch of pencil erasers on a sheet of construction paper could "get the point across" but this is a visual storytelling medium and in Trek, the ships have always been important characters.
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Also Sikso poisoned the atmosphere of a possibly populated planet rendering it uninhabitable for generations. Whep.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also Sikso poisoned the atmosphere of a possibly populated planet rendering it uninhabitable for generations. Whep. And orchestrated the assassination of a diplomatic guest to start a war.
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Mar 30, 2020 00:11
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The stock footage admonition is lazy as gently caress and definitely one of those things better left to viewer imagination, but it’s also less than a minute of total screentime. It’s like the copy+paste Riker fleet; it’s ugly but it gets the point across and the show has much bigger flaws to argue about endlessly until the next season airs, so who gives a poo poo? Galaxy brain deflection. "Actually there are much larger problems with this show that's why these flaws don't count and you should stop talking about them."
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Mar 30, 2020 00:19
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Arglebargle III posted:Galaxy brain deflection. "Actually there are much larger problems with this show that's why these flaws don't count and you should stop talking about them." I never said they didn’t count, I implied the posters complaining about it were being pathetically pedantic.
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Ah well should we talk about how the characters from the chateau disappeared or how the Borg cube was pointless, or how bringing data back had no effect on the plot or the synth behavior, or how killing Picard did nothing except getting the writers out of a hole the dug for themselves?
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Mar 30, 2020 00:26
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Arglebargle III posted:Ah well should we talk about how the characters from the chateau disappeared or how the Borg cube was pointless, or how bringing data back had no effect on the plot or the synth behavior, or how killing Picard did nothing except getting the writers out of a hole the dug for themselves? Oh gently caress you got me, I’m completely owned now despite bringing up several of those exact same issues with the show in my own posts.
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Mar 30, 2020 00:29
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It IS ok for something like the borg cube to be "pointless" just world building and a cool set. Shame about the thousands of deaths, though
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Oh gently caress you got me, I’m completely owned now despite bringing up several of those exact same issues with the show in my own posts. I was being serious.
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nine-gear crow posted:I, meanwhile, am overcome with a profound and earth-shattering sense of "Who gives a poo poo? Well, obviously the people making Picard dont.
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Arglebargle III posted:Ah well should we talk about how the characters from the chateau disappeared or how the Borg cube was pointless, or how bringing data back had no effect on the plot or the synth behavior, or how killing Picard did nothing except getting the writers out of a hole the dug for themselves? There's that brief hint in an early episode that he will have a problem with his brain down the road, but there was nothing really set up to indicate that it was an immediate issue until what, Episode 8? 9? It could have been something left for Season 2.
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