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christmas boots posted:I guess the the thing I’m wondering is that if someone really is coming from a place of ignorance and not bad faith, is google actually going to get them the right information or is it—like how YouTube’s algorithm ends up promoting alt-right bullshit—just going to direct them to TERF misinformation? Whereas one time I fell asleep watching Jenny Nicholson review spiders and woke up to Stefan Molyneux talking about modern sexuality thanks to the Youtube algorithm. What I'm saying is never trust an algorithm because they're all nazis.
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Can we stop with this derail and just continue posting about social media idiots please
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https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1244364568484249601?s=20 Remember when playing video games for a living and having a porn star for a girlfriend was an aspirational thing?
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Yeah, I've been seeing that weird idubbz' (sp?) girlfriend "controversy" come up on my timeline all day. As usual, I'm baffled, but I know that this kind of silliness should be expected at this point. Neo-puritanism strikes again I guess.
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Mar 29, 2020 23:00
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cage-free egghead posted:Can we stop with this derail and just continue posting about social media idiots please
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 Warren was his second choice after Bloomberg that's a big yikes from me
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:very Byzantine interactions of gene expression and gestational factors and hormones and, yes, cultural influences, because we live in a society. hey now
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Mar 29, 2020 23:46
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Byzantine posted:hey now
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Did this guy not read the tweet
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CharlestheHammer posted:Thought experiments should be a crime Thought experiments are only as useful as the thinker's mental simulation is accurate. When most of what a person knows about the universe came from movies, TV, video games, and websites about those things, you can toss them a softballs and they'll still get it horribly wrong because the experiment is being carried out in their imaginary world and mental physics engine (which sucks) so you get terrible "what the gently caress were you thinking" ideas
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It's important to understand that things cannot be made better; but they can certainly be made worse if we upset the delicate balance of the circle of billionaires
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You want to buy some toilet paper because you ran out? Sucks to suck. It's certainly not the fault of the people who bought and hoarded all the toilet paper that you can't find any. They deserve to have all the toilet paper, they worked hard for it. Stop criticizing them and their toilet paper hoarding!
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Do not, my poors, become addicted to toilet paper. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!
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Hoarding is good actually, it makes sure that the people who want the toilet paper the most will get it *sells own mother into slavery at the walmart self-checkout while hopping from foot to foot*
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Six-Of-Hearts posted:That's nice. Most of us don't like being used like a search engine, when we're constantly defending our existence as it is from strangers doing that "well i thought i'd just go to the source instead of google" poo poo just to lay down their sick terf logic burns in the next breath. It's loving exhausting. How would you like it? Well I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't mean to offend anyone and I definitely don't agree with TERFs. That's why I said I think their argument that trans people wouldn't exist if we accepted feminine boys or whatever was not valid. And that their argument that it degrades women is not valid. I feel like I am coming at this as an outsider and immediately being branded as a hateful person just because I used a word you didn't like. I didn't know that word was bad. I guess I'll lurk more.
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I didn't say that you personally are a hateful person. I said you were saying the same things, with very similar language as the thousands of bad faith "debates" we have thrown at us hourly.
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:Therein lies the poo poo Pickle—having to constantly figure out whether the questions are genuine or just trying to lure you into a GOTCHA! Because there is a huge amount of stuff carefully crafted to sound reasonable as well as the Brennan/Greer strain of PENIS MAN 41% YOU CAN'T HAAAAVE BABIIIIIES straight-up antagonism. So in case it wasn't clear, my point was that the "do you really need to change" people are assholes. I thought I made that obvious but I guess not. I'm kind of sad that basically it seems that trans people want everyone to have a graduate thesis level of understanding of these issues before they are acceptable to them. That's all I'll say. Again, as I said in my original post, I see myself as pretty ignorant about these issues and I want to learn more. I fee like I did learn from this and I will be more careful not to offend in the future. But I feel like I'm still going to offend people by posting about it at all so I guess I just won't post! Edit also thank you for this post I think I understand better where y'all are coming from and why what I said was offensive. I didn't know that word was bad I swear to god! Dixville has a new favorite as of 02:24 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Dixville posted:Well I'm sorry. I really am. I didn't mean to offend anyone and I definitely don't agree with TERFs. That's why I said I think their argument that trans people wouldn't exist if we accepted feminine boys or whatever was not valid. And that their argument that it degrades women is not valid. I feel like I am coming at this as an outsider and immediately being branded as a hateful person just because I used a word you didn't like. I didn't know that word was bad. I guess I'll lurk more. it's poo poo like this that convinces me that anyone who actually cares will do the work on their own using the enormous resources available and anyone going ~just asking questions~ is too lazy to actually learn anything from that interaction. There's a reason I've gone from "let's just explain things to them!" to "die cis scum suck my dick rear end in a top hat" in attitude over the past few years. Seriously, go back to my 2015-2016 posts and you'll see someone way too nice to cissies. I used to run a queer advocacy group that was entirely about educating people; in terms of pedagogical experience and ability to explain things I'm definately in the 99th percentile even for trans people. I've helped over a dozen people come out. And guess what, years of doing this and still seeing these sorts of weeping whines just fills me with a sense of exhaustion. I saw the same people "asking questions" all the time, but the people who obviously already read up on things almost always became a welcome member of the community. To put it bluntly, we don't need your help in thinking about gender, it's kinda baked into the whole transitioning thing. T-man has a new favorite as of 02:33 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Dixville posted:So in case it wasn't clear, my point was that the "do you really need to change" people are assholes. I thought I made that obvious but I guess not. https://lmgtfy.com/?q=trans+101 e: also lol, we're asking for basic literacy, not grad school stuff. If I actually tried to explain graduate level gender theory itt half the thread's brain would melt like margarine on mercury and the other half has me on ignore.
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Dixville posted:
Holy poo poo. We're giving you an accurate, i guess you'd say inside look at our lives and why this kind of stuff is so grating and you just double down and act like we're bullying you. Queen-Of-Hearts has a new favorite as of 02:34 on Mar 30, 2020 |
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Dixville posted:So in case it wasn't clear, my point was that the "do you really need to change" people are assholes. I thought I made that obvious but I guess not. Maybe I shouldn't have, because now you have gazed upon The Discourse and it has left its mark upon you. Will you ever truly be free of it? Maybe. But no. You're screwed, just like the rest of us.
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i can be ur trans angel or ur trans devil >:)
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T-man posted:https://lmgtfy.com/?q=trans+101 Literally the second result for "trans 101" is some loving feminism blog about gender binary. Do you see where it's actually kinda difficult to just google or whatever? There is a ton of loving bullshit out there. Anyway I hate to continue the derail and I promise I will lurk more. I swear.
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T-man posted:i can be ur trans angel t-man we aren't always on the same page re: when and who to guillotine but I do agree with you and love your posting, just wanted to piss that out there
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If it's okay with you, I'm going to steal the phrase "just going to piss that out there" and get as much use as possible from it.
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Dixville posted:Literally the second result for "trans 101" is some loving feminism blog about gender binary. Do you see where it's actually kinda difficult to just google or whatever? There is a ton of loving bullshit out there. It's an article written by a trans man that isn't Buck Angel or Kalvin Garrah so it's probably alright.
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Six-Of-Hearts posted:Holy poo poo. You're not though. You're yelling at people for using terms they don't fully understand but are legit trying to educate themselves.
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Fatty Crabcakes posted:The everydayfeminism link? Yeah I actually looked at it more closely and you're right, it wasn't what I thought.
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Field Mousepad posted:You're not though. You're yelling at people for using terms they don't fully understand but are legit trying to educate themselves. I think half this thread is based on people using terms they don’t understand
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cisgender people don't have souls change my mind
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CharlestheHammer posted:I think half this thread is based on people using terms they don’t understand Well, now you're just being transcendent.
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T-man posted:cisgender people don't have souls change my mind Not my job.
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Field Mousepad posted:You're not though. You're yelling at people for using terms they don't fully understand but are legit trying to educate themselves. Also, I answered questions so go suck a lemon you friggin ding dong.
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T-man posted:cisgender people don't have souls change my mind no one has a soul because that's a made up thing like biological determinism
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Field Mousepad posted:You're not though. You're yelling at people for using terms they don't fully understand but are legit trying to educate themselves. k this is your third post you make like this during this whole derail and I don't recall user six-of-hearts really taking a tone that could be construed as yelling. T-man posted:cisgender people don't have souls change my mind it's true! i'm a husk! i'm trapped!
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Dixville posted:Literally the second result for "trans 101" is some loving feminism blog about gender binary. Do you see where it's actually kinda difficult to just google or whatever? There is a ton of loving bullshit out there. If this is the Everyday Feminism link, that’s a good piece and their writing about trans issues is in general very solid. Think about why you dismissed it as “loving bullshit” because I think that might help you get to a more informed place on this topic.
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