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Why don't we just have competent people in charge of the CDC and FDA all the time, even when it isn't an emergency?
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Apr 4, 2020 05:21
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Skwirl posted:Why don't we just have competent people in charge of the CDC and FDA all the time, even when it isn't an emergency? Because where else would we put the rich failsons?
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Apr 4, 2020 05:24
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There is so, so much wrong with this, but: lol at pass a basic sanity test. You can draw the hands on a clock, here are the nuclear codes! Oh... oh, wait, hold on...
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Apr 4, 2020 05:28
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https://twitter.com/liveluv707/status/1246220047615393794 Mao was right
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Apr 4, 2020 05:46
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Dixville posted:
Yeah not loving yet you didn't
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Memento posted:Yeah not loving yet you didn't Yeah, that's a great big finger pointed at fate right there.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Because where else would we put the rich failsons? Isn't that what the diplomatic core is for?
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IQ is bullshit & co & co but thanks to the flynn effect I'd expect the smartbrain backups to tend younger. stealth generational warfare via sociological trends
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Apr 4, 2020 06:17
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Dixville posted:
It is mind blowing how utterly unprepared, mentally speaking, people are for this. They all think this is something that's just going to blow over in a week or two and we'll all laugh about it later.
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Apr 4, 2020 06:27
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https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1246051681592320002 Yes, Dawkins, I'm sure "the best immunologist you know" is worried about Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey and a horde of Facebook wine moms over mass human deaths, you utter fuckwit.
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Apr 4, 2020 06:33
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Screaming Idiot posted:https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1246051681592320002 He's not wrong though. If the vaccine ended up being another thalidomide it would give so much ammo to the anti-vaxxers it isn't funny. There is genuine reason to be concerned about this sort of thing. Do not let this distract you from the fact Dawkins is a gibbering idiot.
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Apr 4, 2020 06:38
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Yes, but deaths take precedence. "People might die, and that would be bad publicity!"
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Apr 4, 2020 06:40
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yes, but deaths take precedence. You know what thalidomide did to people, right? Because it killed a lot of babies. I don't think relaxing health and safety regulations is the way to get out of this, man. 
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Apr 4, 2020 07:07
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Midnight Voyager posted:You know what thalidomide did to people, right? Because it killed a lot of babies. Yeah. This is specifically someone saying "we need to check up on this poo poo so that we don't gently caress up an entire generation trying to fix a problem that will suck to ride out but not doom us all". It's not saying it's about publicity. It's saying we can't gently caress this up because it will destroy a lot more than it saves if they get it even a bit wrong.
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Will Dick Dorkins be the first human guinea pig for the untested vaccine? No? Then he should shut his pie hole.
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Screaming Idiot posted:https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1246051681592320002 Yes everyone knows Richard "no one will ever own me" Dawkins is a dipshit but you are vastly underestimating A: The influence and damage anti-vaxxers are capable of and have already done to society thus far. B: The importance of rigorous medical testing.
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For a more topical example of how hosed up things can get if a vaccine goes wrongtwoday posted:yeah, for instance large scale BCG vaccinations took off in 1921 in large part because of the Spanish Flu making everyone very afraid of a TB pandemic. However in 1930 there was an accident in a German lab in Lübeck that led to some bad batch of vaccine being produced and 77 children dying, and then many places in Western Europe stopped doing BCG because they thought it was unsafe. In the meantime, that production error has been fixed and those risks no longer exist, but that's why it was not the policy in the former Axis countries (including Italy and the Netherlands, and Franco's Spain) to use BCG through the 1930's and 40's (and still to this day in those first 2 countries). However after 1945, in the post-war ruins, there began to be an increase in Tuberculosis cases in Germany, and as a result the occupying forces began vaccinating German children in 1946-7. The vaccines in West Germany came from Scandinavia, which had to massively scale up production, and this how BCG-Denmark strain became prominent in the West. In East Germany the Soviets also did a similar program, presumably with BCG-Moscow. The death rate for COVID in East Germany is still significantly lower than in West Germany today, and it is possible that the strain is the reason, as I said in my first post. However, now I think it might also be explained by the fact that the East Germans had a much more thorough vaccination program and booster shots that lasted through 1988-90, whereas in West Germany it was easier to opt out of vaccinations for religious reasons, there were no booster shots, and they ended universal vaccinations in 1975 If you're not following poo poo closely you might not understand it but the BCG vaccine is looking like it is a vaccine against COVID. So a fuckup with a vaccine has, in part, hosed up humanity for a long while.
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Apr 4, 2020 07:38
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Apr 4, 2020 07:48
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Mak0rz posted:Yes everyone knows Richard "no one will ever own me" Dawkins is a dipshit but you are vastly underestimating I, unfortunately since it is Dawkins, agree. He's an unpleasant oval office and I despise him, but anti-vaxxers are worse.
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Samovar posted:I, unfortunately since it is Dawkins, agree. He's an unpleasant oval office and I despise him, but anti-vaxxers are worse. Yeah, no one is on team Dawkins here but broken clocks etc.
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For gently caress's sake, I'm not advocating relaxing safety standards for vaccines, I'm dunking on Dawkins because his made-up conversation put publicity over human lives. EDIT: And also the fact he had to make up a conversation, because we know for a loving fact that if he did have a conversation like that with an immunologist he'd crow their name to anyone who'd hear that He, Big Science Man, spoke with another Big Science Man, about Big Science Things those ((PRIMITIVE THEISTS)) wouldn't understand.
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Inceltown posted:If you're not following poo poo closely you might not understand it but the BCG vaccine is looking like it is a vaccine against COVID. So a fuckup with a vaccine has, in part, hosed up humanity for a long while. Wait, really? Is there any evidence for this?
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Josef bugman posted:Wait, really? Yes, a lot but it's all correlation right now so do not count on it being a thing. It's looking way better than anything else right now though. Some random article about it It's literally the most promising lead we have right now. That doesn't mean it's a sure bet but it's still A THING
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Inceltown posted:If you're not following poo poo closely you might not understand it but the BCG vaccine is looking like it is a vaccine against COVID. So according to your source, when you say "the BCG vaccine is looking like it is a vaccine against COVID", you mean that it might be partially effective, maybe, in a statistical sense, if you data-mine hard enough. Inceltown posted:It's looking way better than anything else right now though. Except for, you know, all the actual vaccine candidates being developed and tested in labs all over the world right now.
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Powered Descent posted:So according to your source, when you say "the BCG vaccine is looking like it is a vaccine against COVID", you mean that it might be partially effective, maybe, in a statistical sense, if you data-mine hard enough. You know how vaccines work right? They don't make you immune they just seriously decrease the chance something is being spread so that it can't go wild. If 100% of the population got a vaccine you would still have people get the disease but their ability to pass it on would be so reduced it would be negligible. Yes, there are a poo poo tonne of vaccines being developed around the world right now and absolutely none of them are safe for mass deployment. The BCG vaccine is and has been for a century. That is huge.
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Inceltown posted:Yes, a lot but it's all correlation right now so do not count on it being a thing. It's looking way better than anything else right now though. Inceltown posted:Yes, there are a poo poo tonne of vaccines being developed around the world right now and absolutely none of them are safe for mass deployment. The BCG vaccine is and has been for a century. That is huge. Huh, that's really interesting. Thank you!
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Picnic Princess posted:Didn't know you could catch lice from coffee, I've never deloused a coffee in my life. Now I gotta start! How do I do it? very carefully also what the gently caress?
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Apr 4, 2020 11:05
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Pff you rubes, the only vaccine I need is JESUS.
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Picnic Princess posted:Didn't know you could catch lice from coffee, I've never deloused a coffee in my life. Now I gotta start! How do I do it? Arsenic?
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Thinky Whale posted:Pff you rubes, the only vaccine I need As an atheist, do I still get holy protection if I eat lots of easter eggs and hot cross buns?
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Stoatbringer posted:As an atheist, do I still get holy protection if I eat lots of easter eggs and hot cross buns? No you need to eat one of those giant chocolate crosses.
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Thinky Whale posted:Pff you rubes, the only vaccine I need "Mr. Ebola, I don't feel so good...."
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OptimusShr posted:No you need to eat one of those giant chocolate crosses. Awesome. 
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