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Apr 6, 2020 19:41
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Holy poo poo. He wrote a passive aggressive memo and then read it aloud to the crew!!! Edit: You almost have to admire the level of idiot self-belief that thinks that's a good idea. 'Ha! He thought as he strode to the microphone. I shall crush these fools who dared to dissent against my superior judgement' I just couldn't ever muster that level of oblivious self-confidence. Deptfordx fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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lmao https://soundcloud.com/paul-szoldra/acting-secnav-modley-criticizing-capt-crozier-to-sailors-onboard-uss-theodore-roosevelt
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Apr 6, 2020 20:31
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battleship potemkin teddy roosevelt
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I'm not an expert on naval traditions and high level leadership. But I'm pretty sure if you're addressing people whose popular CO you just removed, it's best not to call their old CO "stupid" or "naive". Like try not to say anything bad about them if you can possibly help it. Maybe if you feel the need to address them about the matter, just say something like "can't have this stuff going to the media, everyone knows that, rules are rules sorry" and leave it at that. Or launch a quarter-hour profane address where you poo poo on the guy these people were cheering 3 days ago, whose actions they likely see as saving their lives. Maybe that was the right call, idk
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Apr 6, 2020 21:34
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If the captain leaked the letter to the media, that's probably worth retiring him after the crisis is done. You really, really aren't supposed to do that. Doesn't matter if Teddy Roosevelt did it; Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of things. But that's a big if. It assumes facts not in evidence, and is monumentally bad for both PR (which is not critical) and morale (which is). I am one of the most Trump-sympathetic people on this forum, but if I were POTUS I'd be looking for a new Secretary of the Navy and at minimum chewing out my Secretary of Defense.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:20
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Captain von Trapp posted:If the captain leaked the letter to the media, that's probably worth retiring him after the crisis is done. You really, really aren't supposed to do that. Doesn't matter if Teddy Roosevelt did it; Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of things. POTUS should be looking for a new SECNAV anyway because we don't have one.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:21
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Isn’t the reason for all these interim postings so that it doesn’t require senate confirmations and hearings airing out all their dirty laundry and how massively unqualified and cronied up they are? Also makes it easier to just fire them whenever too.
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Captain von Trapp posted:If the captain leaked the letter to the media, that's probably worth retiring him after the crisis is done. You really, really aren't supposed to do that. Doesn't matter if Teddy Roosevelt did it; Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of things. Yeah, how did the letter get to the media anyways? Might have been a good idea to nail that down before shitcanning the captain in front of the entire planet. "Wrote an email with 20 recipients" isn't an offense. It's not anything, depending on who those people were. If he BCC'D a reporter that's one thing. If it was someone in Crozier's chain of command who did it, that's something very different. "Oh he should have known it would leak" bs. If he treated the information like he was supposed to (and no evidence had been presented he didn't) then he did nothing wrong. But let's not be stupid here. He got fired because he wrote something that contradicted the administration's narrative that everything is fine and corona is a big hoax. This administration doesn't give a good goddamn about operational security. I know the Navy does, but his firing was a snap political thing secnav did because he knew Trump was going to demand it anyways. This is on record from secnav and Trump both. There was no investigation, so its results obviously didn't matter.
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Apr 6, 2020 22:58
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Uncle Enzo posted:I'm not an expert on traditions and high level leadership. Neither are the fuckpile of sycophants and flunkies in the administration.
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Apr 6, 2020 23:12
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Captain von Trapp posted:If the captain leaked the letter to the media, that's probably worth retiring him after the crisis is done. You really, really aren't supposed to do that. Doesn't matter if Teddy Roosevelt did it; Teddy Roosevelt did a lot of things. Maybe it's us who should look for a new POTUS instead
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Apr 6, 2020 23:15
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Maybe it's us who should look for a new POTUS instead Unfortunately there aren't likely to be an good candidates on the ballot come November.
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Apr 6, 2020 23:26
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SimonCat posted:Unfortunately there aren't likely to be an good candidates on the ballot come November. Should I vote for the sundowning Boomer who is on the wrong side of history when it comes to race and sexual assault? Or should I vote for the sundowning Silent Gen'er who is on the wrong side of history when it comes to race and sexual assault?
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SimonCat posted:Unfortunately there aren't likely to be an good candidates on the ballot come November. Perhaps we should try without a ballot if things get worse!
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Perhaps we should try without a ballot if things get worse! People in the more excitable corners of the internet like this idea. Historically though, it usually results in a worse government and also everyone involved dies.
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Uncle Enzo posted:Yeah, how did the letter get to the media anyways? Might have been a good idea to nail that down before shitcanning the captain in front of the entire planet. "Wrote an email with 20 recipients" isn't an offense. He sent it out unclassified on an unclassified channel. There's no way this wasn't an intentional leak. Almost certainly because he didn't think there was any other way to get help through proper channels, but he knew full well as soon as he hit send that he might as well have been sending it straight to the papers.
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McNally posted:Should I vote for the sundowning Boomer who is on the wrong side of history when it comes to race and sexual assault? Literally anyone else would be better than what we have.
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Phanatic posted:He sent it out unclassified on an unclassified channel. There's no way this wasn't an intentional leak. I dunno. I realize carriers have plenty of SIPR capacity, but tons of units right now across the military are reporting on COVID-19 impacts to ops/training on unclassified FOUO systems. It is the norm unless explicitly sending up classified USR/DRRS reporting. The tone of his letter is less dry than typical, but the impacts to his mission/Sailors was outsized.
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Phanatic posted:He sent it out unclassified on an unclassified channel. There's no way this wasn't an intentional leak. Almost certainly because he didn't think there was any other way to get help through proper channels, but he knew full well as soon as he hit send that he might as well have been sending it straight to the papers. Agreed. Literally no one in the official channels was willing to help save the lives of his crew, so he knowingly turned to the only people who might be able to in full knowledge of what would ensue. And the official channels are calling him stupid and have fired him.
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Captain von Trapp posted:People in the more excitable corners of the internet like this idea. Historically though, it usually results in a worse government and also everyone involved dies. If it gets to that point, maybe it all goes down like that. But then at least everyone involved doesn't have to suffer all the folks who wouldn't help. 
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Phanatic posted:He sent it out unclassified on an unclassified channel. There's no way this wasn't an intentional leak. Almost certainly because he didn't think there was any other way to get help through proper channels, but he knew full well as soon as he hit send that he might as well have been sending it straight to the papers. Unclassified is very very not synonymous with publicly releasable. Whether the captain intended it or not, it should be perfectly possible to send unclassified without it leaking. That it's not would be a big problem, bigger than him.
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Captain von Trapp posted:Unclassified is very very not synonymous with publicly releasable. Whether the captain intended it or not, it should be perfectly possible to send unclassified without it leaking. That it's not would be a big problem, bigger than him. It's not synonymous with it, but it makes leaking it a hell of a lot more probable and deniable for the person who leaks it. Even slimier about the whole thing is that Modly said that Crozier's sending the letter was okay. "The fact that he wrote the letter to his chain of command to express his concerns would absolutely not result in any type of retaliation." Not 24 hours later, he retaliated. Such a loving dickbag. https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-officer-help-with-coronavirus-on-aircraft-carrier-letter-punishment-2020-4?op=1 Oh, then there's this: https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-crozier-emailed-coronavirus-letter-warning-panicking-2020-4?op=1 quote:Capt. Brett Crozier of the USS Theodore Roosevelt may have been worried that Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, his immediate boss and the commander of the carrier strike group, would not have allowed him to send the warning letter to Navy leaders, according to the top Navy official who fired him as told to a Washington Post columnist.
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And so we're back to the stupidity that is firing an O-6 because he didn't click the FOUO button in outlook.TCD posted:The cruise ship was headed to Curacao no? Curacao is not part of Venezuela.
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Phanatic posted:Oh, then there's this: At this point I'm just playing devil's advocate, but isn't it, uh, frowned upon in the military to do something your commanding officer is probably going to forbid? "Theirs not to reason why, theirs but to do and…" well never mind that last bit.
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llamao https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1247326243307036674 https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/1247326755511304192
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"We need the military vote, goddamnit!" "Fine. I'm sorry I got caught."
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Captain von Trapp posted:At this point I'm just playing devil's advocate, but isn't it, uh, frowned upon in the military to do something your commanding officer is probably going to forbid? It's definitely frowned upon to go over your boss's head.
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TR posted:"MAJOR-GENERAL SHAFTER.
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Godholio posted:
Sorry, this might not have been clear: TCD was replying to my assertion that the cruise liner was heading to a different VZ port than the one the pirates wanted it to dock at.
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https://twitter.com/JournoGeoffZ/status/1247320338070814726 That'll make things better!
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Memento posted:https://twitter.com/JournoGeoffZ/status/1247320338070814726 "I would never throw any of you under the bus" *threw your former CO under the bus not five minutes ago* Like, was he told to say all that poo poo? I can kinda see where he even tried to say the right thing in tooootaly the wrong way; the bit where he attempted to shame the crew about what the sailors ashore were doing to help them. I've heard that kinda poo poo from corporate America said by people who had been in the military, it always comes across as some craven-rear end bullshit. e: I am not, myself, particularly brave when it comes to corporate bullshit. Ignoring it and dealing with the consequences seems to have work out for me. Eh, gently caress it. madeintaipei fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Apr 7, 2020 |
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madeintaipei posted:"I would never throw any of you under the bus" *threw your former CO under the bus not five minutes ago* Guy's down there in the SecNav basement with Josephus Daniels.
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Apropos of nothing, I once worked for a DoD agency that made a terribly unpopular decision that affected workforce pay, with the hardest hit being the newest and lowest paid. A senior leader sent an email to a mailing list that was basically "management-all" about how to break it to the employees during their performance reviews. It said words to the effect of "It's tempting to blame senior leadership, but don't. You must pretend with a straight face that we're right and they're wrong, even if we're plainly contradicting what we told the workforce a few months ago." Except the senior accidentally sent the email to "agency-all". It did not help morale. So free PR advice: they don't have to like you and your decisions, but if they don't trust you, it's a much worse problem.
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Captain von Trapp posted:Apropos of nothing, I once worked for a DoD agency that made a terribly unpopular decision that affected workforce pay, with the hardest hit being the newest and lowest paid. A senior leader sent an email to a mailing list that was basically "management-all" about how to break it to the employees during their performance reviews. It said words to the effect of "It's tempting to blame senior leadership, but don't. You must pretend with a straight face that we're right and they're wrong, even if we're plainly contradicting what we told the workforce a few months ago." There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill
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Captain von Trapp posted:Apropos of nothing, I once worked for a DoD agency that made a terribly unpopular decision that affected workforce pay, with the hardest hit being the newest and lowest paid. A senior leader sent an email to a mailing list that was basically "management-all" about how to break it to the employees during their performance reviews. It said words to the effect of "It's tempting to blame senior leadership, but don't. You must pretend with a straight face that we're right and they're wrong, even if we're plainly contradicting what we told the workforce a few months ago." Nah, man. That is exactly what I was talking about. Bread company implements SAP, poo poo is allllll fuckered up. The entire supply chain was hosed, nothing we could do. We have the regional manager come in and he says to us, all independent contractors, to tell the customers, "I forgot to order what you needed.", "Don't say anything about the company, just eat it." Lol, no. The customers want to hear something, anything, from management and that ain't it. That hosed our relationship with Publix up for years, in Florida (Publix home turf). Spineless assholes up high dodging responsibility they've pushed down to the lowest level. Complete perversion of the Prussian system. It's just bread, no one gives a gently caress. The customers don't like the lying though.
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Big props to the sailor who shouted, "What the gently caress" at Secnav.
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Memento posted:https://twitter.com/JournoGeoffZ/status/1247320338070814726 This is a good way to build loyalty and mutual trust. lol
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Out of historic curiosity, has there ever been a mutiny on a US Navy ship? I’m familiar with a few in the Royal Navy but my USN history isn’t so great.
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