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yeah, ##vote Quidnose at least if I am wrong someone else has to be wrong with me and I can't blow it alone
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##vote quid Dy, if you arent town, well played.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:15
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Hal Incandenza posted:So the only explanation from flips and claims we have seen for there being no kill N1 is Sandwolf's 1-shot jail, and if he used that N1 the only indicator I can see is a few mentions of vague suspicion of Amnistar. Otherwise all he talks about is AA. He certainly didn't jail dy, we know that. Am I missing some other thing that could have stopped a kill? Hal Incandenza posted:If Sandwolf didn't jail someone and stop the kill then the other option is that was when the bomb or whatever was planted instead of doing a kill. That ALSO couldn't be dy, because if he planted a bomb on amnistar then AA would have tracked him unless dy somehow was track immune but that seems incredibly unlikely. Plus unless dy got AA's entire role PM I don't know how he would know to say he didn't get a message that AA visited him. I think for the purposes of this vote you should assumed that I could have planted that bomb had I been scum. Just make the call from behavior. Hal Incandenza posted:So, I think it has to be quid or amni, and if Amni truly is unable to kill tonight I suppose the right vote is Quid, who I have felt was scummy all game. But at this point I feel a lot of evidence is pointing towards Amni too, just hope he truly is blocked from killing tonight.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:23
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Sweet, you guys chose well. This is either a win or we do it all tomorrow. Cross your fingers and hope scum don't have another bomb or something. ##vote Quid 
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Apr 9, 2020 16:25
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Things were tense, as there seemed to be little, if any room for error. With most station operations shut down in the aftermath of Van Der Waals' death, putting the wrong person in suspended animation could leave them without enough hands to keep things from going completely off the rails. Especially if the conspirators killed again. On the other hand, they weren't sure they could afford the time to let Logistics get back up and running. What if there was another bomb? After much debate, it was decided that Dr. Unn Threestars would have to go. He hadn't been very forthcoming with information, nor a major participant at meetings. Furthermore, what had Medical done to stop the virus? The death toll had grown to over 1000, and at this point, it looked like the deaths would only stop once everyone on board the station had caught the virus and was consequently either resistant to further infection, or dead. The scans turned up negative. He'd been trying his best to do his job, even if he hadn't had much success. It was too late to continue deliberations, though, so they agreed they'd all get a few hours of sleep and reconvene. A security detail was dispatched outside each council member's quarters and they slept fitfully, hoping for the best. Fortunately, there were no further deaths that night, aside from those caused by the virus of course. Now things really were down to the wire however. There was a decision to make, and it would surely decide the fate of the station, possibly even the sector. Quidthulhu, Dr. Unn Threestars, Chief of Medical (Town-Aligned Vanilla) has been put in suspended animation D5! If there were any N6 actions, they have been submitted in advance in order to expedite the endgame and the results PMed prior to this post. We can therefore continue immediately. No one died N5. It is now D6!
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Apr 9, 2020 16:53
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Votecount for Day 6 Not Voting (3): Amnistar, dy., Hal IncandenzaWith 3 alive, it's 2 votes to execute. There is currently no deadline set.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:53
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So, it's not dy. ##vote Hal The fact that I wasn't brought into the posse or received a message from AA makes it pretty clear that Hal is lying about who they targetted.
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Apr 9, 2020 16:55
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Well poo poo. I'm bummed one of you didn't fight against my plan harder, I figured that's how I would tell.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:38
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Amnistar posted:The fact that I wasn't brought into the posse or received a message from AA makes it pretty clear that Hal is lying about who they targetted.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:39
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dy. posted:I don't think it was up to Hal though. He was the only member of that squad who wasn't fully trusted. Those guys made their own decisions on what to do with their powers, we all had to submit the same person for the kill though
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Apr 9, 2020 17:47
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dy. posted:I don't think it was up to Hal though. He was the only member of that squad who wasn't fully trusted. Except I'm not in the posse. Which means b- did not target me. Even though hal is claiming that they did. And since you arent the last scum, hal is. Which means that hal lied about who b- targetted.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:48
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Anyway since dy didn't vote me my instinct was right yesterday, ##vote Amni
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Apr 9, 2020 17:48
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Amnistar posted:Except I'm not in the posse. Which means b- did not target me. Even though hal is claiming that they did. And since you arent the last scum, hal is. Which means that hal lied about who b- targetted. So who did b- target then? Not Dy, not quid.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:49
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Amnistar posted:So, it's not dy.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:50
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Hal Incandenza posted:So who did b- target then? Not Dy, not quid. I would assume no one and did the kill for the posse.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:50
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dy. posted:In this scenario, what would the purpose of that lie be? Hal latched onto my assumption that the kill gal performed was the posse kill, making them unable to be scum performing the scum kill.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:51
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Amnistar posted:Hal latched onto my assumption that the kill gal performed was the posse kill, making them unable to be scum performing the scum kill. Sorry for butchering your name constantly Hal. My auto correct does not like it.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:52
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Amnistar posted:I would assume no one and did the kill for the posse. Lol wouldn't b- want me, the claimed vanilla, to do it over the two people with roles that might be useful? Why would he even agree to not have me do it
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Apr 9, 2020 17:52
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Hal Incandenza posted:Lol wouldn't b- want me, the claimed vanilla, to do it over the two people with roles that might be useful? Why would he even agree to not have me do it That was my thinking as well. Except clearly B- didn't target me, like you're claiming was the plan, otherwise I would be in the posse. you would have done a better job claiming that b- targetted someone that died to join the posse, so there was no chance of being caught out.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:55
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Hal Incandenza posted:Amni is your only role miller? That's what you claimed, right? This is me immediately on the start of yesterday trying to see if you were secretly a PGO because I knew they visited you. I didn't outright ask because maybe you were gambitting that scum would try to kill you the next night or something
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Apr 9, 2020 17:59
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Amnistar posted:Scum is either Quid or Dy. And this is me, prior to your post.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:00
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If b- had been able to recruit someone last night and AA hadn't died the posse would have retained a NK. AA could obviously catch the last scum. There is no way those guys would agree that anyone but me would do the posse kill, if I even tried to get out of doing it I would have no logical explanation why As for why you aren't recruited into a posse, I don't know the answer. Maybe the explosion took priority over all actions, who can say? There are more logical answers to that than to anyone but me doing the posse kill
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Apr 9, 2020 18:08
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Hal Incandenza posted:If b- had been able to recruit someone last night and AA hadn't died the posse would have retained a NK. AA could obviously catch the last scum. You clearly have to argue that because you're scum. I don't know *why* B- would have not recruited someone, but it's the only explanation that makes sense.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:12
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Ok if b- was doing the kill why would AA visit the same person to track them? Hmmmmmmm???
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Apr 9, 2020 18:13
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Hal Incandenza posted:Ok if b- was doing the kill why would AA visit the same person to track them? Hmmmmmmm??? Err...I'm not sure that AA and B- visited the same person?
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Apr 9, 2020 18:14
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Amnistar posted:Err...I'm not sure that AA and B- visited the same person? Ah ok so I convinced both of them to visit different people who I had somehow planted bombs on so i could be free to go do the scum NK. I get that you gotta try but hopefully Dy has this figured out
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Apr 9, 2020 18:17
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Hal Incandenza posted:Ah ok so I convinced both of them to visit different people who I had somehow planted bombs on so i could be free to go do the scum NK. Or, alternatively, you placed bombs on people throughout the game, and when it got down to just you left the bombs exploded.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:19
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Honestly not much point in us sniping at each other. We're both going talk about how the other is scum. Dy. if you have any questions I'll be happy to answer.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:22
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Amnistar posted:Or, alternatively, you placed bombs on people throughout the game, and when it got down to just you left the bombs exploded. I will laugh when we find out this is how you did it Also I can't wait to find out if I was right about sandwolf. Maybe a stretch but I think he made those two posts about you because he jailed you and wasn't sure if you were the killer or the target. He doesn't normally make throwaway comments like that with no follow up
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Apr 9, 2020 18:25
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I'm going to look everything over during my work downtime for the next few hours. Will probably be posting questions to you both as I go.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:45
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Hal Incandenza posted:I will laugh when we find out this is how you did it
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Apr 9, 2020 18:47
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So there is a bit more content than I originally thought. Sandwolf actually is suspicious of amni end of D1 This is right at the start of D2, after Amni makes a sorta meh post voting merk Sandwolf posted:hmm, I think it might actually be Amni here.. Then right after the AA thing happened and he never really got back to it other than a couple brief mentions Sandwolf posted:Amnistar also being a little unlike himself here. Usually he's posting a lot and trying to figure out the game. Sandwolf posted:this just isn't... this doesn't even feel like Amni talking, I don't think I've ever seen you make a statement like that as town before voting him. Sandwolf posted:Uhh ##vote amnistar Sandwolf usually makes more complex cases with quotes and things when he is outright scumhunting. I think he was being a little lazy because he knew he had this result as well. I could be wrong, this isn't a smoking gun, it's just something I noticed looking back at what happened to the N1 kill
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Apr 9, 2020 19:03
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Why wouldn't he just hard claim though? He was a 1-shot.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:24
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dy. posted:Why wouldn't he just hard claim though? He was a 1-shot. That's true, although we didn't know that and maybe he wanted to see how it played out. But if he didn't stop the kill with a jail then scum couldn't kill and plant bombs the same night apparently so then Amnistar's theory that I trapped both AA and b- separately can't be true. If that isn't true then there is no explanation why b- and AA would visit the same person the night they died if b- was doing the kill. Amni is in a corner here and trying to find a way it could be possible for me to have killed grandicap instead of him but there really isn't one.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:50
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*shrug* I am trying to figure out how you pulled it off is all.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:53
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Besides, there were 2 bomb deaths and only 1 night without a night kill. Claiming bombs had to be set in place of a kill, doesnt make sense.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:53
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Yeah I keep going back and forth on the bomb thing. I'm back to the theory that AA and b- targeted the same person last night and ran into a trap. It would make sense; with only one scum left AA's track would validate that whoever entered the masonry was town.
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Apr 9, 2020 20:06
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Amnistar posted:Besides, there were 2 bomb deaths and only 1 night without a night kill. Right which is why I think you have some sort of self-trapping ability, it's the only thing that makes sense. If there was one bomb, it can't be me. If there were multiple bombs, then we have to figure out where N1 kill went because scum could kill and plant bombs the same night. That has to be Sandwolf. The only person sandwolf mentions besides dy/aa is you, and he calls you on in his first post of the day.
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Apr 9, 2020 20:07
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Hal could you guys all communicate separately, or did all of the conversation have to go through b-?
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Hal Incandenza posted:If there were multiple bombs, then we have to figure out where N1 kill went because scum could kill and plant bombs the same night. That has to be Sandwolf. The only person sandwolf mentions besides dy/aa is you, and he calls you on in his first post of the day.
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