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mlmp08 posted:Yeah.... he really took his victories in the Civil War and then applied that hard against American Indians. Well, he won didn't he?
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PeterCat posted:Well, he won didn't he? Did you take a pic of your other cat for the re-reg? Brilliance, if so. 
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PeterCat posted:Well, he won didn't he? I dislike this take.
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this ain't Sherman y'all
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madeintaipei posted:Did you take a pic of your other cat for the re-reg? Brilliance, if so. Same cat, but i changed my name since it's Easter.
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William "Tecumseh For Some Reason" Sherman: Problematic Fave
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shame on an IGA posted:this ain't Sherman y'all it's his boss, before he got all fat and presidential
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Phanatic posted:"Many in the acquisitions community question the efficacy of naming a class of ship before the contract is awarded, several Navy officials told USNI News." because ship names are a useful form of political currency
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quote:His 1862 triumphs at Fort Henry and Fort Donelson in western Tennessee won him the nickname “Unconditional Surrender” Grant, and placed him before the public eye. However, when a surprise attack by Confederate forces at the Battle of Shiloh yielded devastating casualties during the first day's fighting, President Abraham Lincoln received several demands for Grant's removal from command. Nevertheless, Lincoln refused, stating, “I can’t spare this man. He fights.” The following day, Grant's Army - bolstered by troops under Maj. Gen. Don Carlos Buell - fended off Confederate advances and ultimately won the day.
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Apr 9, 2020 13:00
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Kind of impressive that comms were fast enough that you could have a political debate based on the first day of a battle. Like the news would have to be generated ("oh poo poo this is bad"), transmitted, disseminated, and then the guys it got disseminated to would have to meet up (maybe in the night or early the next morning) to have the discussion.
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aphid_licker posted:Kind of impressive that comms were fast enough that you could have a political debate based on the first day of a battle. Like the news would have to be generated ("oh poo poo this is bad"), transmitted, disseminated, and then the guys it got disseminated to would have to meet up (maybe in the night or early the next morning) to have the discussion.
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Apr 9, 2020 13:16
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ACW made use of all sorts of new tech. The telegraph was just one of them
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Speaking of navy and dumb bullshit, did you know that US Navy IS dumb bullshit? Here's what an army guy has to say: https://twitter.com/luke_j_obrien/status/1247872817376485378
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Apr 9, 2020 14:42
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McNally posted:That's a really odd description of the Overland Campaign. You have an odd concept of what was achieved in the Overland campaign if you think that it wasn't a successful campaign. I suppose if you blindly use a single metric, casualties, as your yard stick you might, just maybe, have a point. It's not a very useful point though. Prior to the overland campaign Grant won something like a dozen (more?) major battles in a row. Some of them, like the battles leading up to the Vicksburg siege, with just amazing levels of maneuver and insight into his opponents options.
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JcDent posted:Speaking of navy and dumb bullshit, did you know that US Navy IS dumb bullshit? Here's what an army guy has to say: I've seen similar papers by air force officers to claim the Army was unnecessary. It's a variation on the same dumb argument as the USMC is unnecessary.
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I think the point was that the Overland campaign was a series of tactical defeats/draws, but an overall strategic victory. Grant was the one who was able to hold the Army of the Potomac together through some very serious morale setbacks/problems AND maintain Lincoln’s confidence in his abilities.
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aphid_licker posted:Kind of impressive that comms were fast enough that you could have a political debate based on the first day of a battle. Like the news would have to be generated ("oh poo poo this is bad"), transmitted, disseminated, and then the guys it got disseminated to would have to meet up (maybe in the night or early the next morning) to have the discussion. quote:The Confederates had surprised them and won the day, pushing the federals back two miles to Pittsburgh Landing. It was insanity to stay on the west side of the river and face the Rebels again. The only way to save the army was to cross over by riverboats at night in this miserable rain or disaster would come tomorrow, April 7, 1862. Only a madman would stay and fight. Bloody Shiloh: ‘Lick’em tomorrow though!’
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The overland campaign was at first blush a bloody disaster in the papers of the day, but what it really did was cost resources Lee count afford to expend and take away options Lee couldn't afford to lose. It's instructional in how good generals focus on winning wars, not battles.
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JcDent posted:Speaking of navy and dumb bullshit, did you know that US Navy IS dumb bullshit? Here's what an army guy has to say: I don't know when this was written, but recent actual-shooting experience by the USS Mason successfully defending itself from 9 missiles fired in 3 separate attacks kind of contradicts his main argument of "antiship missiles exist, therefore ships are obsolete". Bullets exist, therefore soldiers are obsolete
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https://www.defenseone.com/news/2020/04/the-d-brief-april-09-2020/164486/ china found the best way to neutralize american carrier air power i guess also https://news.usni.org/2020/04/08/navy-leaders-sink-ship-names-proposed-in-secnav-modlys-last-days expunge this man's influence from the system bewbies fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 9, 2020 |
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From reading the wiki, what are the chances that it actually defended itself vs all the missiles fall into the water on their own?
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powderific posted:From reading the wiki, what are the chances that it actually defended itself vs all the missiles fall into the water on their own? We’ll never know
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:I think the ACW is the first war to happen in more or less 'real time' both for the news-consuming public and the politicians/military staff in Washington/Richmond. I'd say that the first war of that sort was the Crimean War. From Wikipedia: After the French extended the telegraph to the coast of the Black Sea in late 1854, the news reached London in two days. When the British laid an underwater cable to the Crimean peninsula in April 1855, news reached London in a few hours. The daily news reports energised public opinion, which brought down the Aberdeen government and carried Lord Palmerston into office as prime minister.
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quote:Sherman dismounted and approached his commander, Maj. Gen. U. S. Grant, who had a cigar in his mouth. Called “Cum” from his cadet days
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That's supposed to be "Cump." W.T. married his step sister, so he was way ahead of the curve.
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Old mate secdefnav or whatever seems like a bit of a wanker but naming a class of ships to encourage naming of ships with emotion (Attack, Revenge, Renown, Gay Viking) sounds pretty good. Although in this day and age, I guess it would also end up with names like "Stand Up Meeting, Inside The Loop and the Doing the Needful"
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Electric Wrigglies posted:Although in this day and age, I guess it would also end up with names like "Stand Up Meeting, Inside The Loop and the Doing the Needful" The USS Leveraged Core Synergies has a good ring to it. Especially when sailing in concert with USS Reprioritized Action Items and USS Key Metrics
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Murgos posted:I like it. USS Per My Previous Email
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Apr 9, 2020 22:28
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Just make a USS Powerpoint and be done with it.
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Murgos posted:You have an odd concept of what was achieved in the Overland campaign if you think that it wasn't a successful campaign. I suppose if you blindly use a single metric, casualties, as your yard stick you might, just maybe, have a point. It's not a very useful point though. I didn't say nor did I mean to imply that the Overland Campaign wasn't successful. I was saying that Grant going from victory to victory in that campaign was an odd way to describe it.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Just make a USS Powerpoint and be done with it. came in here for this one, but i'll throw in USS Concurrent Development
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I've a dumb observation for the thread: boy, America is something else when it comes to force projection, huh? You have carrier battle groups. More Amphibious assault ships than most nations have destroyers. The only air fleet on earth that has enough heavy lift and tanker aircraft for its size. Strategic bombers. And a string of bases around the world. Got a question re those bases, especially those island bases. Are they American exclusive? Do other allies get to use them generally, or is that entirely contingent on America approving of whatever that ally is doing? Does anybody else on earth have a similar network of bases?
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Cyrano4747 posted:Just make a USS Powerpoint and be done with it. USS Power Point nuclear ballistic missile armed boomer with a motto of "USS Power Point and be done with it" is not the worst of the ship name motto combos.
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USS This Is Your New #1 Priority USS Mandatory Diversity Training USS Strategic De-Acquisition
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USS Stupid and USS Naive
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priznat posted:USS Stupid and USS Naive We're brainstorming warship names, not barracks ships.
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Nebakenezzer posted:I've a dumb observation for the thread: As the saying goes (attributable to Churchill?) - There are no eternal friends or eternal enemies, only eternal interests. You let others into your bases based upon that axiom. The US has the most extensive string of bases but most significant powers have bases in areas of interest to them. You can see the cause of some regional conflicts based upon where bases are or being set up.
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USS Let's Everyone Reprioritize USS Conflict Of Interest USS How About We Make Today Your Last Day USS Impending Layoffs USS Right-Sizing Consultant USS Independent Oversight Committee USS Inspectors General USS Well, Actually USS Email Read Receipt
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Murgos posted:I like it. Now this is a Task Force Team Building For Shared Values I can get behind. As long as it visits the new Okinawa Base "Impacted Stakeholders" for the Marines aboard.
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