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Klyith posted:From reddit, this UserChrome.css copypaste will disable the embiggening effect that happens when you focus the megabar. Between this and turning off openViewOnFocus, I'm ok with the new bar. This about :config line from above disabled that for me, you have to restart firefox for it to work: browser.urlbar.update1; set to False
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phosdex posted:This about :config line from above disabled that for me, you have to restart firefox for it to work: Yeah, but that just gives you the old awesomebar. Not the same thing. The browser.urlbar.update1 pref will probably not be available forever, as the awesomebar is another XUL holdover and they're removing those parts bit by bit. In this case I'd rather move to the new thing and bash it into usability, and not rely on an old thing that mozilla is trying to get rid of. Pull the bandaid off quick.
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Apr 8, 2020 16:41
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You say this, relying on UserChrome.css fixes.
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Apr 8, 2020 17:54
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Geemer posted:You say this, relying on UserChrome.css fixes. Userchrome isn't on the list of deprecated stuff to be removed, it's just disabled by default so they can launch 0.2% faster on trash PCs that don't have SSDs. Old XUL UI very much is. And the original change that led to the disable/pref change wasn't even targeted at userchrome, it was for usercontent.css which is way more of an old & barely used feature. (That was how people used to do re-styling of websites before extensions were a thing.) The 6 people who still use usercontent fussed, moz made it a pref and decided to hit both files since performance was the goal. That was a perfectly fine decision. anyways if they did remove userchrome I'd be moving along to something else
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Apr 8, 2020 18:15
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I too am okay with the new bar once 95% of it is reverted.
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Apr 8, 2020 21:00
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Im_Special posted:I too am okay with the new bar once 95% of it is reverted. What's the 5% you like? (I'd be fibbing if I said I wasn't curious!) The expando-thing seems baked in. Am I about to dabble in 'userchrome' for the first time? Edit: Ah, I take that back; a browser restart was required. Fair enough!
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Apr 8, 2020 21:01
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Klyith posted:Yeah, but that just gives you the old awesomebar. Not the same thing. The browser.urlbar.update1 pref will probably not be available forever, as the awesomebar is another XUL holdover and they're removing those parts bit by bit. Ah, I guess I don't really know what changed about the bar except for it getting big on focus and the dropdown appearing. I just made those 2 config changes and that's good enough for me.
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Apr 8, 2020 22:32
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Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? IE: always looks the same, just keep using it Chrome: always looks the same, just keep using it Vivaldi: always looks the same, just keep using it Firefox: Ahh they changed this, now here's an addon/userstyle/whatever to fix it. Repeat with versions 5..6.7..25..26..46..66..75...  I stopped using FF years ago since I got enough of fixing something which worked a week ago. I don't understand why the same spiral keeps still happening.
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Apr 8, 2020 23:11
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Ihmemies posted:Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? Chrome does change stuff around now and then, but with Firefox I think it's developers and product owners either with a lot of corporate freedom or a lot of free time, (depending on how exactly it's funded, I'm not sure) that have Ideas and want to make a mark. I assume there's a whole bunch of fractions, internal civil wars and brokered peace deals leading to "you get that, I get this".
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Apr 8, 2020 23:14
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The only reason I'm not 100% on Vivaldi yet is because it can't handle touch/pen input and there are a few UI changes I don't know how to make yet (tab positions, mostly). The change for the sake of it in FF is awful and having to find addons and tweaks every few major versions got annoying three years ago 
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Apr 8, 2020 23:59
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Ihmemies posted:Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? Mozilla is essentially "Jack and Jill" - a way for the inner circle to get money, travel first class, stay at expensive hotels. And to simulate an actual company they come up with all these redesigns (that some poor idealistic programmer has to implement). They are also very loud about fighting evil companies like Facebook (that don't pay hundreds of millions to be the default search engine). According to awesomebar redesign related bugzilla bug (marked as wontfix), Mozilla has something called "ux experts" By ux they probably mean:
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MikusR posted:According to awesomebar redesign related bugzilla bug (marked as wontfix), Mozilla has something called "ux experts" That explains their Esperanto localization
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Apr 9, 2020 00:25
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Hey I'm some sort of idiot. I have some kind of privacy or tracking blocking on Firefox that is causing a ton of stuff that is driving me nuts. 50% of a random link I click will trigger a security warning, images in many places are blocked (including SA smilies), and some sites are just straight broken shown in pure bb code. I've tried doing things like whitelisting SA forums but I've had no luck. I've also tried changing privacy / security / add on settings and no luck. I'm currently running ublock origin and facebook container. Any idea what's causing this? I'm at my wit's end. I love Firefox and have used it for more than a decade but have never had issues like this.
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Apr 9, 2020 03:04
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Ihmemies posted:Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? 17 years ago, one of the original programmers of Netscape and the guy who might be most responsible for the entire existence of Mozilla/firefox¹ made this very insightful observation about the nature of open source. ¹in that he suggested "hey why don't we open-source the code, at least that way MS can't kill us forever." The only thing that's changed between then and now is that a bunch of big corporations are into open-source in a big way, because they've discovered that as long as your biz model is something other than selling software it's an advantage. But they control their software in the same way that any normal software corp does. They don't do the CADT thing because it's obviously unproductive and they pay people to do the poo poo work. (Also Chrome & IE/Edge change stuff fairly often, just in subtler and less annoying ways. Vivaldi doesn't, but that's because it was made for the sinlge purpose of "be like Opera in 2013", by some people who thought that Opera 2013 was the pinnacle of web browsing.)
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Apr 9, 2020 04:30
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Tom Tucker posted:Hey I'm some sort of idiot. I have some kind of privacy or tracking blocking on Firefox that is causing a ton of stuff that is driving me nuts. 50% of a random link I click will trigger a security warning, images in many places are blocked (including SA smilies), and some sites are just straight broken shown in pure bb code. I've tried doing things like whitelisting SA forums but I've had no luck. I've also tried changing privacy / security / add on settings and no luck. Are Ublock and Facebook Container the only add-ons you're running? Those shouldn't cause that deep of an issue, nor should the built-in Enhance Tracking Protection (which does block Twitter embeds but leaves everything else alone on SA). I'd suggest a methodical approach to track down whatever's causing your issues. Disable your add-ons one by one until the issue goes away and if you disable them all and it's still happening try creating a fresh profile in about :profiles (without the space) and see if that's still affected.
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Apr 9, 2020 05:05
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magimix posted:What's the 5% you like? (I'd be fibbing if I said I wasn't curious!) browser.urlbar.openViewOnFocus browser.urlbar.update1 browser.urlbar.update1.interventions browser.urlbar.update1.searchTips And in other news, a new Windows Scheduled Task added along with a new telemetry collecting program "default-browser-agent.exe" installed with 75.0. Yes, Mozilla people are switching. Ihmemies posted:Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? – "I know better! They just don't understand! People always complain!"
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Apr 9, 2020 07:40
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Im_Special posted:And in other news, a new Windows Scheduled Task added along with a new telemetry collecting program "default-browser-agent.exe" installed with 75.0. Yes, Mozilla people are switching. At least it respects your last-run-Firefox telemetry settings, according to the article. Didn't stop me from setting that registry key and disabling the scheduled tasks, of course.
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Apr 9, 2020 08:59
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Tom Tucker posted:Hey I'm some sort of idiot. I have some kind of privacy or tracking blocking on Firefox that is causing a ton of stuff that is driving me nuts. 50% of a random link I click will trigger a security warning, images in many places are blocked (including SA smilies), and some sites are just straight broken shown in pure bb code. I've tried doing things like whitelisting SA forums but I've had no luck. I've also tried changing privacy / security / add on settings and no luck. It's probably antivirus software you have installed. Are you using Avast, Kaspersky, or other software like that?
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Apr 9, 2020 16:50
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Ihmemies posted:Is there some specific reason why Firefox wants to be so special? People complained when the tab shape and address bar changed on Chrome too. I think a big difference is that there is less to talk about because there are no addons or userstyles to change it back.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:06
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Guess I'll post this here too, maybe its Firefox and there's some config thing I can change? On my mac: If I have a Firefox window open on my main display and have a second window open in fullscreen on my second monitor, the main display while Firefox has focus will hide the menu bar and dock. Safari does not have this same behavior.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:28
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Im_Special posted:And in other news, a new Windows Scheduled Task added along with a new telemetry collecting program "default-browser-agent.exe" installed with 75.0. Yes, Mozilla people are switching. Ugh, why's everyone got to try to be like the big boy businesses and do their own little data-gathering operation. At least they respect my privacy setting, but I bet this is just the start.
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Apr 9, 2020 17:56
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Im_Special posted:I don't like any of it, I reverted the bar back 100%, I was just poking fun at Klyith who said by removing the "embiggening effect" and turning off the "openViewOnFocus" part, he was okay with the new bar. These are the changes to the bar, Klyith had problems with like the two biggest ones. These are all set to false on my end, and I'm still getting the window-wide dropdown. Did I goof something up? And gently caress letting Mozilla run telemetry on my machine. Opting me into one of their shithole 'studies' was already a bridge too far.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:41
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Mr.Radar posted:Are Ublock and Facebook Container the only add-ons you're running? Those shouldn't cause that deep of an issue, nor should the built-in Enhance Tracking Protection (which does block Twitter embeds but leaves everything else alone on SA). I'd suggest a methodical approach to track down whatever's causing your issues. Disable your add-ons one by one until the issue goes away and if you disable them all and it's still happening try creating a fresh profile in about :profiles (without the space) and see if that's still affected. Disabled everything and it still appeared, but a new profile did the trick! Is there any way to "repair" my current profile? I'd rather not lose history / logins / etc.
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Apr 9, 2020 18:58
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Bieeanshee posted:These are all set to false on my end, and I'm still getting the window-wide dropdown. Did I goof something up? You need to restart your browser for "browser.urlbar.update1" to take effect.
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Apr 9, 2020 19:48
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Apr 9, 2020 20:00
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I am quite shocked at how much disdain is being spread around this thread. The new bar is that bad? They are experimenting with ideas and that is horrible? Mozilla is attempting to determine usage of their browser to improve it and hopefully retain users? This is all bad? What are the solutions to these problems? It sounds like Firefox needs to stagnate and never improve the UI. It sounds like Firefox needs to never try to retain users. I personally like the changes. Firefox has never been faster than the 70+ releases. The dev tools have become a dream to use and function very well with the complex JS apps I work on. The awesome-bar changes look great to me and really stand out against the content frames. I can run 1300+ tabs in Firefox with little slow downs.... Is it all bad?
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Apr 9, 2020 20:50
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jink posted:
No, just - fiddling with stuff that's better left alone. This is a problem in lots of software these days , so we're sensitive about it. - adding tracking when they've built part of their brand on being an alternative to and a blocker of tracking.
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Apr 9, 2020 20:58
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I hate how it makes the URL bar bigger, but I can live with that. What I absolutely hate is that when it drops down, the only way I can make it disappear is to press ESC on my keyboard or click within the page content. Clicking on the browser chrome doesn't collapse the window. I have to make sure I'm clicking on the webpage itself and not accidentally clicking a link or something in the process. I just don't want to deal with that crap.
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Apr 9, 2020 21:00
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jink posted:I am quite shocked at how much disdain is being spread around this thread. The new bar is that bad? They are experimenting with ideas and that is horrible? Mozilla is attempting to determine usage of their browser to improve it and hopefully retain users? This is all bad? Yes it is! It covers bookmark bar, the text in it is at least half the width of the old one. Firefox has a method to do tests called Testpilot, but they don't use it. The new Awesomebar was in beta versions of Firefox and people complained and pointed out problems (like it being over bookmarks) but Mozilla ignored it.
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jink posted:I am quite shocked at how much disdain is being spread around this thread. The new bar is that bad? They are experimenting with ideas and that is horrible? Mozilla is attempting to determine usage of their browser to improve it and hopefully retain users? This is all bad? Performance improvements are fine, but there’s no users calling for the basic UI to be radically changed every few months, and in particular, no one calling for it to be more like Chrome in any respect. On the good side, adding PiP video recently is really handy, and performance overall seems fine for me. It feels like Mozilla as an organisation are employing lots more UI designers than they actually need, and are constantly looking for things for them to do. As long as uBlock Origin and Vimium both work fine, I don’t really care about additional extensions. If they want to retain users they should focus more on avoiding issues with user profiles getting corrupted, avoiding issues with their own tracker blocking breaking sites, and getting their new rendering engine ready.
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jink posted:I am quite shocked at how much disdain is being spread around this thread. The new bar is that bad? They are experimenting with ideas and that is horrible? Mozilla is attempting to determine usage of their browser to improve it and hopefully retain users? This is all bad? The disdain is because Mozilla has a history of pushing unpopular decisions despite negative feedback. Experimenting is fine but they need to take that feedback into account, because it is harder to attract new users than retain existing ones. Sometimes you gotta break things, like the Quantum update to get the browser performance competitive again, but while people openly acknowledge leaving Firefox due to performance issues, nobody has ever said they left because the URL bar was lacking. That they are suddenly springing default browser telemetry on us says to me that they have no idea why people are leaving. All they can see is their usage plummet and now they're desperately trying to figure out where the users are going, probably so they can chase features like they've been doing with Chrome for years. And has been said by others in this thread in the past: if you keep changing things to make Firefox identical to Chrome, what's stopping me from switching to Chrome?
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isndl posted:That they are suddenly springing default browser telemetry on us says to me that they have no idea why people are leaving. All they can see is their usage plummet and now they're desperately trying to figure out where the users are going, probably so they can chase features like they've been doing with Chrome for years. And has been said by others in this thread in the past: if you keep changing things to make Firefox identical to Chrome, what's stopping me from switching to Chrome?
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Apr 9, 2020 23:00
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We should hack that telemetry thing and make it send reports that we're all using the previous version of Firefox.
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Bug reports and complaints on random changes and the corresponding "get hosed this is how we'll do it" WONTFIX messages are really all you need to read to see where the browser is going 
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Tom Tucker posted:Disabled everything and it still appeared, but a new profile did the trick! https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/refresh-firefox-reset-add-ons-and-settings
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It's death by a thousand papercuts. I've been reverting stupid UI changes for literally years, because they gently caress with my workflow or look like CSS glitches. I was fine providing performance information when they asked me to, but I wouldn't have known about this if I wasn't reading this thread. If you ask me, I'm much more likely to say 'yes' than if you ask my forgiveness.
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Bieeanshee posted:I was fine providing performance information when they asked me to, but I wouldn't have known about this if I wasn't reading this thread. If you ask me, I'm much more likely to say 'yes' than if you ask my forgiveness.  I turned it all off after this. This was a really dumb decision.
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Apr 10, 2020 01:06
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I would just like to say thank you to this thread because my Firefox updated.
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Im_Special posted:You need to restart your browser for "browser.urlbar.update1" to take effect. I've restarted twice, it's still there. I'm really giving Vivaldi serious thought, now. There's really not a lot keeping me here.
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Bieeanshee posted:I've restarted twice, it's still there. any particular reason you favour specifically vivaldi? not too familiar with it (my backup browser is brave)
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