|
PlasticAutomaton posted:As much of an ethics quandary as this is, what's clear is that Gin probably can't take another shot and Q-Taro is too much of a coward to do the right thing. Meanwhile Fakeo here was designed as a trap to get someone killed, and is not the ten year old that only deserves headpats. That's actually also a good point: Goon Boots posted:And I wonder when the grand prize ticket to the surface will come into play. Q-Taro explicitly had the most traded coins of anyone here, spent a good portion of time staring at the 200 coin machine that probably has the escape ticket in it (assumption, but it makes sense), and tried to give Sara an overly generous trade in a shady manner on the last day. Dude is/was already planning to ditch everyone. It doesn't matter if they could switch midway through the shots, he is never, ever going to press that button.
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 02:36
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 18, 2024 15:58 |
|
|
Gin, you dumb little poo poo, hold your stupid stuffed animal in front of the targeting laser.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 02:44
|
|
|
I'm voting to Push her. Yeah she's alive and that's what makes this an actual decision but there's no way they'd let two Reko's live. And she's a Doll, we've no idea what her body is built like. She could be forcefully controlled at any time as far as we know. It's harsh, but she's too dangerous to be left alive.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 02:58
|
|
|
Veryslightlymad posted:Gin, you dumb little poo poo, hold your stupid stuffed animal in front of the targeting laser. I know the sprites are his usual ones for purposes of showing his mood, but, uh. Gin's kinda got both his arms restrained and is like six feet up in the air strapped to a target. Be nice to the boy.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 02:59
|
|
|
wologar posted:They're all dolls, aren't they? Goon Boots posted:Also this. Mystic Mongol posted:Given that they're all dolls and they've been doing this for centuries, probably, Spare her. I still think those win rates are descriptive and not predictive. The thread seems pretty set on this, but... what's your proof? Your actual, solid evidence? Ranger just confirmed that the Reko here is a doll, who was a replacement from the Room of Lies, but under your current theory, wouldn't that mean she just... replaced another doll, who did have the proper personality tweaks from Alice's murder? It just doesn't line up, if they already had an up-to-date Reko AI, they would have simply used it again for the new body. Unless you'd like to accuse Ranger of lying about not being able to lie. I'm abstaining from voting, because I played before. And caught myself on some dumb corner of logic and ran out of time my first go-around, anyways. Veryslightlymad posted:Gin, you dumb little poo poo, hold your stupid stuffed animal in front of the targeting laser. He can't, it's on the ground and he's being held up crucifixion style, even though he and Q-Taro don't get new talking sprites to reflect that: 
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 02:59
|
|
|
Push her
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:04
|
|
|
I am aware of why Gin can't put the stupid stuffed animal in front of the laser. I just find it funny that Reko gets a special sprite for this scene, but Gin doesn't.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:06
|
|
|
Push. They're just as likely to kill this doll, or the real actual Reko, as not. They also said that fifth stinger was designed to kill a full grown adult so I think there's no way to just rotate the thing and be cheeky and have both people survive. Push the doll and save the real people, even if the doll is almost indistinguishable from real, because if we don't they might pull some cheeky bullshit about "only needing one Reko in the game."
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:07
|
|
|
Oblivion4568238 posted:The thread seems pretty set on this, but... what's your proof? Your actual, solid evidence? Ranger just confirmed that the Reko here is a doll, who was a replacement from the Room of Lies, but under your current theory, wouldn't that mean she just... replaced another doll, who did have the proper personality tweaks from Alice's murder? It just doesn't line up, if they already had an up-to-date Reko AI, they would have simply used it again for the new body. The proof is that they have the technology to completely reproduce humans, and the resources to build the hell tower. If you can do that, why bother running tests with the originals? Combined with the win rates, it just feels more likely they're all fake, not just a few of them. Torture twenty humans to death, nine of which didn't make it out of the first room? What a waste. The kidnappers obviously cared about Sara specifically, and she could have easily died in the first room before they learned or taught her or whatever they're up to. The whole scheme makes more sense if they're being tested repeatedly, over and over, to learn as much as possible about... I dunno. How humans act under extreme stress. Under which conditions people ally with their enemies. Where the yakuza hid all their pirate gold. They have mental health resources available so the subjects complete as many tests as possible, if the contestants weren't replaceable the first room wouldn't have killed so many of them. Oblivion4568238 posted:Unless you'd like to accuse Ranger of lying about not being able to lie. Who's unable to lie? About "important stuff"? C'mon.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:30
|
|
|
Spare her.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:45
|
|
|
Mystic Mongol posted:The proof is that they have the technology to completely reproduce humans, and the resources to build the hell tower. If you can do that, why bother running tests with the originals? Combined with the win rates, it just feels more likely they're all fake, not just a few of them. You raise some good points, but on the other hand this appears to be a once-in-a-lifetime big event, that would only make sense and have weight with real people. I think this is either a bizarre competition to determine the next crime boss, a high stakes gambling event, or an elaborate revenge plot -- in all three cases, the event only matters once the real people are involved. It's quite possible that the masterminds ran simulations of the event, or maybe, maybe full dry runs with dolls, but I think this batch is all real. Look forward to being quoted as totally wrong once all is revealed.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 03:49
|
|
|
Spare her.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:05
|
|
|
im good at trolly problems! PUSH HER SARA DONT WORRY THEY'RE ARENT HUMAN THEYRE ROBOTS
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:19
|
|
|
Push her.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:31
|
|
|
Spare her
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:45
|
|
|
Push her. Gin is definitely a human, this Reko is not.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:46
|
|
|
PUSH HER because it's not about Fake Reko or Real Reko, it's about Fake Reko or Real Gin.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 04:47
|
|
|
push her Why would real Reko punch the Mishima ai? Did he know the kidnapper’s plan to pull a switcheroo and baited her into killing him just so that there would be a mark to prove who the fake was?
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 05:29
|
|
|
I still have doubts about whether or not Gin is an actual participant. We haven't seen his neck yet.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 05:30
|
|
|
Whether or not he is one seems to not matter since they're already willing to kill him. Sure, if the poison is bullshit and he is in on it, that's one thing, but schemes as crazy as this can probably lead to someone on the kidnappers' side willing to throw a teammate under the bus if it was beneficial to them (he could blab, it was funny, etc.) Anyway, it seems like this false Reko is already hosed, so there's no point in me voting.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 05:38
|
|
|
Spare her, she's just as alive as original Reko. Don't do a murder.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:00
|
|
|
Push her. We're gonna be feeling guilty for one dead person on this either way between Gin and Reko I reckon, may as well make it a neutral deficit of one dead Reko and one alive Reko.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:09
|
|
|
Neddy Seagoon posted:one dead Reko and one alive Reko. So, mathematically, it's like she never existed, and therefore we don't have to feel anything about her. 
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:20
|
|
|
I'm gonna go with Spare Her. This fake Reko seems essentially indistinguishable from a regular human, so killing her would be morally equivalent to killing Gin. The real difference is that one would require us to actively commit the act, whereas Gin at least is in the hands of Q-Taro, who despite his behaviour still has the option of either sparing Gin or possibly even saving them both. Either way killing this Reko is a bad look for us.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:21
|
|
|
Eumenides posted:I'm gonna go with Spare Her. This fake Reko seems essentially indistinguishable from a regular human, so killing her would be morally equivalent to killing Gin. The real difference is that one would require us to actively commit the act, whereas Gin at least is in the hands of Q-Taro, who despite his behaviour still has the option of either sparing Gin or possibly even saving them both. Either way killing this Reko is a bad look for us. The point of this exercise is clearly to make us waste time agonizing over killing the Doll-Reko so either Gin or Q-Taro suffer more stings while everyone talks in circles though. We also don't know what other kind of programming she may have, so having a Doll made by the people running this game among the group seems certain to bite them in the rear end down the road simply because they forgot that fact and trusted her.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:26
|
|
|
Gonna go with Spare Her, just based on the logic of this pre-game thing never having needed someone to actually die before; if 5 shots is enough to kill one man, then Q-taro and Gin can swap around. Even if Q-taro is a coward, not pushing Reko means we get time to explain that to Q-taro and hope he'll do the right thing. Also like, this entire thing rides on them managing to plant a fake through the room of lies, and based on how the entire thing could have been foiled if reko just didn't wear gloves, I feel like there has to be a way out of this that doesn't involve murder, even if it's a "fake".
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:36
|
|
|
Ranger is encouraging the other option, so spare her.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 06:52
|
|
|
Insertnamehere31 posted:push her Because he knew Nao would want to keep seeing him in spite of her resolve and he wanted to remove the temptation.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 07:35
|
|
|
Polderjoch posted:Gonna go with Spare Her, just based on the logic of this pre-game thing never having needed someone to actually die before; if 5 shots is enough to kill one man, then Q-taro and Gin can swap around. Even if Q-taro is a coward, not pushing Reko means we get time to explain that to Q-taro and hope he'll do the right thing. It specifically said the fifth one alone would be enough to kill a full grown man, so if we leave it to the stinger someone dies. It's either let a definite person die or kill a maybe person, I don't think there's any cheeky way out of this without something dying it might as well be the robot.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 07:43
|
|
|
Fumbles posted:It specifically said the fifth one alone would be enough to kill a full grown man, so if we leave it to the stinger someone dies. It's either let a definite person die or kill a maybe person, I don't think there's any cheeky way out of this without something dying it might as well be the robot. No, it said that all five would be enough to kill a full-grown man.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 08:07
|
|
|
I don't think the kidnappers, with all the prep time and resources at their disposal along with an apparent desire to watch these people suffer, would allow Q-Taro to just alternate darts with the child who is probably already on his way out unless someone does something soon. Hell, they'd probably have them both die anyway if they tried it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 08:23
|
|
|
Push her. It's awful, and she doesn't deserve it. But Q-taro has repeatedly proven himself too unreliable to even attempt to take the remaining stingers and hope for the best... and maybe his button doesn't even work anymore now that the first stinger's been fired? I can see that happening.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 09:25
|
|
|
Veriun posted:Push her. Don't forget Joe. “Just keep pressing it! The device will be slowed the more you press, and maybe even stop!”
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 09:48
|
|
|
sleeptalker posted:Ranger is encouraging the other option, so spare her. Gonna have to throw my money behind this. Spare her
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 10:58
|
|
|
Push it It's a robot designed to mess with us so that more people die.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 11:23
|
|
|
Akumu posted:Spare her, she's just as alive as original Reko. Don't do a murder.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 12:35
|
|
|
The original Reko is still alive somewhere. If we spare this one, will we have two Rekos running around later? I suspect that whichever way it goes they're going to kill her just to keep things tidy. I'd say I think it's fairer to let her make the decision, but this doll Reko probably won't do the right thing. We've seen so far that the Reko of three years ago wasn't quite as kind as she later grew to be.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 13:56
|
|
|
Push her. This is the trolly problem, but with the choices being "a young child" and "a poor Xerox copy of one of the other players".
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 14:14
|
|
|
Also I have a horrid feeling that if we leave this Reko alive, she's going to kill the real Reko to 'Be the real one'. that's how this usually goes.
|
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 14:40
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 18, 2024 15:58 |
|
|
Having seen both outcomes, push her. e: Okay, okay. LawrenceFriday fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 11, 2020 |
|
#
?
Apr 11, 2020 15:42
|
|
