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Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Final Fantasy doesn't really fail usually. The only real failures in the history of the series are The Spirits Within and FF14 1.0 (and even that may have been a secret blessing since it led to the very successful 2.0, though likely at the cost of many other projects).

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fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:
For the life of me i cant understand the reverence for the FFXV "bros" and their "road trip". They are the latest most one-dimensional characters and the game itself is barely more than a walking simulator

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Walking simulators are good though. Like, Dear Esther is one of my favourite games ever.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

fridge corn posted:

For the life of me i cant understand the reverence for the FFXV "bros" and their "road trip". They are the latest most one-dimensional characters and the game itself is barely more than a walking simulator

Sorry you're a broken empty shell of a human being :shrug:

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
I would go camping with cardboard cutouts IRL if I didn't expect to get strange looks.

RillAkBea
Oct 11, 2008

I just started playing FFXV as a road trip simulator now that outside is banned for the time being.

I haven't played a Final Fantasy since the intro to XIII bored my pants clean off, but I'm enjoying this one so far. Camping, fishing and taking stupid photographs with diner mascots. :3:

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

fridge corn posted:

For the life of me i cant understand the reverence for the FFXV "bros" and their "road trip". They are the latest most one-dimensional characters and the game itself is barely more than a walking simulator

It's a nice slice-of-life thing that rarely comes up in games, and when it does it's usually poorly written. FF15 gets most of its love from excelling in the one quality that makes it unique, and for many that's enough to make up for its other flaws.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Mega64 posted:

It's a nice slice-of-life thing that rarely comes up in games, and when it does it's usually poorly written. FF15 gets most of its love from excelling in the one quality that makes it unique, and for many that's enough to make up for its other flaws.

If the game was a linear 5-10 hour journey without the combat and with some decent character moments it'd be a fine indie experience.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


despite all the things horribly wrong with that game, I will always love it for the relaxing vibes of driving along the coast playing the FFVII theme or the FFIX theme or Sunleth Waterscape on the radio.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

DACK FAYDEN posted:

don't forget her middle name is B'NARGIN for some loving reason, you can't drop that out there

also Doctor Cid in 12 goes by Cid but his full name is Cidolfus, plus Balthier going by an alias thank god because his real name is Ffamran, 12 is clearly the FF with the most not-real names

Remember that Balthier's real middle name is "Mied" AKA: Mid. Because his dad is Cid.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

stev posted:

If the game was a linear 5-10 hour journey without the combat and with some decent character moments it'd be a fine indie experience.

This for sure

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Mega64 posted:

Final Fantasy doesn't really fail usually. The only real failures in the history of the series are The Spirits Within and FF14 1.0 (and even that may have been a secret blessing since it led to the very successful 2.0, though likely at the cost of many other projects).

Yeah, FFXV feels like it's in that FFXII Zone. FFXII did really well in reviews and sales but was it a game people talked about a lot? Not really, at least not in my experience.

You can point to FFXII's and FFXV's success but in terms of "are people still raving about and discussing them on a lot of different forums?" my experience says no.

Which is sad because I like both games.


GreenBuckanneer posted:

There's a FF7 "Remako" mod that's coming out for PC, I'll probably just play that instead.

Where is this? I'd love to play that.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
remako is, i believe, the name of the AI-generated HD pre-rendered backgrounds pack. it's okay but all the straight lines are disturbingly squiggly and any faces have black bleeding eyes and look like they came out of a creepypasta, because learning machines cant recognize faces

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

An exiled prince goes on a road trip with his BFFs before getting married is a remarkably simple and straight to the point story hook for a Final Fantasy game.

I don't know how I would do that for FFXIII. I played through most of it at launch and have no coherent thoughts about what the plot was supposed to be, other than some vague war was happening.

My Hands was a good song though.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Kind of a strange question. What are the musical influences on the FF7 soundtrack? I like a lot of game soundtracks, but the inspiration for them has to come from somewhere, and I don’t really know what bands and composers most influenced things like the battle theme, boss theme, Underneath the Rotting Pizza, etc.

Golden Saucer is obvious (Electric Light Parade from Disneyworld), but the rest, I dunno.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Like most Uematsu gigs it's something in-between Deep Purple, Hawkwind, Miles Davis, and mid century through composed symphonics somewhere around neoclassical or modern/post modern.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Ahahaha, Deep Purple happens to be the band behind Smoke on the Water. Of course. :allears:

I’ll do some investigation into those names...thanks!

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Pollyanna posted:

Kind of a strange question. What are the musical influences on the FF7 soundtrack? I like a lot of game soundtracks, but the inspiration for them has to come from somewhere, and I don’t really know what bands and composers most influenced things like the battle theme, boss theme, Underneath the Rotting Pizza, etc.

Golden Saucer is obvious (Electric Light Parade from Disneyworld), but the rest, I dunno.

Maybe not inspired by the music per se, but the themes are similar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4JqvK3Fwn8

quote:

Lyrically, "Locomotive Breath" was inspired by Anderson's concern regarding overpopulation.[5] He explained, "It was my first song that was perhaps on a topic that would be a little more appropriate to today's world. It was about the runaway train of population growth and capitalism, it was based on those sorts of unstoppable ideas. We’re on this crazy train, we can’t get off it."

Also Aqualung is a spell in the game, so there had to be at least one Jethro Tull fan on the dev team.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Pollyanna posted:

Kind of a strange question. What are the musical influences on the FF7 soundtrack? I like a lot of game soundtracks, but the inspiration for them has to come from somewhere, and I don’t really know what bands and composers most influenced things like the battle theme, boss theme, Underneath the Rotting Pizza, etc.

Golden Saucer is obvious (Electric Light Parade from Disneyworld), but the rest, I dunno.

Uematsu is a massive prog rock guy and it's pretty much his heaviest influence. I think I remember in an interview some time he said his favourite band was Emerson, Lake and Palmer

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Anyone else run into a glitch with the recent FF7 ports where you don't get any items from beating the Fort Condor minigame? Worried it'll gently caress up the huge materia stuff later.
I've found literally two references to it online so I'm guessing it's not very likely.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


fridge corn posted:

Uematsu is a massive prog rock guy and it's pretty much his heaviest influence. I think I remember in an interview some time he said his favourite band was Emerson, Lake and Palmer

:laffo: It even sounds like FF music:


https://youtu.be/fLS0Med0s6E

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Uematsu is 100% into Jethro Tull.

The short list is meant to be a bit pithy so don't take it as the end all. Uematsu is a real deal important modern composer if you ask me and he draws incredibly generally from music he loves like classic rock, prog rock, blues, jazz, and occasionally new wave and modern pop and seamlessly turns it into through or repeating compositions with structure leant from post classical, modern, or post modern composition.

I will continually posit he is one of the first post rock composers.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Yo this music is loving great. I’d totally listen to Uematsu’s playlists if he ever puts some out.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I remember hearing that he wrote most of the FF6 soundtrack after a vacation in Ireland.

Veib
Dec 10, 2007


The retro game podcast Retronauts did an episode on prog rock's influence on video game music, and there's some discussion about Uematsu in it:

https://retronauts.com/article/24/its-retronauts-pocket-episode-1

e: oh right they have a whole episode about Uematsu and Yasunori Mitsuda as well, but I can't remember how much actual prog talk there is in this one

https://retronauts.com/article/160/listen-to-nobuo-uematsu-music-and-to-us-talk-about-nobuo-uematsu-music-its-episode-60-wow

Veib fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 15, 2020

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Pollyanna posted:

:laffo: It even sounds like FF music:


https://youtu.be/fLS0Med0s6E

Oh yeah Dancing Mad is literally just Tarkus lol

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgvXCg1e_T8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbbuaIA3Ds

New Concept Hole
Oct 10, 2012

東方動的

Sakurazuka posted:

Oh yeah Dancing Mad is literally just Tarkus lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw6dHlMJCPw

The music inspired Uematsu, while the cover inspired Metal Max

Hyper Inferno
Jun 11, 2015
Some of the Chocobo themes are pretty obvious references to other songs. Cinco de Chocobo is based off of Take Five and the Chocobo porter theme from FFXIV (Bo-Down) is based off of the Magnificent Seven theme.

And then the bar theme in FFVI is called Johnny C. Bad which took me an embarrassingly long time to link to Johnny B Goode.

Tall Tale Teller
May 20, 2003
Grave? Shovel! Let's go.

Not FF, but every time I listen to the album Close To The Edge by Yes, all I can hear is the music from Gaia’s Navel in Secret of Mana.

I played SoM way before in ever heard Yes.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdV_bzJgRxE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU

Fun fact: this one made the band angry on twitter.

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

the music when you enter don corneos mansion is totally a battle without honor or humanity homage

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

zedprime posted:

The short list is meant to be a bit pithy so don't take it as the end all. Uematsu is a real deal important modern composer if you ask me and he draws incredibly generally from music he loves like classic rock, prog rock, blues, jazz, and occasionally new wave and modern pop and seamlessly turns it into through or repeating compositions with structure leant from post classical, modern, or post modern composition.

and of course we cant forget when he experiments with reggae

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
Hey, was there was recent FF character popularity poll? If so, does anybody remember Zack Fair from Final Fantasy 7 (VII)'s place in it?

Asking for a friend.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



Gologle posted:

Hey, was there was recent FF character popularity poll? If so, does anybody remember Zack Fair from Final Fantasy 7 (VII)'s place in it?

Asking for a friend.

If you mean that NHK poll, he's 10th.


https://www.siliconera.com/japans-favorite-final-fantasy-game-according-to-nhks-grand-poll-is-final-fantasy-x/amp/

Big Bizness
Jun 19, 2019

https://youtu.be/lnGnJWKyBak
FF7 - Still More Fighting

https://youtu.be/5ompcQnfdk0
Motorhead - Jailbait

https://youtu.be/UMvHTlWyxH0
FF7- Anxious Heart

https://youtu.be/HHZCk1lMd7k
Kraftwerk - Spacelab
Start at 0:32

FF6 - Shadows Theme
https://youtu.be/FVDbxFwMyLQ

Percy Faith - The Virginian
https://youtu.be/S423KrdanTM

https://youtu.be/n9lg6iTyWXU
FF1 - Ship Theme

https://youtu.be/NDSBV0vTfTo
Chuck Mangione - Feels so good


To say Uematsu has a lot of inspirations would be putting it very politely :) I still dig his music but he borrows alottttt

morallyobjected
Nov 3, 2012

Big Bizness posted:

I still dig his music but he borrows alottttt

boy do I have something to tell you about all music

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
You can't like steal a melody man. They like exist for everybody to use, it's a legal fact.

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
A lot of musicians steal from other musicians, its a public secret. The real bitches are the ones who either go too far or the ones who actually take action against the minor offenses.

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Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Its not where you take things from, its where you take things to that matters IMO.

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