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Scientastic posted:Although I did add something: I added quotes to back me up and try and convince others, where you were lazy and relied on players checking for themselves. I appreciate the response. I’ve done similar things in the past, and I was basically looking to see if you would respond directly to me or not to help further guide my gut feeling on you. And I agree, the case is better with examples included rather than my description of what he was doing
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merk posted:It's the same overall point against both of you. You are here to make safe reads instead of hunt scum. Which part do you consider the safe read. What I said about Andy/Sci or the case I put forth against E+ ?
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Apr 16, 2020 14:37
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Kloaked00 posted:Which part do you consider the safe read. What I said about Andy/Sci or the case I put forth against E+ ? All of it. Nothing you said in that post matters. You're lightly flinging stuff.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:39
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KK's tone reads pretty scummy. He's acting like town leader in posts but hasn't done anything to really advance discussion.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:40
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Khris Kruel posted:Amnistar, you are now doubling down on your vote for capn andy. That's nice and all, but who else acting around you do you suspect? This is a classic scum move when a player is voting someone you know is town. Appear helpful by asking a question... but really distance yourself from that player's vote on town. It doesn't really look like KK helping a scum buddy because a subsequent post where KK says that Andy is town.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:42
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I think I'm down with this: ##vote KK I would like people to comment on the Mikujin case though.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:42
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...and KK's Jen X "this post screams scum" is performative.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:49
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merk posted:I would like people to comment on the Mikujin case though. It seems reasonable, but I will say what you're finding scummy about him here is very much like what I found scummy about him in Grandi's Cookfia just a couple weeks ago, and he turns out to be Town there. It's only one data point and any other meta reads I have on Miku are years out of date, but it makes me less inclined to believe that "posting thoughts but not pushing for any particular lunch" is a scum tell for him. He's still in my null read pile as a result.
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merk posted:I think I'm down with this: ##vote KK merk posted:Not one of these cases is very sexy, I'm ambivalent about your Mikujin case: I can see the logic, but something about Mik's posts reads as sort of innocent. I don't know, it's a feeling, they just feel like he's trying to catch up on the thread and is posting as he sees it. I don't read an ulterior motive in the tone.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:50
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merk posted:All of it. Nothing you said in that post matters. You're lightly flinging stuff. I’m not expecting to convince you of anything, but I definitely disagree. Andy was a prominent topic of discussion yesterday, and I made a firm read on him though it was based on weak evidence (e.g. a gut call from prior playing experience). I also made a firm read on Sci with reasoning to back it. The case I made was a novel one, and is pretty much the same case you made against Mikuljin and myself. So, by that, you’re lightly flinging stuff as well. If I’m missing the difference, please explain (can’t figure out a way to word that where it’s an honest ask and doesn’t come off as defensive or sarcastic) I guess we just differ on what we think constitutes a effort post
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Apr 16, 2020 14:50
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Kashuno posted:It’s so weird to me reading old players post and being like “wow has the overall meta shifted this much” please elaborate im actually curious lol
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Apr 16, 2020 14:51
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merk posted:KK's tone reads pretty scummy. He's acting like town leader in posts but hasn't done anything to really advance discussion. I don't think KK has made enough posts to conclude "acting like town leader"
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Apr 16, 2020 14:54
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Okay this person has gotten no scrutiny so ##Vote Mr. Humalong honestly this requires very little to do: it's been a bunch since d1 started and he has accused no one, no suspicion, nothing 13 posts and our best gets are Mr. Humalong posted:What do you think it is? in response to Tom asking a question and Mr. Humalong posted:##vote kashuno For kashuno posting 'slap fight' like there is no signal, only noise v scummy
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Apr 16, 2020 14:56
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Scientastic posted:I don't think KK has made enough posts to conclude "acting like town leader" You don't need a lot of posts to have the tone I'm describing. Here are snippets that jumped out to me (almost his whole post history): Khris Kruel posted:points the interrogation lamp light at Amnistar Khris Kruel posted:I find it a very town move to want to move to serious discussion quickly, so glad everyone's racketing up the board. Khris Kruel posted:Amnistar, you are now doubling down on your vote for capn andy. That's nice and all, but who else acting around you do you suspect? Khris Kruel posted:for the record, capnandy and amnistar are reading town to me. Looks like your normal day 1 egos clashing.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:56
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Dexanth posted:Okay this person has gotten no scrutiny so ##Vote Mr. Humalong Yeah, I saw this too. I thought it was weird Humalong voted Kashuno after me when I made no case. Part of me thought I might be right and that's a scum buddy distancing thinking I might have would up to making a claim, but then I thought I was overthinking it.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:57
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Dexanth posted:Okay this person has gotten no scrutiny so ##Vote Mr. Humalong Dislike this. It was clear that the vote on Kash was because Kash implied that both andy and I are town.
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Apr 16, 2020 14:58
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also the KK callout is a good one and I would happily vote there as well but want scrutiny on this guy in the interim
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Apr 16, 2020 14:58
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Amnistar posted:Dislike this. It was clear that the vote on Kash was because Kash implied that both andy and I are town. okay looking at what prompted it you have a point otoh the fact you rush to defend him so fast kind of is also scummy like you know let him defend himself instead of providing defense before they can justify their own actions all he has to do now is go 'oh what amnistar said' and yea, we get no useful info
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Apr 16, 2020 15:00
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Dexanth posted:please elaborate im actually curious lol I can't really it's like..a vibe, I guess
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Apr 16, 2020 15:01
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Kashuno posted:I can't really it's like..a vibe, I guess but i mean vibes have a feel you know, like is it groovy or chill or full of spiders?
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Apr 16, 2020 15:01
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Dexanth posted:okay looking at what prompted it you have a point Err..I am saying you are scummy for jumping on this, not defending them...
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Apr 16, 2020 15:01
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Khris Kruel posted:for the record, capnandy and amnistar are reading town to me. Looks like your normal day 1 egos clashing. KK also implies that Andy and Amnistar are town.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:01
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I feel like KK is probably scum here. The more I think about it, the stronger the feeling comes.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:02
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Because you pulled a vote and removed context.l then called it scummy.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:03
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Yeah, what Amnistar said
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Apr 16, 2020 15:05
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KK's reads are way overblown in confidence for d1:Khris Kruel posted:This screams scum to me. Khris Kruel posted:for the record, capnandy and amnistar are reading town to me. Looks like your normal day 1 egos clashing. KK makes no mention at all of his concern over Amnistar earlier in the day. He also never makes an alignment read during that questioning. Khris Kruel posted:points the interrogation lamp light at Amnistar Khris Kruel posted:I find it highly waffly and scummy to make cases and "feel uneasy" when people agree with your case. Did KK forget that he had this read on Amnistar earlier?
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Apr 16, 2020 15:06
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All, it's KK. I'll put the merk stamp of approval on that vote.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:06
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The only people that call two other posters arguing a “slap fight” are scum or very bad players because it’s an enormous scum tell
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Apr 16, 2020 15:07
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Apr 16, 2020 15:07
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Mr. Humalong posted:The only people that call two other posters arguing a “slap fight” are scum or very bad players because it’s an enormous scum tell When I read Kashuno's other stuff, I felt less confident about my vote. I didn't really think of this point though. I was instead thinking about your making the vote. Hmm.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:08
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merk posted:I feel like KK is probably scum here. The more I think about it, the stronger the feeling comes. Yep, same. Though I focused on the inconsistency in that Jen post as the most concrete thing I can point to, everything about his history sets my spider sense tingling and definitely stronger when I was reading it the second time this morning than the first time yesterday. It's that infallible D1 gut feeling for sure.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:08
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Kashuno posted:lmao Do you think Humalong is town or scum?
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Apr 16, 2020 15:08
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Mr. Humalong posted:Yeah, what Amnistar said I love you hum.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:09
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merk posted:Do you think Humalong is town or scum? Prepare for waffling
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Apr 16, 2020 15:09
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merk posted:Do you think Humalong is town or scum? Their laziness in their posting and their casing, considering how much content there is to analyze, is dumb bad town.
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Apr 16, 2020 15:10
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merk posted:KK's reads are way overblown in confidence for d1: I like this along with the point about his case on Jen. Combine that with that weird roleplay post and yeah, I can dig a KK vote. ##vote KK For reference, I feel good about KK being scum. Slightly less so about Kash. Not super excited about all the people throwing spaghetti at the wall but they’re old players shaking off the rust. Is yuming in this game?
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Kashuno posted:Their laziness in their posting and their casing, considering how much content there is to analyze, is dumb bad town. Lol someone’s offended
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Apr 16, 2020 15:13
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Dexanth posted:but i mean vibes have a feel you know, like is it groovy or chill or full of spiders? It's like a chill vibe
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Apr 16, 2020 15:13
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Also, for anyone on the fence about KK or not really seeing it, there's a strong case to be made for a D1 lunch that can clearly be attributed to one or a small number of players. Often you end up with votes scattered around close to deadline and Townies shuffle around semi-randomly trying to figure out who there's enough support to lunch. That makes it very easy for Scum to get a Town lunch without taking direct responsibility for it. I'm not going to say I'm 100% sure KK's Scum cause it's impossible to be 100% sure. But you've got me and merk here willing to take responsibility for this, plus probably DBD though I don't want to speak for him. Anyway, IMO any lunch where you can say clearly "here are the people who made that happen" is a good one from the perspective of information later in the game. Also, KK will probably turn out to be Scum, so that's also a very good reason to lunch him.
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merk posted:When I read Kashuno's other stuff, I felt less confident about my vote. I didn't really think of this point though. I was instead thinking about your making the vote. I wish search on these dumb forums worked so I could go back and find all the times I've used slapfight or slap fight over the years
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