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TommyGun85 posted:what are Caliban and Cibola references to? Caliban is a character in Shakespeare's Tempest, I don't remember what he did though. Cibola not sure.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Caliban is a character in Shakespeare's Tempest, I don't remember what he did though. Cibola not sure. One of the seven cities of gold
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Apr 17, 2020 18:36
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Isnt cibola something to do with a city of gold or something Edit yeah what he said
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Apr 17, 2020 18:40
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Caliban is a hybrid human/monster. His name has become basically a metonym for "tragic monstrous offspring of parents he loves/hates"
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Apr 17, 2020 18:52
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I'm currently reading Abaddon's Gate and I have to say that the show versions of Ashford and Drummer are sorely missed. Obviously I watched the show forst, but it feels like a gaping hole where these characters should be.
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Apr 17, 2020 20:42
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The show Ashford is so much better than the book version. Maybe the best character revision they've done. I like that they've been willing to alter characters. Amos is basically the same on the page as on screen. Ashford is entirely different.
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Apr 17, 2020 23:26
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Cibola was the Spanish name for the Hawikuh Ruins (different names from different cultures!) and the initial Spanish arrivals were killed by the native Zuni (aha!) and the church built there was repeatedly burned down (whoa!) until eventually the entire settlement was abandoned, the dreams of gold and reality of conflict leading to nothing in the end.
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Apr 17, 2020 23:37
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Sammus posted:Yeah book 4 is weak compared to the rest of them, but not overall terrible. Make sure to read the short stories they've released too, because they definitely add to the overall story. Seriously, what the hell was with book 4? No, Elvi, you just need dick. Makes sense, I need that James Holden dick. No, any dick will do. Look I'm right here.
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Apr 17, 2020 23:37
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Seriously, what the hell was with book 4? Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? Grand Fromage posted:The show Ashford is so much better than the book version. Maybe the best character revision they've done. Im really not feeling book Ashford and whatever amalgamation of characters in place of Drummer. And was Bull cut from the show altogether, I dont remember him? TommyGun85 fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Apr 18, 2020 |
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Apr 18, 2020 00:56
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TommyGun85 posted:Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? It does a little bit better job of showing weird alien poo poo than the show's budget was capable of. Honestly, Elvi's stuff wasn't that bad tbh (it's still the worst part of the book)
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Apr 18, 2020 01:05
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TommyGun85 posted:Im really not feeling book Ashford and whatever amalgamation of characters in place of Drummer. And was Bull cut from the show altogether, I dont remember him? Show Drummer at this point is a combo of Sam, Bull, book Drummer, and I think someone else but I forget. Book Ashford is just a panicky rear end in a top hat and sucks.
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Apr 18, 2020 01:07
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TommyGun85 posted:Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? Theres more weird alien poo poo and more robo miller
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Apr 18, 2020 01:13
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There's also a bunch of stuff in orbit that got cut. It's not a bad book, it's just divisive because it is very different than the rest of the series. But you already know that it's a planet bound space western since you've seen season 4.
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Apr 18, 2020 01:14
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Book 4 is great, read it
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Apr 18, 2020 02:13
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I agree. I think every book has steadily improved as Ty became a better writer and they got better at working together, Leviathan Wakes is the bottom of the series. And that bottom is still pretty fun.
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Apr 18, 2020 02:18
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TommyGun85 posted:Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? There's enough differences between the show and the books that I wouldn't skip any of them if you're reading through.
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Apr 18, 2020 02:32
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The worst book in the series is easily number 6.
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Apr 18, 2020 02:42
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:The worst book in the series is easily number 6. Was that the one with the rebellion on Medina Station? If so then I agree.
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Apr 18, 2020 03:11
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CLAM DOWN posted:Was that the one with the rebellion on Medina Station? If so then I agree. I think that's book seven? Books five and six were the ones that felt like one book, split in two.
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Apr 18, 2020 03:52
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Has this also become the spoiler thread?
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Apr 18, 2020 04:00
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That usually happens between seasons
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Apr 18, 2020 04:56
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Book people just can't keep it in the book thread
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Apr 18, 2020 07:28
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Antimony's Crysalis
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Apr 18, 2020 10:08
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Cojawfee posted:Book people just can't keep it in the book thread It's revenge for the TV people who go to the book threads every so often to tell us that the TV show is better.
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Apr 18, 2020 13:53
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TommyGun85 posted:Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? You can skip it, but you'll be missing out on the "alien lizard that launches its guts at people" plot element, which was cut for budget. Also, the book doesn't make a distinction between Miller and the Investigator. That's kind of a show thing.
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Apr 18, 2020 23:15
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:You can skip it, but you'll be missing out on the "alien lizard that launches its guts at people" plot element, which was cut for budget. Also, the book doesn't make a distinction between Miller and the Investigator. That's kind of a show thing. It's been a hot sec since I read the book but I think it's implied that there is a distinction in the books, the interstitial space magic scenes seemed to be him breaking free
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Apr 19, 2020 02:38
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Sarern posted:It's revenge for the TV people who go to the book threads every so often to tell us that the TV show is better. The books have some neat background details and some things are prohibitively expensive to do in the show (like the weird looking belters), but the books really feel like first draft of the show's story.
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Apr 19, 2020 04:37
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Eiba posted:But the TV show is better. Obviously. Like, does anyone seriously think otherwise? I do, with the exception of book one, but I don't see the need to start internet arguments over it.
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Apr 19, 2020 04:55
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The Books and their show are both great in their own way. Which one is better is kinda of a pointless argument. Yes, there are certain do-overs in the show that are improvements. But the show leaves out entire parts and characters. I would say if you are a show watcher who wants more Expanse, that's waiting for you in the books. I discovered the show midish season 2. Binged through to the current airing and then did the week wait to finish up 2. Then I wanted more. So I started reading the books from the beginning. At that time 6 was out and 7 was eight months away. I enjoyed each one of them, even 4.
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Apr 19, 2020 13:16
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Eiba posted:But the TV show is better. Obviously. Like, does anyone seriously think otherwise? The show is better, by far, for most things, but the awful pacing and SFX design of the first two seasons really fucks the story in a way that the books don't.
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Apr 19, 2020 13:32
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Leviathan Wakes' storytelling is inexplicably weird/bad at points. Well, I say inexplicably, but it's because it's all obviously based on the PBP RPG outline. The show tells the same story in a much more interesting fashion. The worst you lose from the books are, like, some nice character moments that aren't in the series episodes. I'd love to see someone make a case for the books over the TV series but it'd be a difficult argument to make. My Let's Read over in Book Barn is almost done with the first novel, so, now's the time!
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Apr 19, 2020 14:03
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Why would you want one over the other when you can have both?
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Apr 19, 2020 15:42
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SpookyLizard posted:Why would you want one over the other when you can have both? Yuuuuuuup The show isn't better than the books, the books aren't better than the show Except for Ashford, yeah, show Ashford is best Ashford
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Apr 19, 2020 17:08
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Johnny Truant posted:Yuuuuuuup  
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Apr 19, 2020 23:04
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SpookyLizard posted:Why would you want one over the other when you can have both? As enjoyable as the books are, I think the show's doing a better job with the story. As someone who likes the books, I was surprised that there'd be pushback to the idea that the show is an improvement on the books. But I didn't mean to imply one was good and the other was bad, or that you should chose only one of them.
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Apr 20, 2020 00:24
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sorry but they did this man dirty w/ this scene
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Apr 20, 2020 06:15
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TommyGun85 posted:Considering Ive seen Season 4, am I safe to skip Book 4 altogether if its that bad? I wouldn't skip it, just because some of the characters from book 4 show up later in important roles. You've already seen the season so you've been introduced to what Holden describes as "the bullet" which was the weird thing at the end that looked kinda like a mini black hole Those are the only important takeaways in book 4. New characters who are important later, and our first glimpse at the technology/physics-bending-poo poo used by whatever killed the race that built the ring. By all means, read the book. Just because it's the weakest in the series does not mean it's bad.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:45
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I think the books do a much better job of showing both weightlessness/variable gravity and time. The first is obviously budget related but they spend a lot of time talking about zero g safety precautions and operations and it's just kind of matter of fact and a part of life and it's pretty neat. Similarly everything seems like it takes a lot longer in the books and show the sheer size of space way better. The show solar system feels very small. Also, and also budget related, but both the power armor and the belter physique are better in the book. So from an overall general worldbuilding feeling, I think the book does it better, but the show does some things wonderfully and better than the book too.
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Apr 20, 2020 13:42
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Books are an artistic expression of a small number of people, namely the writer(s). It is a more pure form of expression. Film is an artistic expression by a great many more people, and so all those individual artists attempt to bring something of their own to the table. And that means a bunch of highly experienced character actors have an opportunity to run roughshod over every scene they are cast in.
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They time consuming nature of space travel works well in book form. you can make a tense story about ships hurtling through the black across miles upon miles of distance wheree youve got weeks to go out running the bad guys to friendly territory in a book. it doesnt translate well to TV. they could use some little 8 weeks later cards or whatever but i think it would distract the audiences who arent as familiar with the travel times.
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