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The Atreides are in good guy colors from a Bedouin perspective.
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Re-timed color photos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oauF0jXcAq8 Mmmmmmmm that's good Dune colors.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 07:03 |
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Someone please add mattresses to the background of every shot.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 07:19 |
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I seriously love Liet Kynes. Although I do still wish to see Jodo as the insane father vision.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 07:35 |
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Neo Rasa posted:I mean yeah no poo poo but I'm talking about how the characters are dressed and what Herbert has that say about them or not in the book. There's also the great bit where Leto is talking about how spice-plastic is really good for film stock, and that propoganda is really important to make sure everybody knows how caring and just the Atreides are. And how the constant low level of spice in the food prevents them from putting drugs or poison in the water supply. He jokes how Arrakis keeps them honest and noble. Or at least, you really hope that he's joking. It reminds me of one of the Culture books. One of the Minds (super powerful friendly AIs running the show) uncovers a potential evil conspiracy by other Minds, and goes into a complete meltdown at the idea that the only reason Minds are fun-loving omnibenovelant super-friends is because it works. They've never needed to be otherwise. Their morals might be entirely pragmatic, which makes them almost worthless.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 12:21 |
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There's that great line where Duke Leto tells Paul something like, "our propaganda corps are among the best." I don't think he's drinking his own Kool-Aid with regard to Yueh, though. No one gets what's going on with Yueh because everyone believes that Suk conditioning is absolute. Even the Baron's goons are surprised that he was able to turn Yueh, and they go on to spread the story that Yueh was a fraud and fake Suk doctor in part because that's more believable than someone figuring out a way to break Suk conditioning.
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ferbert posted:Paul recognized the death thoughts in his father's words, spoke quickly: "Nothing's going to happen to you, sir. The - "
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 16:40 |
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Duke Leto: "lol good luck trying to break Suk Imperial Conditioning, it's impossible!" *Piter de Vries tortures Yueh's wife which breaks him easily* Duke Leto: "Ah! Well. Nevertheless,"
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 16:41 |
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Don't you mean "Ahhhhhhh-h-h-h-h"?
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 17:32 |
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PeterWeller posted:There's that great line where Duke Leto tells Paul something like, "our propaganda corps are among the best." I don't know, I feel like he does to an extent. NO ONE CAN BREAK THE SUK CONDITIONING! Meanwhile look at the reputation the Fremen have at the beginning of the book and how easily he and Duncan make inroads with them. With Yueh breaking so fast, to me "Suk conditioning is absolute" is itself some bullshit propaganda. So I think it's the opposite, they spread the word with the mindset that no REAL Suk doctor would do that. Like by the time they actually get there I think it's more that he's just tired of the life and lets his guard down a bit more than he might normally. He seems to realize a lot of this all at once IIRC. EDIT: e;fb Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 17, 2020 |
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Neo Rasa posted:I don't know, I feel like he does to an extent. NO ONE CAN BREAK THE SUK CONDITIONING! Meanwhile look at the reputation the Fremen have at the beginning of the book and how easily he and Duncan make inroads with them. With Yueh breaking so fast, to me "Suk conditioning is absolute" is itself some bullshit propaganda. So I think it's the opposite, they spread the word with the mindset that no REAL Suk doctor would do that. Like by the time they actually get there I think it's more that he's just tired of the life and lets his guard down a bit more than he might normally. He seems to realize a lot of this all at once IIRC. Yeah, it's fair to say that Suk conditioning may be as much a myth as everything else. That's not the same, though, as Duke Leto buying into his own propaganda. But I don't think it's fair to say Yueh broke quickly. I get the impression that Piter had been working on him for a while. And he didn't break the way Piter expected. Yueh doesn't betray the Atreides to save Wanna. He's almost certain she's already dead. He betrays the Atreides to turn them into the vehicles for his vengeance against the Baron and Piter for torturing and killing Wanna. He gives Duke Leto the tooth. He gives Paul and Jessica the equipment they need to survive the desert and meet the Fremen. And there's a sense that he's motivated by the same fatalism that has struck Duke Leto. "You were dead anyway, my poor Duke," he says. And yeah, the lie they spread about Yueh serves to protect the Suk school's interests as much as it serves the Baron's. And also yeah, Duke Leto is definitely tired and letting his guard down. He's clearly aware that he's walking into a trap and is resigned to his death.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 20:48 |
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Kull wahad!
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 21:06 |
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100% HUMAN
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 21:11 |
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Another nice Baron moment: "christ, feyd. Stop trying to off me for one second and consider all of this is all for you" That and head-baron didn't really seem that bad to have on tap, if you were already half-gone anyway.
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There's also this bit when Leto first appears in the book and he almost gives a standard pep talk to Paul before catching himself:quote:The Duke forced himself to the casual gesture, sat down on a corner of the table, smiled. A whole pattern of conversation welled up in his mind -- the kind of thing he might use to dispel the vapors in his men before a battle. The pattern froze before it could be vocalized, confronted by the single thought: This is my son.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 21:36 |
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Yeah Leto Paul and Leto II all kinda go through similar arcs in like "wait power and majesty kinda suck let me off the ride" but only Leto II has the means and the will to break the system over his knee. Uh, worm-hump.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 21:41 |
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The book gave me the impression that the Baron's plot wouldn't have worked on the Duke Leto and his Master of Assassins of like 10 years earlier, but both guys are clearly not on their A games anymore. Leto is starting to buckle under the weight of his responsibility and Hawat is maybe just getting too old for this poo poo. So the Duke is fatalistically going through the motions while suspecting it's all hosed, while the Mentat Master of Assassins and all-around genius badass devious motherfucker is starting to get panicky about how he's lost his edge in his old age just as poo poo's getting real. Meanwhile Paul is primed to pick up the slack... in the long term, but not really in time for the crisis because his dad's still having to explain basic realpolitik poo poo to him.
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Kassad posted:There's also this bit when Leto first appears in the book and he almost gives a standard pep talk to Paul before catching himself: That part is also fodder for one of the best running jokes in National Lampoon's Doon where characters keep noting their relation to other characters like it's some profound revelation.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 23:34 |
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The exact same images now in hot hot HD in case you wanted to make sure that Jason Momoa didn't have a thin veneer of stubble on his babyface.
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I also took a crack at grading one of the (non HD! ) promo images. Tried to clean up the digital noise in the original and cropped to a more typical film ratio.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 00:46 |
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I'm still not entirely sold on Momoa. Dude's hot. But he needs to be "So hot women cum just by watching him scale a cliff" hot.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 02:10 |
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Tim Blake Nelson was apparently double-booked but was the first choice for sexiest Duncan
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 02:40 |
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i'm really afraid of the changes they're making to this adaptation. like how they're changing baron harkonnen from a madman spice addict to a more calculated bond-style villain. but that could work out okay all things considered. i guess what i'm really worried about is the media completely boycotting this film and making the studio give up on producing the second part. i can already see the reviews "3/10 this is nazi propaganda, everyone is fighting for a drug to turn their eyes blue and their hair yellow!!" i really hope that this doesn't happen. but this franchise is cursed (if u don't know a dune film was worked on during the 70s but all the special effects people went to work on star wars instead).
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 02:42 |
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David D. Davidson posted:I'm still not entirely sold on Momoa. He's there.
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wizardofloneliness posted:He's there. He very much is.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 03:06 |
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David D. Davidson posted:I'm still not entirely sold on Momoa. I mean, I'm not really sure who you could pick who would be better for that than Momoa. Maybe Idris Elba?
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Yeah, uh, you’ve never talked to a woman about Jason Momoa if you don’t think the dude crossed the “spontaneous women’s orgasm” hotness threshold a long, long time ago. I remember mentioning to a friend that “well Momoa shows his butt” in that lovely rear end Conan remake and she instantly responded with “I’m seeing this movie ASAP and I don’t give a poo poo how bad the rest of it is” Michael Fassbender has a similar effect, when I went and saw Shame with my friends the only other people in the theater were three college-age women who explicitly mentioned they were there to see the Little Fassbender on a big screen They were... in a less jolly mood when the movie finished
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DAD NO posted:i'm really afraid of the changes they're making to this adaptation. like how they're changing baron harkonnen from a madman spice addict to a more calculated bond-style villain. but that could work out okay all things considered. "Madman spice addict" isn't really a fitting description on the Baron. He was only really a madman in the Lynch version.
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davidspackage posted:"Madman spice addict" isn't really a fitting description on the Baron. He was only really a madman in the Lynch version. Yeah, in the books he’s always going on about intricate “plans within plans,” disdains others for less than shrewd indulgences, and what little “craziness” he does exhibit is a ruse to distract from his actual intentions. He’s very much a meticulously plotting mastermind in the novel. He indulges his sadism a bit too much when he captures Leto, but otherwise is always very aware and calculating. A lot of the early criticism I’m reading seems to be from people forming their ideas of Dune either from Lynch and Jodorowsky’s designs or the cookiness of the later books. But the first two books are a lot more grounded and the few visual descriptions they give tend to be very austere. Halls carved of stone, structures impressive for their size rather than ornamentation. This brutalist take seems fitting. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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DAD NO posted:i'm really afraid of the changes they're making to this adaptation. like how they're changing baron harkonnen from a madman spice addict to a more calculated bond-style villain. but that could work out okay all things considered. Where is this coming from
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 10:19 |
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Would alexander skarsgaard work as feyd rautha?
vuk83 fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Apr 19, 2020 |
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DAD NO posted:i can already see the reviews "3/10 this is nazi propaganda, everyone is fighting for a drug to turn their eyes blue and their hair yellow!!" Stared at this for a full minute and have no idea what it means. It’s both weirdly wrong about Dune and weirdly wrong about Nazism
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 14:52 |
vuk83 posted:Would alexander skarsgaard work as feyd rautha? I'd prefer Bill tbh
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 18:51 |
Jewmanji posted:Stared at this for a full minute and have no idea what it means. It’s both weirdly wrong about Dune and weirdly wrong about Nazism Maybe they got Dragonball Z and Sayian culture mixed up. Lol
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 18:59 |
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vuk83 posted:Would alexander skarsgaard work as feyd rautha? Somebody said cast Henry Cavill and that honestly sounds like an inspired cast against type. He's a perfect savior, a propaganda coup.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 19:55 |
I wouldn't mind that, but I think it's somewhat important that Feyd be at least in the same generation as Paul. He's a twisted mirror to Paul, the embodiment of why the system has to burn down; its inevitable final champion. If he's too much older I don't think that hits as hard.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 02:02 |
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Yeah, the book talks about how Jessica was supposed to give Leto a daughter instead of Paul, who would have gone on to be wedded to Feyd to squash the Atredies - Harkonnen beef. So I always pictured Paul and Feyd to be fairly close in age, though obviously human history is full of statecraft marriages with big differences in age. Speaking of age, there's a little part of me that thinks Bautista might be too old to play Rabban. He's got the build and I've really liked him in other movies, but while we're talking about Feyd's age I also always pictured Rabban to be not that much older than his cousin.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 02:51 |
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I desperately wish there were more good Dune books but I quit reading after book 2 because I didn't even particularly like that one.
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Paul is 15 at the start, and the introduction of Feyd calls him a "youth of about sixteen years." They're very close in age. In the Appendix, we get an exact birth year for Rabban; he's 59 at the start of the novel, eight years older than the Duke, and two years older than Shaddam IV. But with the spice they should all look somewhat below middle age. edit: then again, Irulan says her father is 71 when he shows her the ego-likeness of the Duke and wishes she could have been old enough to have married him (which happens years before the events of the novel). So Frank wasn't super careful about his dates or ages. Prolonged Panorama fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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