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They were right. We're never going to have great singing voices like Bob Dylan again.
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Teeing up like that? How can we not follow-through? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Njho2uvOKY
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Apr 20, 2020 01:20
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Push El Burrito posted:They were right. We're never going to have great singing voices like Bob Dylan again. If that’s your definition of good, then good we never will
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Apr 20, 2020 03:23
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:If that’s your definition of good, then good we never will 
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Apr 20, 2020 03:28
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Sorry it was on the top of the page 
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Apr 20, 2020 03:49
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Debunk This! posted:Its funny how worried people were about this for a while. The spectre of auto-tune had so many musical purists convinced that talented singers were suddenly going to disappear now that you could get a computer to sing for you. I remember so much hand wringing from these people about how awful it all was and blah blah blah. There was a freaking Jackson 5 cartoon that railed against automation in music. I distinctly recall an entire episode where it was some evil music exec. who had a robot that could mimic the Jackson 5 and it was stealing all of their gigs until they managed to overload it or break it or whatever.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:07
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I actually watched Josie the other day for the first time. I forgot about auto tune being a growing concern back then. I viewed as more of a dig at consumerism. What an incredibly good and bizarre film.
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Apr 20, 2020 05:47
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the_steve posted:There was a freaking Jackson 5 cartoon that railed against automation in music. The music industry had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the present every time some new piece of technology came about, and even then it was full of industry experts who completely ignored and dismissed massive successes of new platforms and distribution and threatening anyone and everyone with law suits to turn back the clock. For a while there was a push to make copying your own purchased albums for personal use a crime, since in a vacuum making a copy of a song was the exact equivalent of stealing it. Of all the industries skull-hosed by the march of time its the music industry that most deserved it.
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Apr 20, 2020 06:49
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A lot of Zoomers just don't have the same "gently caress the music industry" instinct and it's sad. Sometimes just trying to explain it to the kids how much changed in 10 years makes me sound like a crazy person. They just don't know.
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Apr 20, 2020 07:43
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My favorite auto tune story was from an interview with The Matrix, a production trio that was responsible for a lot of shiny 00s pop that wasn’t coming from Sweden (and also launched Katy Perry’s career, so take that as you wish). They had thrown Cher’s vocals thru the Antares vocal processor (I think, I could be mixing it up, but that’s the OG Auto Tune box) and they made her sound all weird and cyborgy...but were terrified to share it with her because WHO DOES THAT TO CHER? She heard it anyway, and thought it was fuckin awesome, so that’s how Believe happened.
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Apr 20, 2020 08:11
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That Gravity Falls boy band episode had a bit where someone mentions how long it's been since boy bands were popular, but at the same time in the real world One Direction was also pulling big numbers long after boy bands' heyday.
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Apr 20, 2020 08:54
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Dr Christmas posted:That Gravity Falls boy band episode had a bit where someone mentions how long it's been since boy bands were popular, but at the same time in the real world One Direction was also pulling big numbers long after boy bands' heyday. I think Sev'ral Timez might be specifically a parody of One Direction both in that and some sort of obscure math joke in the name. (because if any show is going to do that...) Even at the time One Direction seemed anachronistic to a lot of people. I think the boy band niche is getting filled by Kpop now. ...and hell, it might make sense that a boy band of clones would be a few years behind the curve while they got the cloning project up and running. mind the walrus posted:A lot of Zoomers just don't have the same "gently caress the music industry" instinct and it's sad. Sometimes just trying to explain it to the kids how much changed in 10 years makes me sound like a crazy person. They just don't know. You probably sound like grandpa ranting about the Kaiser. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 09:28 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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Apr 20, 2020 09:26
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Dr Christmas posted:That Gravity Falls boy band episode had a bit where someone mentions how long it's been since boy bands were popular, but at the same time in the real world One Direction was also pulling big numbers long after boy bands' heyday. The shortlived future law show Century City had an episode where a 90s boy band about to do a 50th anniversary tour were suing one member because he had not had cosmetic surgery to keep looking 20.
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Apr 20, 2020 09:26
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mind the walrus posted:A lot of Zoomers just don't have the same "gently caress the music industry" instinct and it's sad. Sometimes just trying to explain it to the kids how much changed in 10 years makes me sound like a crazy person. They just don't know. If someone wants to publish music, they can set up a soundcloud and a patreon. The music industry doesn't present as many barriers.
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Apr 20, 2020 09:37
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Also "selling out" means "actually getting paid for your work" which has a certain appeal for people who like food and shelter.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:19
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Jedit posted:The shortlived future law show Century City had an episode where a 90s boy band about to do a 50th anniversary tour were suing one member because he had not had cosmetic surgery to keep looking 20. I just had to look this show up quote:In the year 2030, the United States has 52 states and universal healthcare, Oprah Winfrey is the President of the United States (her Vice President is an openly gay, retired, one-armed, four-star U.S. armed forces general) and the Moon has been colonized. Genes for homosexuality and deviant behaviour have been discovered but genetic engineering allows said genes to be deactivated which as a result has impacted the artistic community greatly.[citation needed]
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Apr 20, 2020 12:24
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Sounds like it did not age well. Even in 2005 I feel like we knew civilization would be destroyed by global warming.
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Apr 20, 2020 12:47
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Somehow Oprah being president is the least absurd part of that premise.
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Apr 20, 2020 12:52
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It also didn't live long. It didn't even get to air the entire first season before being canceled.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also "selling out" means "actually getting paid for your work" which has a certain appeal for people who like food and shelter. Selling out means not catering to me in particular
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Apr 20, 2020 16:00
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Bob's Burgers has a reoccurring plot where the girls are really into a boy band. It seemed dated the first time, but now Backstreet Boys are selling out concert stadiums again so joke's on me.Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:I actually watched Josie the other day for the first time. I forgot about auto tune being a growing concern back then. I viewed as more of a dig at consumerism. What an incredibly good and bizarre film. 
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Apr 20, 2020 16:06
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I don't think it's so much that gen z doesn't hate the music industry so much as they're capable of simply bypassing it entirely and do so without a thought.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I don't think it's so much that gen z doesn't hate the music industry so much as they're capable of simply bypassing it entirely and do so without a thought. Right. In the 80s and 90s and early 00s the radio or MTV (and sometimes VH1?) dominated what music was influencial and what bands made it. While to an extent radio has a huge influence now a days, streaming service bypasses the big structures that used to exist.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:45
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Sounds like it did not age well. Even in 2005 I feel like we knew civilization would be destroyed by global warming. I've been hearing about global warming destroying the planet since the 80s. Scientists have been taking about it since, at least, the early 20th century. We've known for over 100 years, it's just taking foooooooooorever to kill us, so may as well ignore it. It'll be my grandchildren's grandchildren's problem.
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Apr 20, 2020 16:48
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Solice Kirsk posted:I've been hearing about global warming destroying the planet since the 80s. Scientists have been taking about it since, at least, the early 20th century. We've known for over 100 years, it's just taking foooooooooorever to kill us, so may as well ignore it. It’s our problem already. Things like unusually destructive hurricane and fire seasons around the globe are direct results of global warming. We’re already seeing growing numbers of climate refugees and the governments of the world are beginning to respond not with compassion but with fascism, which is everyone’s problem. Right now.
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I'm p sure
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Apr 22, 2020 03:26
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I keep thinking about the Parks and Rec episode with Venezuela
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Apr 24, 2020 17:30
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Also "selling out" means "actually getting paid for your work" which has a certain appeal for people who like food and shelter. Reminds me of how Reality Bites and Rent are the two strongest arguments for putting bougie fucks against the wall. Man those aged well but not in the way the creators intended.
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Apr 24, 2020 17:48
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mind the walrus posted:Reminds me of how Reality Bites and Rent are the two strongest arguments for putting bougie fucks against the wall. Man those aged well but not in the way the creators intended. I loved the sad moving tale of the prestigious university grad who through a guy wanting to bang her gets her lovely documentary bought from her and aired on major TV and its portrayed as a "bad thing" that means she betrayed the purity of the art ideal.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:03
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If I recall correctly her main means of income is scamming her parents' credit card and her "true love" is a philosophy degree washout with zero job prospects or plans beyond "plays in a band." Honestly if it wasn't such  -bait for libertarian/conservative "cult of work" I'd love to see a follow-up story where we see how poo poo their lives turn out once being cute, young, and energetic runs out.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:09
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pentyne posted:I loved the sad moving tale of the prestigious university grad who through a guy wanting to bang her gets her lovely documentary bought from her and aired on major TV and its portrayed as a "bad thing" that means she betrayed the purity of the art ideal. The end of history was a hell of a trip. Imagine believing you ever had a choice to become financially comfortable through any series of deliberate actions.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:06
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mind the walrus posted:If I recall correctly her main means of income is scamming her parents' credit card and her "true love" is a philosophy degree washout with zero job prospects or plans beyond "plays in a band." Its talked up like "these were the real problems facing the gen x youth" when its just the same tale every single generation of spoiled privileged youths who put ideals and beliefs on a pedestal while living off the largess of someone else. I guarantee you that the rest of the gen X crowd who weren't aspiring filmakers for the art or garage band losers weren't worrying about the true value of their art when they had to pay bills and put food on the table. When the Ghost Ship fire made the news the media focused on those art communes and its 100% what you think and ton of adults living like their art and passion are all that matters and sharing a kitchen in a warehouse with 20 other people including young children. Reality Bites is the ur-example of what has gone of for centuries, people both privileged and not flock to a lifestyle ideal of non traditional work pursuing hobbies and whims without regard for care or consequences.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:08
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Pick posted:I keep thinking about the Parks and Rec episode with Venezuela I love that episode. "We have the best patients in the world. Because of jail."
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Apr 24, 2020 20:11
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pentyne posted:Its talked up like "these were the real problems facing the gen x youth" when its just the same tale every single generation of spoiled privileged youths who put ideals and beliefs on a pedestal while living off the largess of someone else. Whereas working for the man always pays off and never fucks up anyone regardless of their good intentions
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Apr 24, 2020 20:13
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Solice Kirsk posted:I've been hearing about global warming destroying the planet since the 80s. in a similar vein, i've seen a couple older movies now where the main conflict revolves around an american family getting absolutely crushed by medical expenses despite starting off as kind of upper-middle class? sometimes the problem is even more delicate, like the family just wasn't rich enough to afford the premium care that would've wrapped things up quickly but were instead worn down by the long attrition of second-rate yet outrageously expensive health care? not that it's aged poorly, but it's a weird sensation seeing a problem that writers are trying to bring to everyone's attention still remain unresolved decades and decades later
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Apr 24, 2020 20:48
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Not enough money behind getting it changed. Simple as that.
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Apr 24, 2020 20:52
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Solice Kirsk posted:Not enough money behind getting it changed. Simple as that. Oh there's plenty of money, it's just pushing the wrong way.
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Apr 24, 2020 21:02
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Correct. I was kinda hoping this global pandemic would be enough to get universal health care for the US, but it's just not gonna happen.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Correct. I was kinda hoping this global pandemic would be enough to get universal health care for the US, but it's just not gonna happen. My sweet summer child
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