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Mooktastical posted:One would think that would mean that the actual valuation of the cap goes down as the distance to The Hub increases, which would've been an interesting idea to see implemented in a post-apocalyptic video game. We don't know for sure how valuable caps are in proper NCR territory. The NCR is much safer than the Mojave and has a higher general level of technology (the Fallout 2 ending slides show Arroyo as a full city with huge newly constructed buildings and the NCR has working vehicles), so it's possible that caps are worth more there because traveling to the Hub if you wanted to wouldn't be very difficult.
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The economies in Fallout are largely barter-based, so sure, out in the middle of nowhere, any old person can say, "I don't see the value in this that you do," but that's different than the idea of a distance-based sliding scale for currency value. People either have faith in the currency and accept what it represents or they don't. They take a piece of currency because they have faith they can turn around and give it to someone else who will value it the same way. Many years ago, I received a quarter in change from a Taco Bell. Except when I got back to work and tried to use it in a vending machine, I realized it was actually a French franc. I took the coin because it seemed like a quarter and I had no reason to think it wasn't a quarter. So I did the only logical thing, which was to go back to Taco Bell and use it as part of a payment for a meal. The cashier accepted it because it looked like a quarter and he had no reason to think it wasn't a quarter. The exchange value of a French franc at that time was about 15 cents on the US dollar. But for at least two exchanges, it was 25 cents.
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ThaumPenguin posted:I remember reading somewhere* that part of what makes fiat currency work is taxation. The state makes its fiat currency valuable by not only instituting taxation, but also by demanding that said tax is paid using its own fiat currency. That way there's an inherent incentive to exchanging goods and/or labour for the currency, which entrenches it as an essential part of the economy and as a result legitimizes it - despite the currency itself having no inherent value as a commodity or even as an IOU. Another thing that makes it valuable is that lenders are legally required to accept it as payment for a debt. That's the "legal tender for all debts, public and private" part.
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Apr 22, 2020 05:47
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Exactly, which is why the NCR printed it on all of their bills: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/9/96/FNV_100%24_bill.png/revision/latest?cb=20101024135210
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See also, SoJs in Diablo II, which became the de facto barter currency because gold was worthless. Until SoJs were duped so much that people lost faith in them and they naturally fell out of use. One of my favorite currency stories involves the huge rai stones of Yap. For a really important transaction, a massive rai was spent and transported across the water by canoe. The rai fell into the water so deep and far from shore that it was not able to be recovered. Everyone agreed that the person to whom it was intended to be given still "owned" it and it could still be spent as currency. So the community continued to trade this massive stone wheel sitting underwater in spite of the fact that it couldn't move. It was all based on faith in the system.
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Apr 22, 2020 06:04
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One thing's for sure: nobody's gonna steal that rai stone
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Apr 22, 2020 08:21
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Does anyone know how action point cost in VATS works exactly when multiple perks are involved? Say I have Fast Shot (-20%) and Math Wrath (-10%) and my gun costs 17 AP to fire. Does it cost 0.7*17 AP, or is it 0.8*0.9*17? Then, will the game deal in fractions of AP, or does it round up or down?
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Apr 22, 2020 08:34
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ThaumPenguin posted:One thing's for sure: nobody's gonna steal that rai stone Well obviously, the bottom of the sea is way less appealing than a vault in a post-apocalyptic casino resort.
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I'm guessing that also explains why Joshua Graham accepts Legion coins aside from the gameplay reason of not wanting to cut the player off from trading if they only have Legion coins - he can probably find someone in the wastes who would accept them as raw gold and silver for trade, even if they don't recongise the sovereignity of the nation that minted them. I also liked the little touch of Lonesome Road and Old World Blues having little lore reasons for why caps are accepted as currency in pre-war areas cut off for the last 200 odd years. This franchise has always had great world buliding, I guess that's why some fans get really, really heated online debating about if Jet was a pre or post War invention, but I always thought that was a storm in a teacup.
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OldMemes posted:I'm guessing that also explains why Joshua Graham accepts Legion coins aside from the gameplay reason of not wanting to cut the player off from trading if they only have Legion coins - he can probably find someone in the wastes who would accept them as raw gold and silver for trade, even if they don't recongise the sovereignity of the nation that minted them. I also liked the little touch of Lonesome Road and Old World Blues having little lore reasons for why caps are accepted as currency in pre-war areas cut off for the last 200 odd years. You can spend Legion coins?! I only ever load them into shotshells.
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Apr 24, 2020 22:08
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Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's *loads shotgun*
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madeintaipei posted:You can spend Legion coins?! I only ever load them into shotshells. I assume they meant as barter. NCR & Legion coins exchange for a fixed rate in caps not based on your barter skill iirc, and so you can just click money to a trader to pay for something instead of spending caps, or I suppose you could sell your money back for caps if you wanted.
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Now I'm curious about the Jet thing. I thought it was established that Myron accidentally cooked that up during Fallout 2 by noticing that people were getting high while working around cow dung.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:46
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bethsada was asked about it and their answer was shut up nerd.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:49
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I heard Todd Howard gave the guy a swirly in a toilet that had pee in it too.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:56
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Bethesda seemingly spent all their coherent-worldbuilding psychic budget on morrowind
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Apr 25, 2020 00:00
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O thought the crazy morrowind stuff was just one guy?
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Apr 25, 2020 00:01
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Arcsquad12 posted:O thought the crazy morrowind stuff was just one guy? Whatever it was: the studio that brought you Morrowind and the studio that brought you Oblivion may as well have been totally different entities.
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DeathChicken posted:Now I'm curious about the Jet thing. I thought it was established that Myron accidentally cooked that up during Fallout 2 by noticing that people were getting high while working around cow dung. It was established in Fallout 2 that Myron *says* he invented Jet. In the very same game you could find Jet inside of the sealed pre-war military base. This was probably just a mistake on designers part but it's surprising to me that people talk about this case as Bethesda breaking canon. Also in Fallout 3 President EDEN says that Enclave is good which is retcon of Fallout 2 where Brotherhood of Steel guy said it's bad. Edit: There's a wiki page dealing with those contradictions. https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Jet#Contradictions ilitarist fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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Apr 25, 2020 07:09
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thanks now i ended up going down a fallout wiki rabbithole for an hour
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Apr 25, 2020 11:01
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If you don't go back to New Reno after the game is finished and make the porn parody, you haven't actually finished the game.
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:thanks now i ended up going down a fallout wiki rabbithole for an hour Game of the Year all Years.
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Apr 25, 2020 14:40
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Wanna mingle with a Wanamingo?
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I picked this up again after not playing it since i finished 1 playthrough when it came out. The difference between the vanilla game and one modded with texture packs, visual effects and bugfixes is staggering. I mostly followed the Viva New Vegas guide without the major gameplay changes and extra content. I also realized that you can make huge amounts of caps by breaking down .50 MG rounds and Rockets and mixing it with Flamer Fuel to make incendiary rockets, which sell for 3-4 times the cost of the other three put together. Just make sure you don't break more rockets than .50 MG primer or you'll get stuck with a few hundred pounds of conductors.
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Does this game not play well with Steam cloud saves? Sometimes when I switch computers the saves that it’ll have downloaded are way out of date.
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I come face to face with the Chupacabra whilst investigating whether this gecko was hiding his treasure from me!
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rope kid posted:Many years ago, I received a quarter in change from a Taco Bell. Except when I got back to work and tried to use it in a vending machine, I realized it was actually a French franc. I took the coin because it seemed like a quarter and I had no reason to think it wasn't a quarter. So I did the only logical thing, which was to go back to Taco Bell and use it as part of a payment for a meal. The cashier accepted it because it looked like a quarter and he had no reason to think it wasn't a quarter. The exchange value of a French franc at that time was about 15 cents on the US dollar. But for at least two exchanges, it was 25 cents. Makes you wonder if the NCR ever had to contend with people attempting to pass old world money as legal tender, or using it to fill out bill stacks.
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Frustratingly, pre-war money is worth caps, so it has a monetary value (to you, anyway). This means that you can use it as barter material. It's not currency, because it's not backed by anything other than itself, but it's still valuable. Making paper isn't very difficult, but I imagine it's pretty valuable to find easily carried hunks of cloth based paper lying around.
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Old world money is valuable because wasteland survivors love to wipe their asses with it
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I'm playing with the New Vegas Interiors mods and they add toilet paper to the game and it is worth a shitload of caps for obvious reasons.
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The white gold, as it's called. Though it makes sense that it's survived for 200 years in a hot dry climate.
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Apr 29, 2020 18:51
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https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/68510 Pre-war Toilet Paper Currency 
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm playing with the New Vegas Interiors mods and they add toilet paper to the game and it is worth a shitload of caps for obvious reasons. Just quoting to add that New Vegas Interiors is great and I love it. Lot of care and attention put into the spaces; so much so that sometimes it can be jarring to go into one because they are more detailed and interesting than most vanilla throwaway locations.
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aniviron posted:Just quoting to add that New Vegas Interiors is great and I love it. Lot of care and attention put into the spaces; so much so that sometimes it can be jarring to go into one because they are more detailed and interesting than most vanilla throwaway locations. The downside is that Interiors takes junk hoarding to a ridiculous extreme. Every single item can be picked up and put in your inventory, which results in several interiors grinding to a halt as the engine struggles to render physics on eight thousand objects. And the scavenger hunts for the Gnomes and the playing cards can gently caress right off.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The downside is that Interiors takes junk hoarding to a ridiculous extreme. Every single item can be picked up and put in your inventory, which results in several interiors grinding to a halt as the engine struggles to render physics on eight thousand objects. Agreed. Flat out zap any of those drat Gnomes with the console delete command on sight.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I'm playing with the New Vegas Interiors mods and they add toilet paper to the game and it is worth a shitload of caps for obvious reasons.
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Yeah that's the joke
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Xander77 posted:I might be missing an obvious joke here, but there are plenty of countries where toilet paper was (and is) hard to find. It doesn't become a luxury good \ creates a secondary market as a result - alternatives are plentiful and not sufficiently worse to make trading for toilet paper worthwhile. Ask yourself, who is making toilet paper in the post apocalypse? There's not exactly many healthy trees around southern Californian / Nevadan deserts to begin with that would let you run a paper mill to pulp stuff down. Asswipe in the post apocalypse would be a very valuable commodity. Given that the Fallout world seems to have hit a point where prewar preservatives might as well be embalming fluid for how well items keep after 200 years of decay, prewar toilet paper would be worth its weight in gold.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Ask yourself, who is making toilet paper in the post apocalypse? There's not exactly many healthy trees around southern Californian / Nevadan deserts to begin with that would let you run a paper mill to pulp stuff down. Asswipe in the post apocalypse would be a very valuable commodity. Given that the Fallout world seems to have hit a point where prewar preservatives might as well be embalming fluid for how well items keep after 200 years of decay, prewar toilet paper would be worth its weight in water. What is the bidet market like, also.
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MariusLecter posted:What is the bidet market like, also. I love shooting radioactive water up my bunghole.
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