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The main thing I remember is that Harry is a dicknuts who doesn't ask enough questions or care enough about the answers.
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Apr 22, 2020 05:08
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prisoner of azkaban is directed so much better than the other films that it doesn't even feel like it's part of the series
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Apr 22, 2020 06:03
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Oh hey a Harry Potter thread! I was an extra in The Philosophers Stone as I loved the books but now I think JK Rowling is a massive piece of poo poo also i'm a hufflepuff okay that's my story bye bye
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Apr 22, 2020 06:33
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ungulateman posted:prisoner of azkaban is directed so much better than the other films that it doesn't even feel like it's part of the series It has some absolutely baffling script omissions though.
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Apr 22, 2020 14:10
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Zore posted:It has some absolutely baffling script omissions though. Am I misremembering, or do they completely gloss over why Harry thinks his dad saved him from the Dementor attack during the time turner sequence? My recollection is that he proclaims "MUST'VE BEEN MY DAD" just out of nowhere, with no mention of his connections to stags or anything to that point
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Apr 22, 2020 14:16
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JethroMcB posted:Am I misremembering, or do they completely gloss over why Harry thinks his dad saved him from the Dementor attack during the time turner sequence? My recollection is that he proclaims "MUST'VE BEEN MY DAD" just out of nowhere, with no mention of his connections to stags or anything to that point Yep, they drop basically all exposition or info about the Marauders and don't ever mention that they made the map or why they became animagus etc. It flows very weirdly
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Apr 22, 2020 14:21
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Zore posted:Yep, they drop basically all exposition or info about the Marauders and don't ever mention that they made the map or why they became animagus etc. It flows very weirdly I feel like it was pretty bad when it came to setting things up for the other movies down the line. Although you could say that about all the movies save arguably Deathly Hallows Part 2.
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Apr 22, 2020 14:41
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Zore posted:Yep, they drop basically all exposition or info about the Marauders and don't ever mention that they made the map or why they became animagus etc. It flows very weirdly Without any of that background or exposition it was like, "Who or what is this?" unless you read the book. And conversely, if you had read the book, you were like, "Why didn't you take 10 seconds to explain it?"
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Apr 22, 2020 14:44
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I went to see the movie with my father who had not read the books and he was completely baffled
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Apr 22, 2020 14:55
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ungulateman posted:prisoner of azkaban is directed so much better than the other films that it doesn't even feel like it's part of the series My incredibly geeky favorite thing about the Azkaban film was casting David Thewlis as Professor Lupin, because at the time the entire shipping/slash community surrounding the books was largely dominated by pairing Lupin and Sirius and an entire generation of awkward horny adolescent girls had built him up as some total dreamboat and then the movie comes out and he looks like an actual middle-aged chronically ill professor who sleeps under a tree instead of a bishounen fuckboy.
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Apr 22, 2020 14:58
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By the time Azkaban was being made the books were a cultural phenomenon, cutting the gordian knot of "how do you adapt a ten-hour+ book into a two-hour film" with "gently caress it, everyone's read the books anyway" was extremely astute. Why make the films for a world where people are going to be shocked that Harry's dad made the Marauder's Map when that world no longer exists?
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Apr 22, 2020 15:29
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Sleeveless posted:How much must it have sucked to be one of the like five British actors who weren't even offered a part in the Harry Potter movies. I think Patrick Stewart still chafes about being in neither Harry Potter nor Lord of the Rings.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:43
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josh04 posted:By the time Azkaban was being made the books were a cultural phenomenon, cutting the gordian knot of "how do you adapt a ten-hour+ book into a two-hour film" with "gently caress it, everyone's read the books anyway" was extremely astute. Why make the films for a world where people are going to be shocked that Harry's dad made the Marauder's Map when that world no longer exists? I mean Azkaban is a fairly short book and it would be trivial to insert a few sentences to actually explain things. It certainly wastes enough time on pointless repetitive conversations and inserting a racist scene that wasn't in the book.
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Apr 22, 2020 15:45
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Dell_Zincht posted:Oh hey a Harry Potter thread! I was an extra in The Philosophers Stone as I loved the books but now I think JK Rowling is a massive piece of poo poo also i'm a hufflepuff okay that's my story bye bye That's pretty sick! Any set stories?
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Apr 22, 2020 15:54
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Sleeveless posted:Uncle Porkflaps grabs Harry by the head, trying to pull Harry's wig off before remembering that Harry is a boy and probably his hair is real. "NO MORE MAGIC!" his throat rasps without it's usual gravy lube. "As long as God doesn't gently caress anything up." might be my favorite closing line to anything ever.
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Ahhh, that's right. They never once talk about the magical MacGuffin that makes the whole drat plot possible and why it becomes a fetish object for Harry.josh04 posted:By the time Azkaban was being made the books were a cultural phenomenon, cutting the gordian knot of "how do you adapt a ten-hour+ book into a two-hour film" with "gently caress it, everyone's read the books anyway" was extremely astute. Why make the films for a world where people are going to be shocked that Harry's dad made the Marauder's Map when that world no longer exists? Every now and then I'll hear somebody is a big fan of the movies - or has at least seen all of them - but never picked up the books...why? How?
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The problem here is, nobody is posting as a ride-or-die fan of the franchise. I like the seven books for what they are, decent children/teen entertainment, but I'm not a superfan. We need a Potterhead to get in here and start madposting at Pick for this to get real fun.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:16
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VanSandman posted:The problem here is, nobody is posting as a ride-or-die fan of the franchise. I like the seven books for what they are, decent children/teen entertainment, but I'm not a superfan. We need a Potterhead to get in here and start madposting at Pick for this to get real fun. Troll in the dungeon!
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Apr 22, 2020 16:25
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JethroMcB posted:Ahhh, that's right. They never once talk about the magical MacGuffin that makes the whole drat plot possible and why it becomes a fetish object for Harry. The Deathly Hallows being a thing that is introduced in the last book with zero foreshadowing or buildup was just one of many baffling decisions, but it gave us the arc of Harry becoming aware of his own mortality and then coveting the thought of living forever but ultimately rejecting it and accepting his own death which more or less carried a lot of the book. Its greatest sin was making the ultimate duel between good and evil be a convoluted logic puzzle about wand ownership.
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Apr 22, 2020 16:40
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VanSandman posted:The problem here is, nobody is posting as a ride-or-die fan of the franchise. I like the seven books for what they are, decent children/teen entertainment, but I'm not a superfan. We need a Potterhead to get in here and start madposting at Pick for this to get real fun. hell yes i would be able to irritate the poo poo out of that person
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Apr 22, 2020 17:00
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JethroMcB posted:Am I misremembering, or do they completely gloss over why Harry thinks his dad saved him from the Dementor attack during the time turner sequence? My recollection is that he proclaims "MUST'VE BEEN MY DAD" just out of nowhere, with no mention of his connections to stags or anything to that point I thought he just confused himself with his dad since they are supposed to look alike. Also he wasn't aware of the time travel stuff at the time so saying "that's me" wouldn't have made sense to him.
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Sleeveless posted:Its greatest sin was making the ultimate duel between good and evil be a convoluted logic puzzle about wand ownership. I think this is really fitting in a weird way. The books center around magical education, and Rowling's model for it is the classic Trivium: grammar, rhetoric, and logic.
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Apr 22, 2020 17:26
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PeterWeller posted:I think this is really fitting in a weird way. The books center around magical education, and Rowling's model for it is the classic Trivium: grammar, rhetoric, and logic. Ok but the answer is in a previous book, which goes against her 'self-contained mystery' setup for the books.
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I invoke the following spell of summoning: Which incidentally, really and almost instantly summoned this guy 
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VanSandman posted:Ok but the answer is in a previous book, which goes against her 'self-contained mystery' setup for the books. I don't think she was going for self contained mysteries. The later books are constantly looking back towards and building off the earlier ones. The entire vanishing cabinet bit from book 6 is set up in book 2 or 3.
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JethroMcB posted:Ahhh, that's right. They never once talk about the magical MacGuffin that makes the whole drat plot possible and why it becomes a fetish object for Harry. That and when people who know what the Deathly Hallows are see Harry's invisibility cloak in the earlier books, their reaction is just 'Oh, that's an interesting trinket.' rather than 'HOLY poo poo THAT'S A LEGENDARY OBJECT.'
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Sleeveless posted:The Deathly Hallows being a thing that is introduced in the last book with zero foreshadowing or buildup was just one of many baffling decisions, but it gave us the arc of Harry becoming aware of his own mortality and then coveting the thought of living forever but ultimately rejecting it and accepting his own death which more or less carried a lot of the book. Its greatest sin was making the ultimate duel between good and evil be a convoluted logic puzzle about wand ownership. It would have certainly been more interesting if Harry had actually bit it and, like, Neville saved the day. Certainly moreso than 'everybody marries their high school sweetheart and gives their kids ridiculous names.'
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SolarFire2 posted:That and when people who know what the Deathly Hallows are see Harry's invisibility cloak in the earlier books, their reaction is just 'Oh, that's an interesting trinket.' rather than 'HOLY poo poo THAT'S A LEGENDARY OBJECT.' That's because most modern wizards just assume the Deathly Hallows are an old faerie tale and aren't actually real, and invisibility cloaks are common enough that Harry having one doesn't really seem all that absurd to most people. Dumbledore was pretty much the only character in the books who recognized the Potters' cloak for what it really was. He tells Harry in the infodump at the end that he felt guilty because when James showed it off to him and he realized what it was, he asked to borrow it so he could study it, knowing full well that it was one of the Hallows... and then James and Lily wound up murdered by Voldemort because they didn't have the cloak to hide themselves with.
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PeterWeller posted:I don't think she was going for self contained mysteries. The later books are constantly looking back towards and building off the earlier ones. The entire vanishing cabinet bit from book 6 is set up in book 2 or 3. I feel like the first three books were self-contained and then after the series blew up in popularity four served as a fulcrum to a back half that was more open ended and self-referential. A lot of young adult series seem to follow that arc to a degree, like how the first half of A Series of Unfortunate Events is adopted-parent-of-the-week stories until they go off the rails or how the third Hunger Games book doesn't actually have a Hunger Games in it. Dawgstar posted:It would have certainly been more interesting if Harry had actually bit it and, like, Neville saved the day. Certainly moreso than 'everybody marries their high school sweetheart and gives their kids ridiculous names.' For years Rowling swore that she had the ending of the series written out already and sealed in an envelope whenever people asked her if the series was planned out or of she knew how it would end, and it turns out that epilogue is what she was referring to. Which is why it's worse written and clashes horribly with the rest of the book.
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Sleeveless posted:For years Rowling swore that she had the ending of the series written out already and sealed in an envelope whenever people asked her if the series was planned out or of she knew how it would end, and it turns out that epilogue is what she was referring to. Which is why it's worse written and clashes horribly with the rest of the book. YouTuber Jenny Nicholson expressed delight at the notion of what Rowling has since claimed she 'always knew' as one of those was Nagini being an Asian woman trapped as a snake. Jenny envisioned Rowling at a diner late one night writing down 'Boy Who Lived' and then right under it 'The Snake Is a Korean Woman.'
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Sleeveless posted:I feel like the first three books were self-contained and then after the series blew up in popularity four served as a fulcrum to a back half that was more open ended and self-referential. A lot of young adult series seem to follow that arc to a degree, like how the first half of A Series of Unfortunate Events is adopted-parent-of-the-week stories until they go off the rails or how the third Hunger Games book doesn't actually have a Hunger Games in it. The first three certainly are a whole lot more self-contained than the rest of the series. But even when the first one is putting a bow on just about everything it makes a point that Voldemort has only been temporarily defeated and will return later in the series. I'm not sure it's popularity that causes the shift. Each book is written for a slightly more mature audience than the one before, so they ask more from their readers as they go on. I think that's all pretty deliberate and part of the didactic purpose of the series. That's an interesting trend you bring up. I haven't read past the first two Unfortunate Events books, so I can't compare that series, though since it's also very didactic, I wonder if Snicket is doing something similar. I tend to think Mockingjay doesn't have an actual Hunger Games in it because Collins is very conscious of how much Catching Fire is a rehash of the first book and she knows she has to address the society that creates the Hunger Games if she wants to bring any sort of satisfying closure to the series. But maybe this is not a trend in just YA stuff. I mean, look at how ASoIaF starts to stumble under its weight, or how The Expanse series becomes more disjointed and unevenly paced after the third book.
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Series of unfortunate events is a good read. Spent a lot of time thinking about the ending.
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PeterWeller posted:I tend to think Mockingjay doesn't have an actual Hunger Games in it because Collins is very conscious of how much Catching Fire is a rehash of the first book and she knows she has to address the society that creates the Hunger Games if she wants to bring any sort of satisfying closure to the series. I was mostly just being flippant, I actually put off the second one for a long time after finding out that it was about Katniss doing another Hunger Game because of all the directions to take a sequel in that seemed like the least interesting. Thankfully they pulled it off though. reignofevil posted:Series of unfortunate events is a good read. Spent a lot of time thinking about the ending. I read the series in high school even though it's targeted much younger just because the jokes were so good, Snickett giving definitions of things never stopped being funny and all the adults being lovely and stupid in ways any kid would recognize and had to have dealt with is so good.
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Snicket's purposes are teaching children to understand narratives and question authority figures. The man is a hero and a saint.
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Series is very good but there's a few books where bad-parent-of-the-week is floundering and Snicket's struggling to find a new format that works, where Rowling's decision to go full-George RR Martin for book four, though people moan about it, kicked the whole thing into high gear.
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josh04 posted:Series is very good but there's a few books where bad-parent-of-the-week is floundering and Snicket's struggling to find a new format that works, where Rowling's decision to go full-George RR Martin for book four, though people moan about it, kicked the whole thing into high gear. It's very funny to imagine a Harry Potter where all seven books were just him being both figuratively and literally haunted by the ghosts of his legacy with Voldemort getting Team Rocketed at the end each time like the first two.
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josh04 posted:Series is very good but there's a few books where bad-parent-of-the-week is floundering and Snicket's struggling to find a new format that works, where Rowling's decision to go full-George RR Martin for book four, though people moan about it, kicked the whole thing into high gear. I didn't really mind the series going HAM on plots and darkness. The increasing romances wasn't great because that is clearly not Rowling's forte. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Apr 23, 2020 |
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I re-read the whole series a couple years ago when my roommate at the time had all the books lying around (he borrowed them as, despite being a big fan of the movies, he had never read the books). Its kind of shocking how little there is in the first book, you can tell Rowling was learning how to write as she was writing them. You can also tell she bit off way more than she could chew saying there would be 7 books from the start. After re-reading them though, my opinion on 6 and 7 changed from 'bad' to 'utterly forgettable'.
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W.T. Fits posted:That's because most modern wizards just assume the Deathly Hallows are an old faerie tale and aren't actually real, and invisibility cloaks are common enough that Harry having one doesn't really seem all that absurd to most people. Dumbledore was pretty much the only character in the books who recognized the Potters' cloak for what it really was. He tells Harry in the infodump at the end that he felt guilty because when James showed it off to him and he realized what it was, he asked to borrow it so he could study it, knowing full well that it was one of the Hallows... and then James and Lily wound up murdered by Voldemort because they didn't have the cloak to hide themselves with. So what's the difference between the Deathly Hallow invisiblity cloak and the more common off the shelf variety?
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