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Gnoman posted:Going by what we've seen before, Melissa's going to get ground to paste between the two sides, and Rachel will be extremely guilty about it for the remainder of the book.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 14:18 |
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Family members of notables are valid targets? Oh boy, we're playing by
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# ? Apr 16, 2020 14:06 |
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I'm predicting they'll decide to go through with it but find they can't morph humans because of some technicality, maybe you can't morph into another of your own species or something.
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# ? Apr 16, 2020 14:53 |
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Man I can't wait until this thread gets to the book where we find out Tobias was literally Elfangor's son because he hosed Tobias's mom and that's why our heroes were given the ability to morph to begin with--it was for Tobias but the rest of them also got it because they happened to be there and that's when Tobias is thankful he got morph-locked as a hawk because his inability to show facial expressions after years of being a hawk kept him from reacting in human form when he got the ability to morph into his former human shape for two hours at a time.
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# ? Apr 16, 2020 14:55 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 4quote:The next day after school I headed for my gymnastics class at the YMCA, which is just across from the mall. They have a big indoor pool, so the entire building always smells of chlorine. Except for the weight room, which just smells like sweat. Shannon Miller is a gymnast who's won the most Olympic medals of any American gymnast, and, prior to Simone Biles, had won the most championships. quote:Most of us in the class are too tall or too heavy to ever be serious gymnasts. We do it for fun and for exercise. I do it because I've always thought of myself as kind of clumsy. My mom says I'm not, but that's how I feel anyway. There's Tolkien again. quote:Melissa gave me the kind of not-very-warm smile she always gives me lately. Like she was distracted, or thinking about something more important. So, again, there's this fear...this, you can't trust anyone, even someone who's been your friend forever. And, like Rachel said, Melissa has changed. So is she a Controller? Or did they just drift apart? Because the other thing is, that's what happens when you get older. Your friends in one part of your life aren't necessarily your friends in another, and this sort of middle school age, in a lot of ways, is when you really start to experience this. I know that I had friends, really good friends, when I was in elementary school that I just stopped hanging out with...and then, of course, the same was true from middle school to high school, high school to college, college to now, and so on. You just grow apart, and then when you run into the people later, it can be awkward. You were good friends once, and now that's gone and you're living your separate lives, not a part of each other's anymore. So then what happens when you take that natural, aging experience, and add Yeerks to the mix? Did my old friend and I drift apart because we just naturally did, or is she being mind controlled by an alien slug? quote:I didn't go shopping after my lesson. I didn't really feel like it. Melissa's eyes, the way she had looked at me, kind of killed my urge to shop. I'll have more comments on this next chapter.
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# ? Apr 16, 2020 22:34 |
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Seems like she's about to expose herself to a controller, will probably have to kill him next. Now I'm wondering what the plan for using Melissa actually is, I assumed they just want to grab her DNA for morphing but she just had an opportunity for that when she grabbed her arm but didn't. Were they planning to just ask her to spy on her dad instead?
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 07:40 |
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I think that is/was the plan; to get close to Melissa again and use her to try to figure out what her dad is up to.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 13:30 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 5quote:I wanted to tell the jerk to step off. What I wanted to say to him was, "So, you still want to go for that ride?" I had seen somewhere the comment that this scene plays out differently now than when it would have originally when it was written, and I think that's right, because of different messages we send kids about the risk of danger and assault. Nowadays, the usual message focuses, "If anyone makes you nervous or tries to make you do something that makes you feel uncomfortable, you should say something.", whereas in the 80s and 90s, the message focused a lot more on "stranger danger", and the idea of like the creep in the van. So the irony in the original reading is that Chapman, who's an authority figure, the father of one of her classmates, and someone she should "trust", is more of a threat than the creepy guy who's trying to pick up young teens. quote:A wave of sick fear swept over me. Had he seen what I'd just done? If he had, then I was dead. My friends were dead. There's not much more frightening than an expression you can't read. quote:I was shaking like a leaf when I walked into my house. I headed upstairs to my room and stuffed my ripped shoes into the trash. Only then did I go back downstairs and say hi to my mom. See, health food. quote:After dinner I called Jake. I honestly think they're being much too hard on her here. quote:"The important thing is that it doesn't sound like Rachel can use Melissa to get close to Chapman," Jake said. "Not if she's a Controller herself. And not if she's going to continue being weird to Rachel." We can see where this is going. Also, Rachel has a lot of self doubt here.
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# ? Apr 17, 2020 22:33 |
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I’m actually curious about the “how well does a bug hear” thing.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 07:02 |
They are being hard on her, yes, but... she took an unbelievably stupid risk that could have resulted in all of them going down. It'd be bad enough if she got wasted, but if she'd been captured instead, welp, series ends on book two.
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 13:54 |
I'd also like to point out that Chapman and Tom are completely useless. Chapman saw something that clearly raised his eyebrows, and Tom brought Jake AND Rachel to a Sharing meeting with the intention of wasting them if necessary... and they fail to act on the obvious connection. It probably wouldn't hold up in court, but the pieces are all there. They're known associates, they were in the area (if not identified), and known to go through the construction site... Just gank them and be done with it. You
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# ? Apr 18, 2020 13:59 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 6quote:"Look! A kitty door!" Jake pointed. Fluffer McKitty is the best name for a cat. quote:"You've got to be kidding." Marco, of course. "He really was an amazing animal when you didn't think of him as a boy trapped in a bird's body" is very much one of those "Except for that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" kind of lines. Also, you're sort of seeing more of a relationship here between the two of them. quote:Gentle Tobias now had an expression that looked totally ferocious. Fair, I think. That was a pretty nasty blow. Marco has, if you haven't noticed, a tendency to shoot off his mouth without so much tact. quote:<The cat we're looking for is just a half block away,> Tobias said. <Follow me. > This is true. My cat is the sweetest thing in the world, but you get on his bad side, and you won't be happy/ quote:"Oh, come on. He's a sweet kitty cat." To demonstrate just how sweet Flutter was, I reached a hand for him. So "This night was turning weird real fast." should probably be this series's motto.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 00:03 |
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Thanks much for this thread. Its been kind of delightful to read the series I devoured about 10 books of before moving on as a kid and coming back to it with fresh, older eyes.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 01:55 |
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Ravenfood posted:Thanks much for this thread. Its been kind of delightful to read the series I devoured about 10 books of before moving on as a kid and coming back to it with fresh, older eyes. Sure. I know a lot of people have nostalgic memories of it as a kid, so I wanted to see how people thought it held up as an adult.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 02:25 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 7quote:<Got something for you. A baby mouse. A mean baby mouse. It keeps trying to bite me.> For context, this is a shrew and this is a mouse quote:"Wait a minute," Marco said, beginning to grin. "Rachel is going to become a shrew? I agree wwith Marco. quote:Cassie looked worried, too. "You know, Rachel, usually a cat will play with a mouse a little bit. They're really pretty cute together. quote:I concentrated once more on the shrew. The shrew was now a part of me. I don't know how it works, but it does. Somehow, thanks to the Andalite technology, the DNA of that shrew was stored away inside me. It was like having a map to guide me as I transformed. Not that I had a clue how I was able to do it. So to be clear, their plan to get the cat down from the tree and catchable was to lure it with a mouse as bait. But, instead of Tobias catching a mouse and dropping it by the tree for the cat to hunt, the plan was to turn Rachel into a mouse, and risk her life? I'm not believing this is the smartest choice.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 23:18 |
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The great thing about the Animorphs being a bunch of idiot children is that it's perfectly realistic they'd make all these terrible decisions. Because they sure do manage to come up with a lot of bad plans.
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# ? Apr 19, 2020 23:28 |
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cptn_dr posted:The great thing about the Animorphs being a bunch of idiot children is that it's perfectly realistic they'd make all these terrible decisions. Because they sure do manage to come up with a lot of bad plans. And they all work about as well as you'd expect, which is why the books are so great.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 00:21 |
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Kchama posted:And they all work about as well as you'd expect, which is why the books are so great. Really is kind of entertaining that where your standard YA books would have the heroes nevertheless prevail in these situations, Applegate has them straight up fail horribly and people get killed.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 01:36 |
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Turns out maybe 13 year olds aren't the ones you want running the resistance. They do get better at it.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 02:42 |
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I can't remember if it's something you said or if it's a thought I had independently when I was reading (I'm rereading the series now thanks to your thread), but I thought it was interesting to note that that the first Animorph to wilfully go out of their way to kill someone was Cassie (who killed the cop who brought her to the Yeerk pool).
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 03:24 |
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cptn_dr posted:I can't remember if it's something you said or if it's a thought I had independently when I was reading (I'm rereading the series now thanks to your thread), but I thought it was interesting to note that that the first Animorph to wilfully go out of their way to kill someone was Cassie (who killed the cop who brought her to the Yeerk pool). It kind of becomes a throughline for her character as the series goes on. Rachel gets all the attention because she turns into a bloodthirsty murder enthusiast but Cassie is much more subtly ruthless despite her role as the mother hen and peacemaker of the group. This is not going to be the last time she up and murders someone off-screen because it's what had to be done.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 03:28 |
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nine-gear crow posted:It kind of becomes a throughline for her character as the series goes on. Rachel gets all the attention because she turns into a bloodthirsty murder enthusiast but Cassie is much more subtly ruthless despite her role as the mother hen and peacemaker of the group. This is not going to be the last time she up and murders someone off-screen because it's what had to be done. And don’t forget how she designs the plan to lure and trap David in morph. Cassie is drat ruthless when she wants to be. It just so happens that it’s a lot less than the other Animorphs want to be.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 04:06 |
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nine-gear crow posted:. This is not going to be the last time she up and murders someone off-screen because it's what had to be done. Are you talking about the time she burns down the house of the cannibal Human-controller who runs AOL?
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 04:14 |
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Epicurius posted:Are you talking about the time she burns down the house of the cannibal Human-controller who runs AOL? Yep
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 04:27 |
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I remember there's a line in book 15 where this yet-unintroduced character points out how odd it is the Andalite bandits have never killed a human, which I found really jarring. They might try not to, but there's no way they haven't done it accidentally by then.
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Krazyface posted:I remember there's a line in book 15 where this yet-unintroduced character points out how odd it is the Andalite bandits have never killed a human, which I found really jarring. They might try not to, but there's no way they haven't done it accidentally by then. I thought it was avoided killing humans.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 19:31 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:I thought it was avoided killing humans. I guess we'll see in thirteen books.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 19:40 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 8quote:I dodged, but too slowly. Huge talons closed around me and suddenly my little feet were running in air. So this is maybe the third time we've seen an animorph get overwhelmed by the mind of the animal they morphed into...Jake's dog, the lizard and now this. quote:"You okay, Rachel?" Jake's voice. That's cats for you. quote:I was shooting up from the ground, regaining my normal body. That's also cats for you. quote:When I was done, I noticed Cassie smiling at me. So, this is a mistake, and I don't know if the author got it wrong, or Cassie is just meant to be wrong here, because we know that Jake also has four morphs....his dog, the lizard, the tiger, and the peregrine falcon he was in the shape of at the beginning of the book. quote:"I guess we'll find out," Marco said darkly. "Probably at the worst possible time."
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 21:57 |
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That punchline from Marco was when I got hooked to the series. Perfect dark humor.
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# ? Apr 20, 2020 22:15 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:I thought it was avoided killing humans. Didn't they kill that one policeman already.
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# ? Apr 21, 2020 07:15 |
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Avalerion posted:Didn't they kill that one policeman already. So we're led to understand from Cassie's comment.
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# ? Apr 21, 2020 07:32 |
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I'm pretty sure it's specifically that the number of human casualties was much lower than Hork-Bajir and Taxxons, which didn't make sense as there's no reason for Andalites to be more hesitant to harm humans over Hork-Bajir and Taxxons. Especially since Andalites on the whole had more of a relationship with the Hork-Bajir and Taxxons than they did with humanity, so there's no reason why they'd favor humans so much.
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# ? Apr 21, 2020 09:26 |
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The Visitor-Chapter 9quote:"Aaaaaaaahhh! Aaaaah! Aaaaaaaaaah!" There's that theme again. quote:"Good night," I said. "Thanks for rescuing me from that nightmare. Whatever it was." You sort of have to wonder what morphing psychologically does to you. What must it be like to deal with having to not just taking on an animal's shape but also its psyche? I'd assume it can't be easy. This is a short chapter, but it works, I think.
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# ? Apr 21, 2020 23:46 |
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Epicurius posted:What must it be like to deal with having to not just taking on an animal's shape but also its psyche? I'd assume it can't be easy. I'd assume that this is also the obstacle to morphing into another human. It would probably be like deliberately inviting an extremely nasty form of disassocative identity disorder on yourself.
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# ? Apr 22, 2020 02:16 |
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Cythereal posted:I'd assume that this is also the obstacle to morphing into another human. It would probably be like deliberately inviting an extremely nasty form of disassocative identity disorder on yourself. Well, when you morph into something, you don't gain its memories (with the exception of the first morph where Jake morphed into his dog and knew the smell of the neighbor dog, but I'm thinking that was just first book weirdness) You get the animal's instincts and reactions. So, if I were to morph into you, I don't know how different I'd feel. We're both people, we both have the same innate instincts and such.
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# ? Apr 22, 2020 02:27 |
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They do morph people later on but I don't think they address any psychological effects. Ax morphs a human and it's kind of a running joke that he has trouble controlling instincts that we don't even notice we have
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# ? Apr 22, 2020 05:39 |
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Cythereal posted:I'd assume that this is also the obstacle to morphing into another human. It would probably be like deliberately inviting an extremely nasty form of disassocative identity disorder on yourself.
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Daikloktos posted:When Visser One first infests a human she's amazed to find that each brain hemisphere is a different personality communicating across a bundle of nerves no thicker than her own true body I'm actually reading the Visser book at the moment. Ax is right when he refers to her as brilliant and dangerous. If she had been leading the invasion, it would have been over before they knew what had hit them. She is an absolute monster.
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The Visitor-Chapter 10quote:"You look tired," Jake said the next morning. We took the same bus to school. For all the problems that Rachel's got, and all the psychological strain of morphing, and the need to keep secrets, and the fact that she knows she's the front line of defense against an alien infiltration, at least she has Jake and the other animorphs who are in the same situation and know what it's like. Which, you know, is important. quote:I made my way down the bus aisle and ran to catch up to Melissa. But when I got close I saw that her eyes were red and swollen. She'd been crying. Melissa, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have anybody at all. quote:I walked up the steps of the school with my head lowered in thought. As I opened the school door, I ran right into someone. We were talking a little bit last time about the mental and psychological strain of being an animorph, but it occurs to me that there must be a bunch of psychological strain in being a Controller too. The Yeerk controlling Chapman is also trying to suppress a mind not entirely under his (her? its? Do Yeerks even have genders?) control with different instincts and impulses, who knows nothing of the simple pleasures of swimming in a pool of sludge with his fellow Yeers, absorbing and synthesizing nutrition from kandrona rays. And, for Chapman in particular, he's got to deal with humans all the time, every day. He can't let himself slip, or let his guard down, or surrender control at all to the mind of the body he's controlling. It's hard to be a Yeerk in the city. This is the sort of chapter that, honestly, I think I didn't pay attention to when I first read it. It doesn't really have to be there. It doesn't add a lot to the plot of the book or the lore of the universe. It's just Rachel interacting with three people. But reading it now, and thinking about it and what to write, I realize that it works for me as a great chapter. All three characters that Rachel meets are isolated from the people around them. First, Jake, because like Rachel, he's an animorph and bearing this terrible secret that he can't let anyone know about. But, what saves him from cracking up under the strain is his friends. He's able to say "We're all in this together." On the other hand, Chapman, who has his own terrible secret that isolates him from the people around him, which is that he's really an alien infiltrator working to take over the Earth. But, what keeps him going is his sense of his mission and also knowing that he's part of a larger force. And stuck in the middle of Melissa, who's also isolated, but doesn't know why, has neither friends or a cause to fall back on, and has nothing to keep her going. It's a much better chapter than it looks like at first reading, I think.
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 14:18 |
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I remember these books being huge at book fairs back in the day, but I never actually got into them. I feel like the sense of social alienation and mistrust would have really done a number on me. The Howling, Salem's Lot and a few vampire-centric episodes of "Are You Afraid of the Dark" really drilled a fear into me of a threat permeating innocuously until suddenly you're alone. I definitely had that sense that "something has changed, everyone's changed" when I was young, so that's pretty evocative. Admittedly, it's usual economic concerns, alcohol and "friends growing apart" that all kids experience, but drat if it doesn't fit seamlessly with the themes here.
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