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Apr 23, 2020 14:37
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loving A+
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Apr 23, 2020 14:45
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Does this mean Luna carted Dominic to werewolf land to cure his addiction to benvzos but just ends up putting him in a coma and turning his brain to pudding?
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Apr 23, 2020 14:52
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 Even the text is mostly copy-paste.
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Apr 24, 2020 01:30
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This poo poo sucks.
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Apr 24, 2020 01:46
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I envy the dead.
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Apr 24, 2020 01:53
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And with that I think I'm done for a few weeks. When the joke is "main character confused" because the author has intentionally provided no information. When the audience has no idea wtf you mean, you look at them directly and say "confused yet" you loving suck as a writer
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Apr 24, 2020 02:27
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This wouldn't be nearly so bad if it was updated daily like Mookie said it would be.
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Apr 24, 2020 02:29
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TheHan posted:
gently caress you
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Apr 24, 2020 04:32
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Nothing's happening, and nothing is going to happen.
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Apr 24, 2020 04:43
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Mookie made more porn https://twitter.com/mookiebean/status/1253366908818202624  
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Apr 24, 2020 04:49
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He makes just over $800 a month on Patreon, so there is some limited justice in this world.
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Apr 24, 2020 05:38
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Kavak posted:He makes just over $800 a month on Patreon, so there is some limited justice in this world. Star Power also makes $1319 a month, although I assume he shares that.
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Apr 24, 2020 05:44
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Kavak posted:He makes just over $800 a month on Patreon, so there is some limited justice in this world. oh poo poo I almost make as much as-- Rotten Red Rod posted:Star Power also makes $1319 a month, although I assume he shares that. gently caress
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Apr 24, 2020 06:08
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Apr 24, 2020 07:04
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Apr 24, 2020 09:20
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Kavak posted:He makes just over $800 a month on Patreon, so there is some limited justice in this world. I wish I made that much 
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Apr 24, 2020 10:03
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Yeah, 800 bucks a month is a pretty enviable patreon level for any webcomic made after the webcomic boom died down. There are some that definitely make a lot more, but those are mostly high-quality outliers, not the norm. EDIT: A good example is Ten Earth Shattering Blows, a comic that's currently #24 on topwebcomics, has an interesting story and really high quality art (and much better cheesecake) but only has 47 patrons, which probably works out to maybe 100-200$ per month, optimistically. Or Sword Interval, which is by an artist who was around during the 2000s webcomic boom and produces really high quality work but their patreon is still only 332 a month. Sad truth is Mookie is doing quite well compared to most comic artists. oriongates fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 12:36
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I think it's a good thing that our favourite lovely webcomic creator is able to make a living doing what he enjoys.
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Apr 24, 2020 13:17
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oriongates posted:Yeah, 800 bucks a month is a pretty enviable patreon level for any webcomic made after the webcomic boom died down. There are some that definitely make a lot more, but those are mostly high-quality outliers, not the norm. oh hey ten earth shattering blows looks pretty cool at a glance. Time to go reading
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Apr 24, 2020 13:29
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YF-23 posted:I think it's a good thing that our favourite lovely webcomic creator is able to make a living doing what he enjoys. I definitely don't begrudge anyone their success. It would just be nice if it wasn't so rare in the field. And you know, as someone with a comic themselves...it can be tough not to feel a little jealous. I'm not going to claim to be above that. It's only human.
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Apr 24, 2020 13:42
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Why would someone who spent his entire life living isolated nude in the desert suddenly give a poo poo about saying "freaking" instead of "loving" when this comic has used gently caress uncensored before.
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Apr 24, 2020 13:47
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YF-23 posted:I think it's a good thing that our favourite lovely webcomic creator is able to make a living doing what he enjoys. I disagree. I can't believe this fucker is still drawing Stonewater 20 years later. He really hasn't learned anything. Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 14:40
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My edit is nowhere near as sophisticated as Ague Proof's but I hope it amuses nonetheless.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:11
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Invisible Clergy posted:I disagree. I can't believe this fucker is still drawing Stonewater 20 years later. He really hasn't learned anything. Abolish Stonewater.
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Apr 24, 2020 15:58
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Invisible Clergy posted:I disagree. I can't believe this fucker is still drawing Stonewater 20 years later. He really hasn't learned anything. I don’t mind that people are willing to give him money for this-even though it is objectively garbage-but this part actually got me hosed up. He’s doing fawning happy ending art of Stonewater? If he knew any better and actually understood why Stonewater is his vilest creation Mookie would quietly forget Stonewater existed at BEST. What sort of madness would compel someone to constantly return to the biggest mistake of their 20 year career.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:09
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Mistake? He views it as one of his best character arcs and storylines!
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Apr 24, 2020 16:19
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TheHan posted:I don’t mind that people are willing to give him money for this-even though it is objectively garbage-but this part actually got me hosed up. He’s doing fawning happy ending art of Stonewater? If he knew any better and actually understood why Stonewater is his vilest creation Mookie would quietly forget Stonewater existed at BEST. What sort of madness would compel someone to constantly return to the biggest mistake of their 20 year career. Who What Now posted:Mistake? He views it as one of his best character arcs and storylines! Yes. This is why I'm always going to balk at any implication that he is harmless or that he has somehow moved past his worst traits, because it's just clearly not true, no matter how nice that would be for all of us.
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Apr 24, 2020 16:50
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I remember Mookie wrote something similar to wondering why there were heroic thieves and heroic murderers in fiction but no heroic rapists, and he wanted to deconstruct that. The phrase "sexy rapist" may have been used. 
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Apr 24, 2020 16:59
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Ague Proof posted:I remember Mookie wrote something similar to wondering why there were heroic thieves and heroic murderers in fiction but no heroic rapists, and he wanted to deconstruct that.  That displays such a deep misunderstanding of genre tropes, storytelling, and actual morality. I wouldn't know where to begin if I had to explain why mookie's wrong (in that usually it's obvious that heroic thieves and murderers are different than 'sexy rapists') to his face, but maybe I would start with deconstructing why 'robin hood' is a character.
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Apr 24, 2020 18:14
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Ague Proof posted:I remember Mookie wrote something similar to wondering why there were heroic thieves and heroic murderers in fiction but no heroic rapists, and he wanted to deconstruct that. The reason why we don't see that situation in good fiction is, of course, you can have to steal to eat, and you can kill someone on accident, but you don't just accidentally rape someone and if you're ever in a situation where you have to have sex to live, you're a) being coerced and b) it's still rape. EDIT: Of course better writers can set up a character arc where a character is genuinely a gigantic piece of poo poo and has an epiphany and spends time working to redeem themselves, but I actually feel like this character arc is impossible for Mookie because he doesn't write nuanced morality and he invests so much in characters he likes that he doesn't want to admit when they've been pieces of poo poo. If someone tried to do a proper Stonewater redemption arc, it'd still leave a bad taste in my mouth, but as far as I remember Mookie doesn't even do that, he doesn't acknowledge that there's something to really get redemption for, it's just, 'this character is a hero! he did something horrific as a kid! anyway, he's a hero, this is my hero character!' I've only read one work I liked where a character who committed sexual violations got any sort of 'redemption arc', it was a coercive and deliberately horrific situation where he had no sense of the morality bc of even worse environmental factors, and, most importantly, he was never actually treated as any sort of heroic character, just 'he doesn't do this outside of that environment'. And it still sickens me, because it's supposed to. PetraCore fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Apr 24, 2020 |
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Apr 24, 2020 19:13
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^: I'd be curious to see what that work is, if you don't mind sharing it. The treatment of Melna through the whole thing was also a factor, I think. As an adult, her trauma and pain was all about her family, not what she was put through personally (or at least not nearly as much). At one point she even refers to Stonewater as "my husband" in the final panel of one comic, and in the very next one she says "yeah that was just for dramatic effect", like Mookie had to literally say that himself to justify such a ridiculous statement. It was a very Jeph Jacques moment. The whole thing was COMPLETELY and utterly tone deaf to the thought processes and mannerisms of people who have lived through sexual trauma like that. She was treated as a mouthpiece for the whole "Stonewater is actually a HERO" idea, despite being the absolute worst possible candidate for it. Had Mookie shown any consideration whatsoever or done any research into the subject at all and had at the very least Melna's actions and thoughts be more believable and relatable, the whole thing would have at least read as more respectful, not just treating sexual violence as a callous creative writing exercise.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:27
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Safari Disco Lion posted:^: I'd be curious to see what that work is, if you don't mind sharing it.
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Apr 24, 2020 19:43
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Ague Proof posted:I remember Mookie wrote something similar to wondering why there were heroic thieves and heroic murderers in fiction but no heroic rapists, and he wanted to deconstruct that. Mercedes Lackey beat him to it. "Black Swan" is loving creepy in restropect which is a shame because i liked the plot about the sorceror's daughter coming to care for the swan maidens.
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Apr 24, 2020 21:30
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Lots of demons itt.
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Apr 24, 2020 21:31
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Ague Proof posted:Lots of demons itt. Sorry. My point was that it's a disgusting storyline.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:33
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Ague Proof posted:I remember Mookie wrote something similar to wondering why there were heroic thieves and heroic murderers in fiction but no heroic rapists, and he wanted to deconstruct that.
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Apr 24, 2020 23:34
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I couldn't even bring myself to try and redeem a character that was merely very sleazy, I can't imagine having the arrogance to think "I could pull off writing a sexy heroic rapist"
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Apr 25, 2020 02:03
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oriongates posted:Or Sword Interval, which is by an artist who was around during the 2000s webcomic boom and produces really high quality work but their patreon is still only 332 a month. Sword Interval is the tits, that's bullshit, Mookie should give them all of his money. Like PetraCore said, you can write heroic criminals and antiheroes, because sometimes bad things can be done for a greater good, or evil people can try to make amends, but there is no way for a story to reasonably redeem or even worse make a hero out of a rapist. It's like having a heroic animal torturer. There is no other side to that story but base cruelty and selfishness. It's one of the things that keeps me coming back to Dominic Deegan, the occasional hints that there's more than just a hack webcomic artist who refuses to develop or change at work here.
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Apr 25, 2020 06:24
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PetraCore posted:Sorry. My point was that it's a disgusting storyline. In DD, the only reason someone could have a problem with a rapist is if they're possessed by demons.
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Apr 25, 2020 06:41
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