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DrDork posted:Same. I mean the theoretical headroom is nice, and tests do show they can shave off a few seconds here and there, but in day to day use you're not going to notice the difference between a 10 second load time and a 9 second one. If you do any kind of big file transfers as part of your workflow they are worth their money.
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redeyes posted:If you do any kind of big file transfers as part of your workflow they are worth their money. I don't disagree, but for the vast majority of people the most intensive workload they've got is loading a bloated game like Destiny2 or something, rather than sustained transfer of multi-GB files for video editing or whatnot. If you know you have a workload that can regularly saturate a SATA link, then of course moving to a PCIe-based storage solution is going to be a good idea.
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DrDork posted:Except maybe in future games if the PS5/XBox actually makes use of their 5-9GBps drives. This may come to pass, but I have some doubts. The reason games on PC don't have much advantage from NVMe right now is that they're limited by the CPU processing data during loading. Storing data -- say a level in a FPS game -- in some format that doesn't need processing but dumps directly to ram would be astoundingly space inefficient. seravid posted:Excuse me, 1.1GB/s Yeah not bustin on you too hard, running a benchmark to see if you're getting expected results with new hardware is a fine thing to do. Being rid of cables is something I don't really get the desire for myself, but I don't have a window on my case so don't particularly care that it's ugly inside.
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Klyith posted:This may come to pass, but I have some doubts. The reason games on PC don't have much advantage from NVMe right now is that they're limited by the CPU processing data during loading. Storing data -- say a level in a FPS game -- in some format that doesn't need processing but dumps directly to ram would be astoundingly space inefficient. Yeah, I think the real question will end up being whether or not any performance gained by using the compressed SSD performance to dump back and forth straight to RAM can be offset on a PC by simply having more than 16GB RAM to start with. Especially since the XBox's theoretical numbers aren't all that much higher than a good existing NVMe drive.
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redeyes posted:If you do any kind of big file transfers as part of your workflow they are worth their money. Sure is - I'm not even moving that big files around (600MB or so, PSDs, Adobe files etc), and it's near instant on NVME. I'd notice many times a day running a SATA drive.
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Lol pcie SSDs should have helped consumer cable management but DIY PCs these days still look like hot garbage even without drive cables and optical drives. Then again most anything DIY looks like crap so I shouldn’t hold PCs up to a different standard but the makers and standards aren’t helping. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 25, 2020 |
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I hate that m.2 is really the main form factor for desktop pcie drives, I’m alright with some cables just give me affordable u.2/u.3 drives!
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I dunno, going from an 840 EVO to an SX8200 felt like a jump to hyperspace...
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DrDork posted:That said, not having to deal with cables is super nice, but I wouldn't pay more than a $10-$20 premium for it, myself. The upcoming PCIe4 drives are gonna have silly high bandwidth and it just won't matter for normal people at all. Except maybe in future games if the PS5/XBox actually makes use of their 5-9GBps drives. seravid posted:P.S. the main reason I bought a NVMe drive instead of yet another SATA ssd was to get rid of the cables (also it cost pretty much the same) Klyith posted:Being rid of cables is something I don't really get the desire for myself, but I don't have a window on my case so don't particularly care that it's ugly inside. Not having cables can be a benefit, but m.2 is not synonymous with NVMe; there are of course m.2 SATA drives that would satisfy the "no cables" requirement, but the discussion was about NVMe vs. SATA in terms of performance. I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but you guys are the ones having the discussion and then you act like you don't know this poo poo. 
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Atomizer posted:Not having cables can be a benefit, but m.2 is not synonymous with NVMe; there are of course m.2 SATA drives that would satisfy the "no cables" requirement, but the discussion was about NVMe vs. SATA in terms of performance. I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but you guys are the ones having the discussion and then you act like you don't know this poo poo. that's why priznat brought up U.2 drives   nvme through a cable, how crazy is that poo poo!
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Atomizer posted:I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but you guys are the ones having the discussion and then you act like you don't know this poo poo. Yeah, you're right there's a technical difference, but we're at the point where you actually have to look and intentionally search to find a SATA m.2 drive. Similarly, while u.2 drives do exist, no one is putting them in a normal case where conversations about aesthetics are relevant. I don't think anyone was confused about the pedantic technically you're pointing out.
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priznat posted:Personally hoping for consumer adoption of EDSFF I just want everything to be toolless cartridges. EVERYTHING.
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DrDork posted:Yeah, you're right there's a technical difference, but we're at the point where you actually have to look and intentionally search to find a SATA m.2 drive. Similarly, while u.2 drives do exist, no one is putting them in a normal case where conversations about aesthetics are relevant. Actually, confusion around this topic comes up pretty frequently in tech support threads, if you were paying attention, so if you know the distinction then it wouldn't hurt to act like it at least for the sake of the less knowledgeable users who actually seek assistance. (Additionally, I ignored the topic of u.2 because they're not a factor in the consumer market.) And I don't know what you're talking about regarding having to "intentionally search" for SATA m.2 SSDs; isn't that what you do when you want to find a specific product?  Do you find yourself accidentally searching for things? Do you sleep search?
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Bob Morales posted:The only thing I have ever noticed the power of nvme with is copying data store files on an esxi homelab server. I noticed that it gave me an extra drive attached to this mobo when the sata ports were used up!  (also when i get un-lazy again ill have a few vms and at least one sql server running)
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Shaocaholica posted:I just want everything to be toolless cartridges. EVERYTHING. Forget it on consumer when PSU makers can't even standardize modular cables to save their lives.
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seravid posted:So I've got a new MP510 and I think something's not right here... I didn’t see anyone mention this so I’ll go ahead and reply a little late. That drive is a good 2/3rds full. That will affect the amount of SLC mode cache available from the start. Generally an empty drive can have several times the amount of cache available than one which is mostly full.
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buffbus posted:I didn’t see anyone mention this so I’ll go ahead and reply a little late. That drive is a good 2/3rds full. That will affect the amount of SLC mode cache available from the start. Generally an empty drive can have several times the amount of cache available than one which is mostly full. Really? I wasn't aware of that. Figured the amount of cache was fixed.
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seravid posted:Really? I wasn't aware of that. Figured the amount of cache was fixed. I was only able to find notes which state yours is “dynamic” like mine, no specific numbers. My 970 evo+ ranges from 6gb when nearly full to 42gb when empty. Assume most others scale similarly.
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So a bunch of parents from school myself included are refurbishing old recycled laptops for kids/families in our district during the quarantine. Most of the laptops are great performers but just need to be upgraded from HDDs. Most are SATA2 and a handful might be SATA1. What budget friendly SSDs should I put in them 128-256G is plenty. New or OEM used is fine as well. I have time to hunt stuff down. Just looking for recommendations on what are good models to keep an eye out for and what to stay away from. Under $50 per SSD would be good. Under $40 even better. Probably need 10-12 right now but could be more in the future. I already got some OEM used mSATA SSDs for cheap but that dried up at the price point that made sense since the 2.5” adapters cost an additional $10. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Shaocaholica posted:So a bunch of parents from school myself included are refurbishing old recycled laptops for kids/families in our district during the quarantine. Most of the laptops are great performers but just need to be upgraded from HDDs. Most are SATA2 and a handful might be SATA1. What budget friendly SSDs should I put in them 128-256G is plenty. New or OEM used is fine as well. I have time to hunt stuff down. Just looking for recommendations on what are good models to keep an eye out for and what to stay away from. Under $50 per SSD would be good. Under $40 even better. Probably need 10-12 right now but could be more in the future. Staples has had some HP drives and Best Buy had PNY drives for like $21 recently (128GB).
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Shaocaholica posted:So a bunch of parents from school myself included are refurbishing old recycled laptops for kids/families in our district during the quarantine. Most of the laptops are great performers but just need to be upgraded from HDDs. Most are SATA2 and a handful might be SATA1. What budget friendly SSDs should I put in them 128-256G is plenty. New or OEM used is fine as well. I have time to hunt stuff down. Just looking for recommendations on what are good models to keep an eye out for and what to stay away from. Under $50 per SSD would be good. Under $40 even better. Probably need 10-12 right now but could be more in the future. The ADATA SU800 would be a good option. It's one of the few <$50 SSDs that have a DRAM cache that make them more suitable for boot drives. Amazon and NewEgg both have the 256GB versions for $40 and the 128GB version for ~$30. The <$30 drives almost universally do not have a DRAM cache. If price is that much of a factor, it's not like they won't work, but they'll provide a worse user experience when run as a boot drive. Still way better than a HDD, though.
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^^e eh for donation level laptops I don't know that dram is a requirement in the leastShaocaholica posted:What budget friendly SSDs should I put in them 128-256G is plenty. New or OEM used is fine as well. Kids are gonna want minecraft and fortnight so the 240 might be nice, a 120 is like half-gone just from windows and regular apps. (Minecraft is tiny but the saves can get pretty big.) quote:Just looking for recommendations on what are good models to keep an eye out for and what to stay away from. There were a couple of Toshiba-brand OEM drives that were so slow that they were almost HDD speed, made specifically so laptops could be be advertised as having SSDs. So look skeptically at those I guess.
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Klyith posted:^^e eh for donation level laptops I don't know that dram is a requirement in the least I mean, yeah, but for a $5 difference you might as well, unless it's the difference between being able to buy them at all or not.
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Rich white collar parents all chipping in so it’s not a huge make or break situation but I def want to get the most value and not leave any performance on the table either.
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Shaocaholica posted:Rich white collar parents all chipping in so it’s not a huge make or break situation but I def want to get the most value and not leave any performance on the table either. Ok, then those SU800s! Or if you live within range of a microcenter, the Inland Pro drives have dram and are a great deal, you just can only get them in-store pickup.
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For a user who games and uses Chrome a lot, with absolutely no workflow outside of Word, is there a real difference between the cheaper NVME drives and the more expensive models? I picked up a 512GB 970 Plus as an OS drive about a year ago and I'd like more storage for the massive games out there. The 1TB 970 Plus is almost twice as expensive in the UK as the 1TB WD Blue. I don't mind paying the extra if it will make a real world difference but it's hard to make out from reviews whether the advantages of the more expensive gear extend beyond benchmarking and specialist usage.
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SuperTeeJay posted:For a user who games and uses Chrome a lot, with absolutely no workflow outside of Word, is there a real difference between the cheaper NVME drives and the more expensive models? You won't notice a difference, especially if you're planning on using it as a game drive. Hell, you could very likely drop down to a SATA SSD and not really notice all that much. Certainly for 2x the price, the 970 isn't worth it unless you're running databases off it or something.
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I bought a 16GB optane stick for $10 but couldn't get the caching poo poo to work on my existing windows installation so now it just holds my page file and chrome cache. My chrome flies
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Is it a bad idea to create a second partition on my system disk to use as a cache (for PrimoCache)? I have a second SSD sitting around but it's much smaller.
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SuperTeeJay posted:For a user who games and uses Chrome a lot, with absolutely no workflow outside of Word, is there a real difference between the cheaper NVME drives and the more expensive models? Uninstall Chrome and your computer will compute better. Chrome is a pig. Or maybe it got better. I avoid it like the
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TOOT BOOT posted:Is it a bad idea to create a second partition on my system disk to use as a cache (for PrimoCache)? I have a second SSD sitting around but it's much smaller. PrimoCache is intended to cache disk activity that otherwise would go to a HDD--if you have a HDD in your system for whatever reason that you frequently access, then yes, it would help speed up those accesses the same way simply having the data installed on your system SSD would, though obviously only up to the amount of space that you dedicated to the cache. If you've got an entire second SSD sitting around, why not toss that in there and either just install whatever games you're currently playing on that, instead of the HDD? Or you could devote the entire SSD to cache if it's like some 64GB deal.
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WhyteRyce posted:I bought a 16GB optane stick for $10 but couldn't get the caching poo poo to work on my existing windows installation so now it just holds my page file and chrome cache. Thats slightly hilarious. I also have a 16GB Optane and was trying to come up with a way to use it. DUH. Perfect for a swap. Thanks.
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DrDork posted:PrimoCache is intended to cache disk activity that otherwise would go to a HDD--if you have a HDD in your system for whatever reason that you frequently access, then yes, it would help speed up those accesses the same way simply having the data installed on your system SSD would, though obviously only up to the amount of space that you dedicated to the cache. That's how I'm going to be using it, I'm caching a 5TB drive, I just need to know whether it's going to be too detrimental to performance to have the cache partition and the system partition on the same physical drive.
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TOOT BOOT posted:That's how I'm going to be using it, I'm caching a 5TB drive, I just need to know whether it's going to be too detrimental to performance to have the cache partition and the system partition on the same physical drive. Seems like they would kill your performance on a spinner Back in the old days it was recommended to put your swap file or scratch drive as a different physical drive
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TOOT BOOT posted:That's how I'm going to be using it, I'm caching a 5TB drive, I just need to know whether it's going to be too detrimental to performance to have the cache partition and the system partition on the same physical drive. Nah, it shouldn't impact things much. If the cache software isn't utterly stupid, it waits to do the shuffling around of "new" data from the HDD -> cache until your system is relatively idle, so it shouldn't interrupt your normal activities. Bob Morales posted:Seems like they would kill your performance on a spinner I believe he's setting a cache up on his system SSD, not on a HDD. Otherwise, yeah, putting a cache on a spinner is a pointless exercise these days if you've got SSDs available.
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