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Ah thank god, first Hifumi rank unlocks the ability to switch party members during a fight. I was starting to wonder if my memory of that being a feature was wrong. I really could have used that during the Kaneshiro fight. I hosed up and didn't bring a persona with Media and left Morgana out of my party. edit: I've been playing with JP voices this time, and it's interesting to see the ones that sound significantly different than the English VAs. Most are about as as close to a direct 1:1 match as you can get through the language difference, but Hifumi sounds quite different, as does Kawakami. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Ytlaya posted:I'm now at the point where the romantic rejections start to begin. Kawakami is first (though IIRC most of the adult options aren't hitting on you, so you don't really have to reject them). Ann is great and it's a shame her confidant is so bad. Pick her or Kawakami. Joker is hot for teacher. 
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TheLoser posted:Even with that, I was struggling to kill the big green dudes in just two turns with baton passes between Haru and Joker in hard mode. Ironically, that part of the fight is way easier on merciless until your entire party gets wiped at the end. I had a lot of Psy Magatama just in my bags, so instead of baton passing from Joker to Haru I'd run through the team. It also helps if you buy a Psy ability ring or otherwise get one. Each pass massively increases the damage of the next. So eventually with Joker I could explode the entire group with one Mapsio.
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Just started this. I remember in persona 4 there was a point where if you didnt go the correct way through some dialogue you got stuck on a path to a bad ending. Is there anything like that here? And if so can anyone try to hint at where I might want to make sure I keep a backup save with minimal spoilers?
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Apr 26, 2020 13:47
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Mainwaring posted:Just started this. I remember in persona 4 there was a point where if you didnt go the correct way through some dialogue you got stuck on a path to a bad ending. Is there anything like that here? And if so can anyone try to hint at where I might want to make sure I keep a backup save with minimal spoilers? There are three points in this version where you can get a "bad end". The first one is at the point where the game is no longer a flashback. The second two are obvious during the new content.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:41
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Perfect, thanks
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Mainwaring posted:Just started this. I remember in persona 4 there was a point where if you didnt go the correct way through some dialogue you got stuck on a path to a bad ending. Is there anything like that here? And if so can anyone try to hint at where I might want to make sure I keep a backup save with minimal spoilers? The game literally breaks the fourth wall with an announcement and says "HEY YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A SAVE SOMETHING IMPORTANT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN! HERE LET ME TAKE YOU TO THE SAVE SCREEN! HINT HINT!" Before anything like that happens.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:49
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So, are the anime adaptations of the Persona games any good?
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radlum posted:So, are the anime adaptations of the Persona games any good? Then there was Persona -trinity soul- but we don't talk about that one. Okay, there was some nice music in it as well. edit: Oh yeah, I forgot the Persona 3 movies existed. I guess they're a good way to get the Persona 3 story without actually playing Persona 3, and they also have great soundtracks. DMorbid fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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Apr 26, 2020 16:01
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radlum posted:So, are the anime adaptations of the Persona games any good? In a 'it's fun to watch this scene I like animated' kind of way, at least in regards to the original Persona 4 anime, but I wouldn't call it must-see. I've never seen the P5 stuff or those P3 movies, although the above take seems to be the consensus.
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If they're going to push Yoshizawa as the canon love interest this heavily maybe, just maybe, they should have not locked her romance options behind the bulk of a 100+ hour RPG? Still, I'm having fun with this, at least.
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Doc M posted:Not really. The original P4: The Animation is pretty fun and does some good stuff with the protagonist's characterization, but the P4 Golden anime is mostly trash and the P5 anime is just kind of pointless and does nothing interesting with the source material. All of them have some really nice music, though. P4G was an interesting adaptation at least because it is presented as NG+ (and assumes you watched the original P4 anime), and it did a decent job of focusing on the Marie storyline without seeming like a tack-on like it did in the game. The P3 movies were pretty good, but they were released so far apart (and so long after P3FES/P3P were released) that a lot of people I know just ignored them. Persona ~Trinity Soul~ was....weird. I don't remember too much from it, but my fading impression was it had some interesting concepts. (It tried to expand on the forced persona manifesting drugs, IIRC, and adult Akihiko is a side character.) But it just seemed to spin its wheels for 20 episodes, and none of the new characters were interesting at all. Plus, to be perfectly honest, I'm not a fan of the Persona 3-onward cutscene animation style. It reminds me of late-90's/early-00's style kind of like Lain but without any of the personality. Never watched the P5 anime, but I heard it was incredibly mediocre. I'd probably watch a P5R adaptation, though, if they handled it like P4G and focus on the new stuff. Worldwalker_Pure posted:If they're going to push Yoshizawa as the canon love interest this heavily maybe, just maybe, they should have not locked her romance options behind the bulk of a 100+ hour RPG? It's an interesting way to get a lot of people who never saw it before to do the bachelor Christmas party. It's super 
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I'm in the US and just got the code emailed to me for beating the Pyramid palace, it has themes and avatars for Futaba, Makota and Yusuke. I beat it a few days ago. It may require having your privacy settings for trophies set to public, I remember doing that a while back for the Horizon Zero Dawn platinum trophy theme.
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Mementos has suddenly started becoming extremely lucrative. I'm going full money/item boosts (the item boosts are especially nice; I think that, at least relatively early, they translate into more money than the actual money boost - stuff like life stones or crafting items sell for like 1-3k normal). I'm ignoring XP boosts because I already feel like I'm starting to become a bit over-leveled. I'm currently 29 after Kaneshiro, which is like 3 levels higher than the highest level mob in Kaneshiro's palace. I haven't even done any grinding, outside of fully doing the palaces and fully exploring Mementos floors. I've also learned that this whole "fusing persona during a siren" thing is another kind of broken mechanic, depending upon how you use it. I fused a level 28 thing with Bufudyne and some "Massive" physical damage skill (the skills changed to those). A broken fusion also resulted in this extremely ridiculous Shiisaa full of moves that are way too strong for a level 17-18 Persona. Cuntellectual posted:Ann is great and it's a shame her confidant is so bad. Kawakami is a similar deal to Ann in the sense that I like her in the main story but don't care for the maid thing (though at least Kawakami's confidante story is actually pretty good). AlternateNu posted:It's an interesting way to get a lot of people who never saw it before to do the bachelor Christmas party. It's super I've watched some of the scenes for options I don't plan on doing on Youtube, and it seems like the bachelor ones actually have the most content. The bachelor ones are especially funny in light of the fact that the protagonist has rejected like 3/4 of the women in his life at that point.
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Worldwalker_Pure posted:If they're going to push Yoshizawa as the canon love interest this heavily maybe, just maybe, they should have not locked her romance options behind the bulk of a 100+ hour RPG? It doesn’t help that she has absolutely nothing to do with basically the entire plot or any other characters before New Years. I legit forgot about her by the time she showed up in the casino. Or that you really have to move if you hope to squeeze her into your packed New Years schedule. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Apr 26, 2020 |
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I was watching the "romanced everyone" scene and it's hilarious that apparently Soujirou actually goes out and somehow convinces all the girlfriends that you aren't cheating on them, even though they all showed up at the same time thinking they were your girlfriend. I get the impression Soujirou was quite the ladykiller in his youth.
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Ytlaya posted:I get the impression Soujirou was quite the ladykiller in his youth.
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Ytlaya posted:I was watching the "romanced everyone" scene and it's hilarious that apparently Soujirou actually goes out and somehow convinces all the girlfriends that you aren't cheating on them, even though they all showed up at the same time thinking they were your girlfriend. He even does it if Futaba is one of the girls who shows up, which uh, okay. And yeah it's pretty heavily implied that Sojiro was something of a playboy prior to meeting Wakabe and there's some new content at the very very end of the game that reaffirms this to an extent.
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Apr 26, 2020 19:56
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hoo boy also he saves your rear end on white day and turns "oh poo poo joker forgot" into "wow joker did literally everything perfectly" sojiro owns so hard
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Apr 26, 2020 20:21
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THF13 posted:I'm in the US and just got the code emailed to me for beating the Pyramid palace, it has themes and avatars for Futaba, Makota and Yusuke. I beat it a few days ago. It may require having your privacy settings for trophies set to public, I remember doing that a while back for the Horizon Zero Dawn platinum trophy theme. I’m in Canada and I haven’t received any code for Pyramid palace, but I did receive 2 for beating the game. Which sucks because I don’t really care a whole lot about the characters in those. I’m using the Yoshizawa theme but I’d love the one for Makoto.
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Apr 26, 2020 20:22
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also pretty sure that jokers canon love interest is his houseplant
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Apr 26, 2020 20:23
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Maruki, I'm pretty sure that the human brain cannot actually store infinite memories.
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Apr 26, 2020 20:35
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Beat the boss of the second palace in one try with HP and SP to spare. I summoned one DLC, Kaguya, because it was three levels lower than me so I thought that seemed fair but even mediarama alone was pretty OP I’m still getting the sense for the games lexicon but where I am now “medium” seems to actually mean “a ton, proportionate to your small health pool”
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Apr 26, 2020 20:54
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The thing is, the only healing spells stronger than Mediarama just straight up set your HP to full. Mediarama at the level Kaguya is at is loving busted.
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Apr 26, 2020 21:10
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Fojar38 posted:also pretty sure that jokers canon love interest is his houseplant It looks pretty healthy for now.
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Frog Act posted:Beat the boss of the second palace in one try with HP and SP to spare. I summoned one DLC, Kaguya, because it was three levels lower than me so I thought that seemed fair but even mediarama alone was pretty OP I think mediarama is ~150 healing baseline? It's meant to be useful until you get mediarahan (full heal) when the max HP pools start reaching 3 hundreds to 4 hundreds. At level 16? Yeah that's way before the curve, the damage output is balanced against media and/or diarama. The DLC personas are all utterly broken in their own ways. They're not created equal, of course, but it's the difference between first and eight place at the Olympiads.
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Apr 26, 2020 21:33
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I've always found mediarama generally sufficient even in the endgame of Persona 4 and 5 and now in Royal as well. It's even better in Royal with Morgana's trait.
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Apr 26, 2020 21:37
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I was originally going to wait and romance Kasumi to see the new content but I only ever did Makoto's romance in Vanilla and I just bumbled into the date with Hifumi in Hawaii and it was adorable. Why is she not a party member.
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Makoto is great but her social link is very lame. The first arcade visit is good and fun but after that she really doesn't have any sort of interesting personality traits - the link is barely even about her. Like, you might as well just cut Makoto out of the link entirely and have it be about the friend, since she's the one who actually has a conflict and resolution and character development. Makoto wants to learn more about her peers, but has correctly identified her new friend's problem by rank 4 and then you have to spend 6 more ranks retreading the exact same conversation over and over, during which time Makoto never is wrong or has to come to terms with anything and learns nothing. Hifumi's social link is way cooler and shows off a lot more personality and you want to solve her problem because her problem makes her upset and Hifumi loving rules when she's happy and is playing shoji against you. I think this time around I've started to rank in my head the social link dates based on how much the girl actually seems to like Joker, and Hifumi is very high on that list. I think my list would be Kasumi in clear first, and then I'd need to get in a fight to sort out 2-5 between Futaba, Haru, Chihaya, and Hifumi. Ann after that, then there's a big gap before you hit all the rest who you ask them out and they say "eh, okay" RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 27, 2020 |
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I'm about 15 hours into a replay and am starting to get to the romance options I avoided last run. Holy crap, I forgot how creepy the confession for Ann's link is. She's crying over her friend, and you just waltz over and squeeze her and kiss her while she's stammering.  It's almost as bad as Futaba's.RazzleDazzleHour posted:I think this time around I've started to rank in my head the social link dates based on how much the girl actually seems to like Joker, and Hifumi is very high on that list. I think my list would be Kasumi in clear first, and then I'd need to get in a fight to sort out 2-5 between Futaba, Haru, Chihaya, and Hifumi. Ann after that, then there's a big gap before you hit all the rest who you ask them out and they say "eh, okay" Haru is definitely #2, and Makoto is probably #3, even though it feels like Makoto was supposed to be the canon interest before Yoshizawa. Chihaya and Hifumi are about equal. Futaba doesn't know what she's talking about. Considering the rest, I'm surprised there wasn't an option to court Sae in Royal. 
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I summoned Kaguya outright early because I was on hard and wanted the safety net whilst doing Kamoshida's Castle. In general though I'm only touching DLC Persona when I can fuse them properly, which makes for fun times. I also usually try and have the Picaro versions because they look super cool.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Makoto is great but her social link is very lame. The first arcade visit is good and fun but after that she really doesn't have any sort of interesting personality traits - the link is barely even about her. Like, you might as well just cut Makoto out of the link entirely and have it be about the friend, since she's the one who actually has a conflict and resolution and character development. Makoto wants to learn more about her peers, but has correctly identified her new friend's problem by rank 4 and then you have to spend 6 more ranks retreading the exact same conversation over and over, during which time Makoto never is wrong or has to come to terms with anything and learns nothing. Hifumi's social link is way cooler and shows off a lot more personality and you want to solve her problem because her problem makes her upset and Hifumi loving rules when she's happy and is playing shoji against you. I mean if nothing else her social link is emblematic of her role in the entire game. Since Makato has to be the smart voice of reason character she's basically never wrong about anything that matters and just kinda gets dragged into bad situations via the rest of the group disregarding her caution. Her arc is also pretty much wrapped up after her palace which means outside of some select moments in Sae's palace she feels static in a way none of the other group members do. It doesn't help either that she has the most tenuous connection to her palace's villain out of the whole group: Kaneshiro is a piece of poo poo and temporarily has her under their thumb, but they have zero connection to Makoto prior. I mean I don't think Makoto is a bad character - she's fine - but imo she's the weakest member of the group which makes it really unfortunate that the game gives her loving mountains of dialogue above and beyond even the rest of the thieves. quote:I think this time around I've started to rank in my head the social link dates based on how much the girl actually seems to like Joker, and Hifumi is very high on that list. I think my list would be Kasumi in clear first, and then I'd need to get in a fight to sort out 2-5 between Futaba, Haru, Chihaya, and Hifumi. Ann after that, then there's a big gap before you hit all the rest who you ask them out and they say "eh, okay" Kasumi and Haru definitely take Joker rejecting them the hardest.
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The fact that Makoto largely has her poo poo together is why she is the top tier romance option though
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Makoto is basically this game's Naoto in that she needs to be smart because the game needs a smart character to help advance the plot. But, just like with Naoto, it makes for a boring social link when the central conflict is totally manufactured and inconsequential. For reference Naoto is the best romance option in P4 though, just like Makoto is otherwise top-tier outside from her very boring slink Ann doesn't take the rejection too bad but the setup to the rejection is a huge two-hand-hanger dunk line. Makoto is I think much farther down the list, I never got any sense of chemistry between the two in the link itself, but I also agree that Slink Makoto and main plot Makoto are very different. Chihaya explicitly asks you if you like older women and behaves very much like Hifumi does if you go on any optional dates with her after the link ends, but even during the link you have a major impact on her. Also I'll continue to argue that Futaba isn't so autistic that she can't make decisions for herself and saying that Joker is 'grooming' her is loving weird
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AlternateNu posted:I'm about 15 hours into a replay and am starting to get to the romance options I avoided last run. Joker walks over and hugs Ann to console her while she cries. She’s the one that blurts out “I love you” out of the blue and who pursues it after that. Not sure how you got that interpretation out of her scene.
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Geostomp posted:Joker walks over and hugs Ann to console her while she cries. She’s the one that blurts out “I love you” out of the blue and who pursues it after that. Not sure how you got that interpretation out of her scene.  I don't know why I pigeon holed that as you saying it first.
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Well, I reached the Palace 5 boss and wowsers. It felt like I was misunderstanding a fundamental game mechanic I guess the "proper" way to beat those green robot bastards would be to have two party members use a Psy item + Baton Pass, then Baton to Haru, then Baton to Joker to a mapsi? I just couldn't output enough damage in two turns despite being in the mid-40s and sleepwalking the rest of the dungeon. Also items can *miss* (which I did not know!!) and don't power up with a Baton Pass I finally just switched it up to Merciless and beat it effortlessly. What a strangely designed boss. Palaces 2 and 3 did some fun things with Baton Pass / weakness management, so it's not like they don't know *how* to do it... My advice is to listen to everyone else and just do it on Merciless. It's a very long and frustrating boss fight to retry, and it's really not worth doing the 'proper' way
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Geostomp posted:Joker walks over and hugs Ann to console her while she cries. She’s the one that blurts out “I love you” out of the blue and who pursues it after that. Not sure how you got that interpretation out of her scene. Yeah I think the lines of dialogue actually leading up to that happening are Ann crying when Shiho leaves and she says "Now I don't have anyone" and your options are "I'm still here" or "You still have everyone else" and then if you pick the first option she says "You're right, you've always been here for me, I love you".
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WarpDogs posted:Well, I reached the Palace 5 boss and wowsers. It felt like I was misunderstanding a fundamental game mechanic Almost, ideally you start on someone who isn't Haru/Joker, pass twice to Haru with items, Haru then pops all 4 with a Psi/o ability and passes to Joker who Mapsi/os the lot.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:Yeah I think the lines of dialogue actually leading up to that happening are Ann crying when Shiho leaves and she says "Now I don't have anyone" and your options are "I'm still here" or "You still have everyone else" and then if you pick the first option she says "You're right, you've always been here for me, I love you". On his first playthrough, my husband thought that "You still have everyone else" sounded too weak, so he accidently ended up dating Ann. He wasn't happy with that.
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