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bessantj posted:While we're at it is there a crossover that is considered "the best"? Obviously the Clone Saga is out it's too good but otherwise anything from DC or Marvel? JLA/Avengers. That's the kind you meant, right?
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Yvonmukluk posted:JLA/Avengers. Was that good? I've never read it.
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Apr 26, 2020 12:52
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bessantj posted:Was that good? I've never read it. It's easily the best inter-company crossover every printed.
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Apr 26, 2020 12:52
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Rhyno posted:It's easily the best inter-company crossover every printed. Is that a high bar? How many "inter-company crossovers" have there even been? I wonder if it happens much in the manga world.
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Apr 26, 2020 13:01
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bessantj posted:Is that a high bar? How many "inter-company crossovers" have there even been? I wonder if it happens much in the manga world. There's been dozens. Many just from Marvel and DC, some are quite good even. But JLA/Avengers does set the bar very high.
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Apr 26, 2020 13:03
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bessantj posted:Is that a high bar? How many "inter-company crossovers" have there even been? I wonder if it happens much in the manga world. It's not a high bar, but JLA/Avengers is the intercompany crossover that I would call great. There's a few more that are arguably fun. A few that have some interesting moments or nice art. JLA/Avengers is actually good.
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Apr 26, 2020 14:25
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JLA/Avengers is done by Busiek who has such a great knowledge and love for both properties that it clearly shows on the page. It really is a great story that has something for fans of both books. Speaking of crossovers I remember the Batman/Spiderman crossover being....not great (Carnage and Joker being the villains should tell you what you need to know). Also Punisher/Azbats kind of sucked too. Never read the sequel for it so no idea how that stacks up. How are the Batman vs Aliens/predator crossovers? Are they worth hunting down?
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Apr 26, 2020 17:20
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Do we have a thread that is about panels or images that make you go "why would you do this, what were they thinking?" I mean, without Greg Land, everything he draws is horrible.
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Apr 26, 2020 17:27
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Siegkrow posted:Do we have a thread that is about panels or images that make you go "why would you do this, what were they thinking?" “Draws” there’s the bad/good art thread
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Apr 26, 2020 17:44
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Madkal posted:Speaking of crossovers I remember the Batman/Spiderman crossover being....not great (Carnage and Joker being the villains should tell you what you need to know). Also Punisher/Azbats kind of sucked too. Never read the sequel for it so no idea how that stacks up. You have to clarify, there's two of each of those. One from each company. One of each is bad, and the other is really bad. But you have to figure out which is which.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:43
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Madkal posted:JLA/Avengers is done by Busiek who has such a great knowledge and love for both properties that it clearly shows on the page. It really is a great story that has something for fans of both books. There was also a Spider-Man/Batman with Ras Al Ghul and Kingpin. It was nothing to write home about. The Azbats/Punisher crossover wasn’t terrible. It was still Denny O’Neil and Barry Kitson. Batman/Daredevil was much more forgettable than a crossover between those two should have been. Scott McDaniel was a good choice for the art, but Two Face and Mr Hyde being the villains was too clever when they should have went with crowd pleasers. JLA/Avengers should be essential reading for a fan of either team. It’s not just a good crossover, it’s an excellent comic in its own right, masterfully done by two of the best in the business. This was also sort of the last hoorah for the more traditional Avengers. Five months after this finished, the Avengers were Disassembled.
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Apr 26, 2020 18:45
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Madkal posted:JLA/Avengers is done by Busiek who has such a great knowledge and love for both properties that it clearly shows on the page. It really is a great story that has something for fans of both books. I only read one of the Batman vs Predator serieses that came out (I think it was the third one? There was Robin and the Predator had a younger Predator partner) but as a much younger man I thought it was loving awesome, no clue if it holds up I just remember the Predator couldn't see Victor Freeze outside the suit because of his body temperature and I thought that was rad as hell. Also a Predator got in the batcave and Alfred had to hold it off with a shotgun until the dynamic duo could arrive
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Apr 26, 2020 20:13
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I'm late to the Walt talk but the guy is a loving machine. My older brother got $5 pencil sketch from him at a con way back when his Thor was still coming out and it was basically ink ready. At that same con Sergio Aragones signed my Groo #1 for free and actually talked to us about stuff and even though I was hella young I was blown away by how nice a guy he was.
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Apr 26, 2020 22:36
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Open Marriage Night posted:JLA/Avengers should be essential reading for a fan of either team. It’s not just a good crossover, it’s an excellent comic in its own right, masterfully done by two of the best in the business. This was also sort of the last hoorah for the more traditional Avengers. Five months after this finished, the Avengers were Disassembled. Have there been any Marvel/DC crossover comics since then? And Spider_amn/Batman was quasi-canonical, because the Joker from that crossover was the Joker in the temporarily-canonical Marvel vs DC/DC vs Marvel series. (Though by the time that happened, Peter Parker had been swapped out for Ben Reily. and Ben wound up pretending to be Peter during the crossover, if I recall correctly.) Assuming, of course, that you can take the Joker at his word.
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Apr 26, 2020 23:04
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JLA/Avengers was it, and it’s pretty amazing it even managed to come out. Things have gotten way too corporate for either company to sign off on another one. At least they ended with the best one. I recommend people check out the Marvel vs DC and Amalgam trading card sets. There are some cool pairings that never appeared in the comics.
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Apr 26, 2020 23:34
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I still remember thinking a Batman/Wolverine amalgam fighting a Joker/Sabretooth amalgam was the hottest poo poo to ever happen to comics
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Apr 26, 2020 23:57
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Even as a teen I thought Wolverine and Batman were a really bad fit to amalgam together.
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Apr 27, 2020 01:21
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Skwirl posted:That era of X-books would probably have a lot more acclaim if there wasn't Greg Land doing the art. Senior Woodchuck posted:That issue also has a cool backup about a planet that sees the bullet coming toward it, their society kind of goes apeshit at the impending apocalypse, and then it passes through them and everybody has to deal with "oh, we're all still here".
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Apr 27, 2020 01:32
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Open Marriage Night posted:JLA/Avengers was it, and it’s pretty amazing it even managed to come out. Things have gotten way too corporate for either company to sign off on another one. At least they ended with the best one. It's less "things got too corporate " and more "Joe Quesada took some wildly unnecessary shots at DC and they took it poorly".
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Apr 27, 2020 03:54
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El Gallinero Gros posted:It's less "things got too corporate " and more "Joe Quesada took some wildly unnecessary shots at DC and they took it poorly". He really loved calling them "AOL Comics" because of their corporate ownership.
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Apr 27, 2020 04:14
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Time makes fools of us all...
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Apr 27, 2020 04:20
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Lurdiak posted:Even as a teen I thought Wolverine and Batman were a really bad fit to amalgam together. But in the hypothetical sequel you could amalgam Cass Cain and Laura Kinney! It'd be perfect!
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Apr 27, 2020 06:46
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Yvonmukluk posted:But in the hypothetical sequel you could amalgam Cass Cain and Laura Kinney! It'd be perfect! Cass and Gabby. HoneyBatger.
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Apr 27, 2020 07:02
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Yvonmukluk posted:But in the hypothetical sequel you could amalgam Cass Cain and Laura Kinney! It'd be perfect! Lone Wolf even works as a name.
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Apr 27, 2020 07:27
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Madkal posted:How are the Batman vs Aliens/predator crossovers? Are they worth hunting down? I would say that the Batman/Aliens crossover is Fun The first Batman/Predator is a blast Neither of them are "Great", but the idea of Alfred taking an Elephant gun and going toe to to with Predator is badass. Batman having to wrestle, literally, with an Alien/Crocodile hybrid is pretty cool. Batman/Predator 2, 3 and JLA/Predator are diminishing returns bessantj posted:Is that a high bar? How many "inter-company crossovers" have there even been? I wonder if it happens much in the manga world. Justice League /Power Rangers Green Lantern /Star Trek (Abramsverse) DC Heroes /Looney Tunes Batman /Punisher Batman /Spider-man (twice) Batman /Daredevil Justice League /Masters of the Universe Batman /Spawn Spider-man /Superman (twice) Superman /Hulk (twice) Batman /TMNT (three times, plus an animated adaptation, and probably at least once more) Xmen /Teen Titans Xmen /Star Trek (Twice, TOS and TNG, and at least one paperback novel that I think was original) JLA/Avengers Batman /Hulk Superman/Fantastic Four
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Apr 27, 2020 16:24
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Everyone forgetting the best crossover of all - Archie / Punisher.
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Apr 27, 2020 16:38
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CzarChasm posted:I would say that the Batman/Aliens crossover is Fun There have also been: Batman/Hellboy/Starman (Robinson/Mignola; awesome in every way) Superman/Madman (fun, Silver Agey stuff by Allred) Batman/Grendel (twice, both by Matt Wagner, and the first one is a favorite) Batman/The Spirit (Loeb/Cooke; lots of fun, and it preceded Cooke's Spirit series) Batman/Doc Savage (pretty Phil Noto art) Batman/The Shadow WildC.A.T.s/Aliens (Warren Ellis wrote it and killed off most of the original Stormwatch team) Transformers/New Avengers (back during the Bendis era) Legion of Super Heroes/Star Trek
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Apr 27, 2020 16:38
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I had this plan to own collected editions of every inter company crossover but I started after the Amalgam trades exploded in price so that dream died fairly quickly. There's also a LOSH/Trek one that was pretty keen. Also IDW churns them out constantly, there's a Transformers/Terminator series currently out. Oh! And there was a Superman/Terminator series!
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Apr 27, 2020 16:43
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Sorry I’m advance for the super vague question, but so it goes. I recall as a child reading some Star Trek comic about Starfleet encountering some Zerg-like insect species that they naturally wind up fighting, I think there was some kind of xenomorph/Cronenberg hybridization going on by crewmen that got kidnapped by the monsters? It was Kirk and company, but I think they were in their movie-era costumes. Any of this ringing any bells, or is it some weird novel construct of my aging brain?
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Apr 27, 2020 16:54
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DC published a bunch of Star Trek comics featuring the original crew in movie-era outfits in the 1980s. I haven't read any of them and none of the covers jump out as telling that sort of story but you can browse them all on comics.org The 1984-1989 run The 1989-1995 run Marvel did some Trek comics on either side of this, but I think they were all in the 1960s TV continuity and took their cues from more serious literature than Ridley Scott or Cronenberg 
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Apr 27, 2020 17:30
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Marvel’s 1980s Star Trek series was under the bizarre restriction that the only had the license for the first movie, and so couldn’t reference anything or follow up on any stories from the tv series. As a result, they ended up going in some... odd directions.
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Apr 27, 2020 18:09
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Hmmm, I’ll dig through there and see what I can find, thanks! Obviously I don’t remember much, but the biggest thing that stood out were the ship designs, it was one of those artists who wanted to get real big, real weird, and outside of the Enterprise felt no compunction about sticking to established Trek design aesthetics, which wound up being real cool.
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Apr 27, 2020 18:28
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Lone Wolf even works as a name. I was thinking Blacktalon (Blackbat + Talon, the codename Yost & Kyle apparently intended for Laura before DC trademarked it). It aligns with Dark Claw.
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Apr 27, 2020 19:06
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Batman/Grendel (twice, both by Matt Wagner, and the first one is a favorite) Wagner also did a Grendel vs. the Shadow comic that was excellent as well.
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Apr 27, 2020 19:07
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Selachian posted:Wagner also did a Grendel vs. the Shadow comic that was excellent as well. I think I read that a while back and enjoyed it, but don't remember much about it.
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Apr 27, 2020 22:01
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Lone Wolf even works as a name. Only if the Robin-Jubilee merging becomes "Cub".
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Apr 27, 2020 22:32
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Rhyno posted:Armageddon 2001. Just because there's a pandemic it doesn't mean I won't ban you.
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Apr 28, 2020 00:11
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It’d be Damian/Gabby as Darkclaw’s daughter.
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does that leave kitty pryde / nightwing? shadow wing? Night Cat? ...Dick Pryde?
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