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imo Insomniac and Sony Santa Monica wrestled the crown from Naughty Dog's gnarled fingers 2 years back when they did Spider-Man/God of War, two great adventure games with great stories that were fun to play and replay, had their share of down moments but ultimately had nice upswings and potential for cool followups. I think Sony in particular realized Insomniac took a huge leap forward with their work and that's why they acquired them---Spider-man is basically their new Uncharted. Ironically Insomniac now works in the same building as Naughty Dog.
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Apr 28, 2020 15:44
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Probably should have left the characters from the previous game alone, outside a cameo or two. Maybe something hamfisted about the FEMA knockoff and whatever they are planning to do next.
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Apr 28, 2020 15:45
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DLC Inc posted:imo Insomniac and Sony Santa Monica wrestled the crown from Naughty Dog's gnarled fingers 2 years back when they did Spider-Man/God of War, two great adventure games with great stories that were fun to play and replay, had their share of down moments but ultimately had nice upswings and potential for cool followups. I think Sony in particular realized Insomniac took a huge leap forward with their work and that's why they acquired them---Spider-man is basically their new Uncharted. Ironically Insomniac now works in the same building as Naughty Dog. Insomniac and Naughty Dog have worked in the same building for a ridiculously long time actually. The studios had a close relationship even before ND was acquired by Sony. Though I'm not sure that's true anymore with ND's exodus.
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Apr 28, 2020 15:49
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Nail Rat posted:Insomniac and Naughty Dog have worked in the same building for a ridiculously long time actually. The studios had a close relationship even before ND was acquired by Sony. Though I'm not sure that's true anymore with ND's exodus. They worked close by in the Universal backlot back in the PS1 days, but ND managed to get themselves bought out by Sony at the start of the PS2 era and Insomniac went their own way and remained independent, while closely working with Sony on various properties until recently when they too got bought out. They were close in the PS2 days too but I'm pretty sure that relationship died out in the PS3 era, especially with the original founders of Naughty Dog leaving and new blood largely taking over. That said, they never shared a building or anything. They were just neighbors when they both worked for Universal.
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Apr 28, 2020 15:54
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:I'm genuinely curious what the moral and ethical "message" of the game will be. This is my main beef with it outside of the hey look how pro LGBT we are the marketing has been it's so lazy and we've heard that particularly lazy take a shitload of times I really hope people just keep agitating because the games development market in particular has been hosed for a long time . How much you want to bet the writing team is like 3 people like GoT and Mass Effect were?
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Apr 28, 2020 15:59
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Wow, the main twist or whatever you wanna call it has actually made me think I might not like this. It's real hard to imagine it done well..
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Apr 28, 2020 16:06
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Peacoffee posted:
I’d rather play Hatred than this, lol
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Apr 28, 2020 16:09
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Nah, Hatred sucks start to finish and is made by actual nazi lovers.
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Apr 28, 2020 16:14
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Also a hearty lol to anyone unironically saying Abby is unrealistically buff Just lol
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Apr 28, 2020 16:15
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Doc M posted:I fully expect TLOU2 to win several awards for Best Writing as reviewers fall over each other to praise the deep, thought-provoking storyline and Naughty Dog's brave decision to go ahead with a story they knew would be controversial among their fans. In a brief defense of video game critics, the only place I really see "millions of people hate this, therefore by definition it must be good" broadly applied as a critical lens is on the Something Awful forums.
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Apr 28, 2020 16:22
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Well, at least the "Dina gets fridged" spoiler was fake...?
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Apr 28, 2020 16:29
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SirKibbles posted:How much you want to bet the writing team is like 3 people like GoT and Mass Effect were? ErrEff fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 16:39
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:It's even worse when games admonish you for doing things you're given 0 actual agency over (besides turning off your monitor). I'm thinking specifically of Spec Ops: The Line here, I'd sure prefer not to drop those phosphorous bombs on innocent people but uuhh you're not giving me any other choice here to progress the story so I guess I'll just get a refund? Was that the point of your game? Who knows. i mean the point in spec ops the line is literally to say to the player "stop playing" thats the option youre given v weird people trying to retroactively say spec ops was bad now too???? like its cool if you dont like stuff thats pretty miserable but that doesnt make it bad, it was really well done.
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Apr 28, 2020 17:15
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Stux posted:v weird people trying to retroactively say spec ops was bad now too???? like its cool if you dont like stuff thats pretty miserable but that doesnt make it bad, it was really well done. Really well done is giving it too much credit. It is good, but as a piece of subversive media, it only stands out because the bar in video games is so loving low.
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Apr 28, 2020 17:20
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Skippy McPants posted:Really well done is giving it too much credit. It is good, but as a piece of subversive media, it only stands out because the bar in video games is so loving low. The Leaks of Us 2: Endless Fart Huffing About How Games Suck poo poo
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Apr 28, 2020 17:23
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Stux posted:Weird people trying to retroactively say spec ops was bad now too???? A lot of people always said it was 'bad' or whatever else and got into a big deal over the game, that's why it got so much of the talk around it in the first place back then. I still think the game would've done better with a "You saw those first guys, then you turned around and walked away and the game ends with Walker having done his job, confirming survivors and coming back" hidden ending though, "HEH, THE OPTION IS TO STOP PLAYING (This originally full retail price game)" has always felt like a really lame stretch. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Apr 28, 2020 17:27
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Skippy McPants posted:Really well done is giving it too much credit. It is good, but as a piece of subversive media, it only stands out because the bar in video games is so loving low. agreed its nothing like movies a far better art form, i particularly like the themes and messaging in marvéls seminal work "ant man and the wasp"
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Apr 28, 2020 17:27
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precision posted:Also a hearty lol to anyone unironically saying Abby is unrealistically buff She is, though? For a post-apocalypse anyway. If TLOU2 was set in our current modern world then yeah, it wouldn't really be too strange since Abby is actually modeled off of a real-life bodybuilder. But having and maintaining that kind of body requires a very strict training regimen and dietary control, including a massive amount of protein and the use of supplements. Which is something that isn't really believable for a person in the post-apocalypse to achieve. You don't get massively ripped people in that sort of scenario, you'd get physically fit if likely malnutrition stricken survivors with low body fat and a fair amount of muscle (probably more in the core muscles and legs than arms), but not nearly as much as Abby has since that requires a lot of weight training. It's just an odd choice for Naughty Dog, really, more so than an actual complaint since it's just a game and god knows there's plenty of unrealistic body types in video games and it ultimately doesn't matter, but it's kind of weird how people turn the conversation around as if people were saying highly muscular women don't exist, period. It's noticeable since most of the people in TLOU are pretty much in line with what people would likely look like in the kind of situation they live in, but Abby is an obvious outlier.
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Apr 28, 2020 17:41
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Stux posted:agreed its nothing like movies a far better art form, i particularly like the themes and messaging in marvéls seminal work "ant man and the wasp" I mean tbf a lot of Gamers in this very thread are still grappling with the concept that a protagonist has to be a good guy
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Apr 28, 2020 17:43
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Ruflux posted:She is, though? For a post-apocalypse anyway. If TLOU2 was set in our current modern world then yeah, it wouldn't really be too strange since Abby is actually modeled off of a real-life bodybuilder. But having and maintaining that kind of body requires a very strict training regimen and dietary control, including a massive amount of protein and the use of supplements. Which is something that isn't really believable for a person in the post-apocalypse to achieve. You don't get massively ripped people in that sort of scenario, you'd get physically fit if likely malnutrition stricken survivors with low body fat and a fair amount of muscle (probably more in the core muscles and legs than arms), but not nearly as much as Abby has since that requires a lot of weight training. This is such a weird hill to die on.
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Ruflux posted:She is, though? For a post-apocalypse anyway. If TLOU2 was set in our current modern world then yeah, it wouldn't really be too strange since Abby is actually modeled off of a real-life bodybuilder. But having and maintaining that kind of body requires a very strict training regimen and dietary control, including a massive amount of protein and the use of supplements. Which is something that isn't really believable for a person in the post-apocalypse to achieve. You don't get massively ripped people in that sort of scenario, you'd get physically fit if likely malnutrition stricken survivors with low body fat and a fair amount of muscle (probably more in the core muscles and legs than arms), but not nearly as much as Abby has since that requires a lot of weight training.  
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Apr 28, 2020 17:50
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Apr 28, 2020 17:53
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me to the poster dying on the hill of "woman cant be buff in zombie game": walk away. just walk away.
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Apr 28, 2020 17:55
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Stux posted:me to the poster dying on the hill of "woman cant be buff in zombie game": walk away. just walk away. everything he said is correct also mad max and tlou are obviously quite different settings
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Apr 28, 2020 17:59
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am0kgonzo posted:everything he said is correct I think the main point is all y'alls are really undermining the message of "wow this writing is terrible" by following it up with "i'm a huge whiner who will complain about anything and i'm going to focus far too much energy on WHY LADY BUFF???" If the game really sucks you shouldn't need to grasp at stupid little straws like this, and yet here we are.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:01
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Yeah, Mad Max is more realistic
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am0kgonzo posted:everything he said is correct yeah one is about oil induced crisis and wars leading to a post-apocalyptic setting, which in the film specifically takes place in the australian desert, a place that is entirely barren and unfit to sustain the amount of food resources required for multiple different body builders to exist, and the other is about the cordyceps fungus spreading to humans creating zombies that click at you.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:05
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am0kgonzo posted:everything he said is correct yeah, one is about fantasy zombies and one has no fantasy zombies
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Apr 28, 2020 18:07
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This thread owns
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Dewgy posted:I think the main point is all y'alls are really undermining the message of "wow this writing is terrible" by following it up with "i'm a huge whiner who will complain about anything and i'm going to focus far too much energy on WHY LADY BUFF???" I don't think the game will suck, at the very least I'll probably enjoy the combat, don't know if the story/structure will work for me and I have no idea if the writing is terrible because I haven't actually played the game.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:07
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getting to play as a jacked buff lady is about the only positive I've heard about this game so far
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Apr 28, 2020 18:09
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am0kgonzo posted:everything he said is correct Sure but it also applies to, like, Joel, who is pretty big and buff himself. Joel's not exactly a skinny, malnourished-looking dude at any point.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:11
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I just hope the game has Abby working out to The Best Around while drinking Fight Milk in a montage flashback
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Apr 28, 2020 18:13
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abby has figured out the one trick nutritionists hate
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Apr 28, 2020 18:14
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Terminal autist posted:I mean tbf a lot of Gamers in this very thread are still grappling with the concept that a protagonist has to be a good guy Not really, a lot of the time evil protagonists just suck and aren't actually compelling or cool or fun.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:15
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Harrow posted:Sure but it also applies to, like, Joel, who is pretty big and buff himself. Joel's not exactly a skinny, malnourished-looking dude at any point. Joel is nourished by thread wars about the ending of TLOU, which unfortunately doesn't compare to the reckoning Abby will bring on him fueled by the wars about her biceps
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Apr 28, 2020 18:16
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Stux posted:i mean the point in spec ops the line is literally to say to the player "stop playing" thats the option youre given To be honest with you I never liked Spec Ops to begin with so it's not like I had a change of heart on that topic. And the "generic shooter" presentation was likely intentional but I don't think it was particularly interesting or well done either. Anyway, I'm trying to figure out which group offers the best gym membership between the Fireflies and Tommy's town right now.
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I can't play TLOU because I can't get past the lack of tooth decay. Like, none of these people have access to a dentist, yet Joel has a perfect smile. Totally ruins my immersion.
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