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rydiafan posted:He brings the blue meth to the table, and that stuff seemed to be pretty valuable. There were multiple plot lines that hinged around Gus trying to get somebody else who could make it for him, like Gail and Jesse. That's why to me the only action Gus ever did that didn't make any sense to me was murder his thug who had watched Walt enough to learn the recipe. Gus's plan was explicitly to have Gale learn Walt's cooking process so they could get rid of Walt as soon as it became necessary - which happened when Walt got Gus's men killed. That's why Walt had Jesse kill Gale; he had to make himself indispensable again. On a similar note, Gus killed his thug who had learned the process because he only wanted someone who was totally reliable and under the thumb to know it.
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Jessie was literally in a race against time to kill Gale before Gus’ men killed Walt. That was the whole plot of the episode(s), Walt figures it out and sends Jessie to kill Gale as the thugs sit with Walt seeing if he remains indispensable or not. How do you miss that?
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Apr 28, 2020 16:13
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Jedit posted:Gus's plan was explicitly to have Gale learn Walt's cooking process so they could get rid of Walt as soon as it became necessary - which happened when Walt got Gus's men killed. That's why Walt had Jesse kill Gale; he had to make himself indispensable again. Nah he killed him because people saw him at gales after he died
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Apr 28, 2020 16:22
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Either way, he wasn't actually going to ever learn the recipe or be able to recreate it at all.
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Apr 28, 2020 17:01
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rydiafan posted:That's why to me the only action Gus ever did that didn't make any sense to me was murder his thug who had watched Walt enough to learn the recipe. Jesse literally explains why at the end of the episode.
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food court bailiff posted:Walt is an incredible protagonist but it's hilarious how many people latched on to him as some ultra badass. to be fair, half the entertainment value of the show came from watching walt navigate himself out of some extremely precarious, dangerous situations* through some on-the-spot ingenuity - i mean, his big send-off in the finale was gunning down some nazis, rescuing jesse, executing lydia, intimidating gretchen and elliot into taking care of his family/laundering his money once he keels over, passing on some legal leverage to skyler so she can plead for some leniency, and whatever else despite starting in an apparently hopeless situation*....despite the bad taste it leaves in your mouth, the show definitely lets walt wrap everything up in a neat package with one last plan of the kind he'd been doing for half the series and all that will give some viewers the impression that things weren't just a fluke, like it was with someone like travis bickle walt isn't like a humbert humbert either imho, i can see how some viewers are gonna genuinely walk away thinking he's really the heisenberg he pretended to be despite that underneath it all it's plainly just a sad, pathetic walter white i'd say the point wasn't that walter was actually all bluster and zero substance, but that an awful personality can turn real brilliance into the shitshow that was his miserable life where all his brilliance was good for was partly-fixing all the problems his impulses caused *of course, walt unthinkingly acting on his impulses are 100% of the reason he found himself in all those dangerous situations to begin with *hilariously, walt was gonna turn himself in but then elliot & gretchen attacked ~his poor ego on tv~ and welp, he couldn't let things go anymore hard counter has a new favorite as of 17:20 on Apr 28, 2020 |
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Alhazred posted:Jesse literally explains why at the end of the episode. I didn't mean "doesn't make sense to me" in that I didn't understand his logic. I meant it in that I disagree with his logic. Why does Gus think this thug is less reliable than Gail or Walt or Jesse? He trusts him enough to guard the laboratory, but not enough to work there?
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rydiafan posted:I didn't mean "doesn't make sense to me" in that I didn't understand his logic. I meant it in that I disagree with his logic. He's a thug, not a chemist.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:25
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MariusLecter posted:He's a thug, not a chemist. Again, Jesse.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:41
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rydiafan posted:Why does Gus think this thug is less reliable than Gail or Walt or Jesse? He trusts him enough to guard the laboratory, but not enough to work there? Because he was identified at the scene of a murder and now he is a massive liability to keep hidden because now he is known and sought by the law enforcement agencies. And had something to do with a murder Gus was also connected to.
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gus also murdered that guy because that guy was witnessed in gale's apartment shortly after gale's murderDer Kyhe posted:Because he was identified at the scene of a murder and now he is a massive liability to keep hidden because now he is known and sought by the law enforcement agencies. And had something to do with a murder Gus was also connected to. drat it!
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Der Kyhe posted:Because he was identified at the scene of a murder and now he is a massive liability to keep hidden because now he is known and sought by the law enforcement agencies. And had something to do with a murder Gus was also connected to. Fair point.
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I think the finale is the only time all of Walt’s plans work flawlessly without any changes needed, and fittingly it’s only after he’s stopped trying to pretend he’s the good guy.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:From memory the "I am the one who knocks" speech is more impotent rage than a genuine boast. People have already commented on this, but coming from someone who watched the show straight through as the final season was airing, and who had it recommended to me by people who bought into the badass Heisenberg narrative, the expectation for that speech versus what was actually delivered on screen caused some hella whiplash. For the better, I should add. Not sure if it was from watching an episode a day as opposed to one a week spaced out over several years, but even as a first time viewer it was obvious Walter wasn't a genius mastermind at any point.
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rydiafan posted:Again, Jesse. Jesse had been working closely with Walt and not the same thing as that other guy like at all.
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Apr 28, 2020 21:24
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Big Mad Drongo posted:it was obvious Walter wasn't a genius mastermind at any point. I think that's sorta the issue that a lot of people conflate, not only relative to this show or others, but in real life itself. Walt, I think, is probably legitimately a genius, or at least Very Smart™. In chemistry. But the issue is that just because he's a genius at chemistry, people believe that he's a genius at everything and is therefore infallible. Look at how people worship Steve "I thought crystals would cure my cancer" Jobs or Elon Musk for being smart enough to be, uh, born in privilege. You see this a lot in the corporate world, where people who are good at their job start getting direct reports, even if it's obvious they lack any sort of talent for managing people. People believe that one positive (note, not necessarily "good") quality supercedes all of the insanely obvious flaws to that character. See also: Rick Sanchez.
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Willy White or whatever was a dipshit with an evil hat meant to be mean spirited porn for poorly-dongled weenises and society ate it up like hentai
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mind the walrus posted:Because shocker-of-shocker it turns out that quite a few people are insecure, entitled rage-balls like Walt and emphasize way too hard with the fantasy that once "they" could get "out of the way" they would thrive and be badasses who exert power over others. In my experience the only thing that will keep people from latching on is if you're very careful to never frame said character as cool in any way. Even one small insert shot of the character posing and flexing can be enough. Or why people gravitate to Rick in Rick and Morty.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:So, he's the fifth Beatle? He’s the third founder of Apple who sold his shares to Jobs and Woz for less than a grand about two weeks after the company was created. Promoted Pawn has a new favorite as of 01:52 on Apr 29, 2020 |
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Pick posted:Willy White or whatever was a dipshit with an evil hat meant to be mean spirited porn for poorly-dongled weenises and society ate it up like hentai Weak troll, try again
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Pick posted:porn for poorly-dongled weenises and society ate it up like hentai well, what do you expect when 1% of weenises have 99% of the dong
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pentyne posted:Gray Matter was Walt and Elliot, Walt was the Woz and Elliot was the Steve Jobs I guess but Walt was the one who choose to walk away early and missed the boat, then resented Elliot for the rest of his life since it was Walt's work that made the company succeed. With how Walt is in stressful situations, him selling early was absolutely the right move for him but he never knows it. He’s good at weaseling out while digging himself deeper, but never considers that the grey matter stock he was watching would have been worthless if he was still there.
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i enjoyed that quick look into the pickiverse where hentai is a thing that a lot of people eat up
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I'm annoyed whenever a show has people "get a job teaching" at a public school, usually as a joke of it being a last resort. Sometimes it's just, "Hey, you can start right away!" Even with a PhD, you can't set foot in a school unless it's an education degree. Having an English degree doesn't let you teach English. An English Education degree does. So if a character "gets into teaching," that means they took years of college classes, chose a second field of education study because schools want you to teach multiple areas, took multiple certification exams, did several semesters of in-class student teaching of increasing independence, waited for an opening, was not overly-qualified (a lot of schools want Bachelor degrees max because they have lower salaries, etc). You don't just "start teaching" one day.
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Eclipse12 posted:You don't just "start teaching" one day. Before NCLB mandated "highly qualified" teachers to have a masters in Ed, teachers in L.A. could get by with just a college degree. Often not in the subject they were teaching, too!
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Uhh... yeah, actually you can. You get hired by a school system with a provisional teaching license, and then you have some number of years to jump through the mostly pointless hoops. Especially for subjects with chronic teacher shortages, like the sciences. If I did it, WW could have.
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I know some schools require a certain percentage of teachers to have teaching/education degrees and the rest can just have certificates.
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MrUnderbridge posted:Uhh... yeah, actually you can. You get hired by a school system with a provisional teaching license, and then you have some number of years to jump through the mostly pointless hoops. Especially for subjects with chronic teacher shortages, like the sciences. Yeah Math/Science is the one place where that does happen. The people I know who did it that way learned the hard way teaching ain't that easy.
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rydiafan posted:He brings the blue meth to the table, and that stuff seemed to be pretty valuable. It's meth! Walter's obsession with making the best meth was just his self-sabotaging perfectionism. The customers aren't going to stop buying because the quality dropped a bit. Especially if it's the only stuff on the market because Gus just has his competitors killed or arrested.
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I figured it was mostly marketing/brand recognition at that point. "Buy the Gatorade meth! It'll gently caress you up so hard all your teeth will fall out and you'll be covered in open sores after the first hit."
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Tiggum posted:It's meth! Walter's obsession with making the best meth was just his self-sabotaging perfectionism. The customers aren't going to stop buying because the quality dropped a bit. Especially if it's the only stuff on the market because Gus just has his competitors killed or arrested. Within the canon of the show, the quality of his meth was noticeably better and Gus was using it to expand further afield. (Though even within the show, the quality difference between like Walt's and Jesse's was made out to be insignificant)
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Within the canon of the show, the quality of his meth was noticeably better and Gus was using it to expand further afield. (Though even within the show, the quality difference between like Walt's and Jesse's was made out to be insignificant) Walt could not only produce top quality meth, he could do it on an industrial scale. That's what was letting Gus expand further.
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So was the purity of Walt's meth supposed to be safer, give you a better high, something else?
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Better quality meth means the same high from smaller doses, which allows dealers to sell more and can massively expand the business of a big supplier like Gus. For Walt it was pure ego, but for Gus the blue meth is an actual great business opportunity.
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Sobatchja Morda posted:Better quality meth means the same high from smaller doses, which allows dealers to sell more and can massively expand the business of a big supplier like Gus. For Walt it was pure ego, but for Gus the blue meth is an actual great business opportunity. After the initial setup the blue meth has to be cheaper to make, too, because it uses raw chemicals by the barrel instead of reprocessing commercial medicines. So it's a triple whammy - you can make more, it costs you less and the same volume gets sold to more people.
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Jedit posted:After the initial setup the blue meth has to be cheaper to make, too, because it uses raw chemicals by the barrel instead of reprocessing commercial medicines. So it's a triple whammy - you can make more, it costs you less and the same volume gets sold to more people. So it's like Cake in that it's a made-up drug?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:So it's like Cake in that it's a made-up drug? It might as well be, from what I gather, and that's probably the best way to depict a drug a show centres around; if it's too accurate you might get the authorities on your back about how the show is teaching people to make drugs, and if it's too inaccurate you're gonna get fans mocking you, so a fictional drug or variant on a drug that you can make up the rules for gives you the most creative license.
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They could have made it totally realistic and showed you exactly how to make it, you’d still have the problem the characters in the show have. Precursor is hard to source in volume, and volume is what you need. No one is going to start an artisanal meth lab.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It might as well be, from what I gather, and that's probably the best way to depict a drug a show centres around; if it's too accurate you might get the authorities on your back about how the show is teaching people to make drugs, and if it's too inaccurate you're gonna get fans mocking you, so a fictional drug or variant on a drug that you can make up the rules for gives you the most creative license. And, on the subject of the thread itself, it lets your show not be tied to any specific drug crisis that might age your story especially noticeably.
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