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Ted Cruz has been a long-time proponent of... certain kinds of cinema.
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Rochallor posted:Ted Cruz has been a long-time proponent of... certain kinds of cinema. I utterly lost it when during that kerfluffle PornHub not only made the full video free to watch but advertized the fact in banners with "LIKED BY TED CRUZ" in huge letters.
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Apr 30, 2020 09:59
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Young Freud posted:Cool, we can have more movies critical of the military establishment. Right - I could understand having to accommodate the military if you need to use an aircraft carrier as a set (Top Gun) but in this day and age, why would you worry?
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Apr 30, 2020 10:31
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nonathlon posted:Right - I could understand having to accommodate the military if you need to use an aircraft carrier as a set (Top Gun) but in this day and age, why would you worry? I'd wager that for a significant proportion of those directors, producers and actors who tend towards projects that glamourise the military, rooms full of green props and buildings full of animators are simply not as satisfying to their war fetishes as jockeying around on ~real hardware~, smoking cigars with the commanders and commiserating how hard it is to organise large numbers of under-paid & over-worked troops in the service of multi-million projects.
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Apr 30, 2020 11:33
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Alan Smithee posted:honestly I feel like it has less to do with getting free props and more about appealing to oorah murica Didn't Independence Day have to do without the involvement and endorsement of the US military because the Pentagon asked that they remove the references to Area 51 from the film and they refused? Also, Hercules was fun, but I remember them killing Hades at the end and that just makes no loving sense. I could be mistaken.
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Apr 30, 2020 12:51
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't Independence Day have to do without the involvement and endorsement of the US military because the Pentagon asked that they remove the references to Area 51 from the film and they refused? He’s pushed into the River Styx and a bunch of angry souls pull him under. So he’s not necessarily dead, just not having a great time
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Apr 30, 2020 13:00
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:He’s pushed into the River Styx and a bunch of angry souls pull him under. So he’s not necessarily dead, just not having a great time Okay, because I saw it in the theater when I was thirteen and I knew enough about Greek mythology that I was really annoyed that it appeared they just killed the bad guy at the end. I'm starting to realize that I've seen most Disney films just the once when I was a kid and never again, so I have a really bizarre memory of most of them.
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Apr 30, 2020 13:11
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't Independence Day have to do without the involvement and endorsement of the US military because the Pentagon asked that they remove the references to Area 51 from the film and they refused? Yes, it's not that hard to make do without military providing free props and labor, it just ups the budget a bit.
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Apr 30, 2020 13:48
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duz posted:Yes, it's not that hard to make do without military providing free props and labor, it just ups the budget a bit. Doesn't it also preclude them from using the official logos and poo poo as well?
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Apr 30, 2020 13:51
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Okay, because I saw it in the theater when I was thirteen and I knew enough about Greek mythology that I was really annoyed that it appeared they just killed the bad guy at the end. Clayton always had the best death, being so blinded by rage trying to slash at Tarzan that he accidentally cuts most of the vines holding himself up and accidentally hanging himself.
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Apr 30, 2020 13:57
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Doesn't it also preclude them from using the official logos and poo poo as well? Nope, logos, etc of the US government are public domain. They'd have to go to a prop shop and rent them instead of using "real" ones for free, but nothing legal prevents that. As for corporate logos, that can get messy but Hollywood always comes out on top of those slap fights. duz fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 14:16
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Thank you, I've learned things.
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Apr 30, 2020 14:20
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Okay, because I saw it in the theater when I was thirteen and I knew enough about Greek mythology that I was really annoyed that it appeared they just killed the bad guy at the end. Yeah if he were human it would definitely be a death but since he’s a god I think it was supposed to just show that he’s trapped
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Apr 30, 2020 14:29
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Thank you, I've learned things. There's also Errors and Omissions insurance for in case you get sued for not clearing the rights for something you were supposed to but missed. So sometimes the insurance company's lawyer is who decides that a logo can't be shown regardless of what the rights actually are because their job is to minimize risk. duz fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 14:29
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There's a good (but somewhat dated) book called Operation Hollywood that's a bunch of short stories of how the Pentagon has twisted the arms of producers who want to use military equipment, locations, and labor for their movies. Fun fact, the general who wrote the guidelines for the Pentagon offering their services to the movies retired and became... a consultant for Hollywood productions seeking to use military equipment.Young Freud posted:Cool, we can have more movies critical of the military establishment. The military will literally lend the equipment for free and in the past has even let productions film on military bases and offer hundreds of troops as extras, if they like your movie's script. That's cheaper than paying VFX artists to create all that. Pope Corky the IX posted:Didn't Independence Day have to do without the involvement and endorsement of the US military because the Pentagon asked that they remove the references to Area 51 from the film and they refused? The military didn't like how the script made them appear incompetent, because nothing they did could stop the aliens. Pope Corky the IX posted:Doesn't it also preclude them from using the official logos and poo poo as well? If your spy or military movie wants the shot of people walking across the CIA seal in the foyer of the building, you gotta play ball with the CIA.
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Apr 30, 2020 15:23
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I remember it blowing my mind that it's the military that pays the NFL to fly jets over games and have soldiers show up for the national anthem. Millions of dollars a year, no less.
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Apr 30, 2020 16:02
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The NFL and MLB have been full blown propaganda machines for the United States military industrial complex for over 100 years.
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Apr 30, 2020 16:41
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Yeah, I mean the movie “Strategic Air Command” which started real life USAF General Jimmy Stewart was movie about a St Louis Cardinals player recalled to active to fly Chrome Dome sorties. And that came out in like 1957. There’s a cool story during the directors commentary for “Wargames” where they talk about how they were able to get a tour of the actual NORAD facility for research. They asked around and found out that NORAD had just recently stopped giving tours but hey, there’s this guy in Hollywood you should talk to. So they walk into a normal production office in LA except the secretary is a USAF airman and ushers then into a room with a Lt Col who is described as wearing Air Force blues with the jacket unbuttoned, his feet up on his desk, reading a copy of Variety. And they just kinda were like, what the gently caress? Dude got them the NORAD tour though, and he got a cameo as the NORAD tour guide in the film. When I was in the Air Force there was an internal USAF job listing service for temporary duty positions full all kinds of wild things. Like a job where you lived in Amsterdam and wore civilian clothes every day to sort mail for NATO headquarters. I was always on the lookout for “Hollywood Liaison Admin” or something but I never saw one 
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Apr 30, 2020 16:53
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Detective No. 27 posted:The NFL and MLB have been full blown propaganda machines for the United States military industrial complex for over 100 years. Lol just the NFL and MLB? Could be argued that Hollywood is a propaganda arm of the US.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:04
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The military didn't like how the script made them appear incompetent, because nothing they did could stop the aliens. One of the things that still blows my mind to this day is how utterly incompetent the U.S. Military are portrayed in Godzilla (1998). As Mayor Ebert yells at one point "You guys caused more damage than [Godzilla] did!" up to and including blowing up the Chrysler building with a stray shot while the day is saved by Matthew Broderick with the help of Jean Reno and the French. No way in hell would anyone get away with that these days (well, because of that and NY getting wrecked to poo poo).
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Apr 30, 2020 17:05
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Don't forget that Godzilla 98 at one point blows up a nuclear-powered SSBN in the Hudson River. (And the sub shoots itself with its own torpedoes...)
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Apr 30, 2020 17:35
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X-Ray Pecs posted:If your spy or military movie wants the shot of people walking across the CIA seal in the foyer of the building, you gotta play ball with the CIA. IIRC, when Gary Webb published his articles about the CIA helping Contras smuggle crack into the country, the CIA sued the newspaper because the series' logo was someone smoking a crack pipe in front of the seal. I don't know if it ever went to trial before they changed the logo, but there were at least enough grounds for them to file in the first place.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:39
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Lol just the NFL and MLB? Could be argued that Hollywood is a propaganda arm of the US. Hollywood was adapted into one. MLB was straight up conceived as a way to spread American hegemony across the world. Anytime America colonized a territory the first thing they'd do is popularize baseball.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:50
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Payndz posted:Don't forget that Godzilla 98 at one point blows up a nuclear-powered SSBN in the Hudson River. (And the sub shoots itself with its own torpedoes...) Godzilla 1998 is a far, far better American Godzilla than 2014.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:52
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AceOfFlames posted:One of the things that still blows my mind to this day is how utterly incompetent the U.S. Military are portrayed in Godzilla (1998). As Mayor Ebert yells at one point "You guys caused more damage than [Godzilla] did!" up to and including blowing up the Chrysler building with a stray shot while the day is saved by Matthew Broderick with the help of Jean Reno and the French. No way in hell would anyone get away with that these days (well, because of that and NY getting wrecked to poo poo). I mean, that's pretty much the military in almost any Godzilla movie. Even in the 2014 one the protagonist just barely manages to avoid making things worse than they already have.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:52
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Black Lighter posted:IIRC, when Gary Webb published his articles about the CIA helping Contras smuggle crack into the country, the CIA sued the newspaper because the series' logo was someone smoking a crack pipe in front of the seal. I don't know if it ever went to trial before they changed the logo, but there were at least enough grounds for them to file in the first place. The complaint about the graphic was that it implied that the CIA was directly involved in the drug trade rather than what Webb's reporting actually discussed, which was the CIA's support of groups that also trafficked cocaine to the US. The complaint was that the graphic was implying a direct involvement by the CIA beyond the indirect involvement that Webb's reporting showed. It had nothing to do with whether or not the government can restrict people from using their logos.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:00
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Byzantine posted:Godzilla 1998 is a far, far better American Godzilla than 2014. what
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Apr 30, 2020 19:25
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Byzantine posted:Godzilla 1998 is a far, far better American Godzilla than 2014. no
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Apr 30, 2020 19:55
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Byzantine posted:Godzilla 1998 is a far, far better American Godzilla than 2014.  Perfect av/post combo btw.
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Apr 30, 2020 19:56
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Byzantine posted:Godzilla 1998 is a far, far better American Godzilla than 2014. I wanna hear this take, genuinely.
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Apr 30, 2020 20:10
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I wanna hear this take, genuinely. 
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Apr 30, 2020 20:31
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I wanna hear this take, genuinely. I will concede that G'98 at least made Godzilla explicitly the result of nuclear testing. G'14 opted for some (IMO underwhelming) mythology about an ancient race of radioactive god-monsters and blah blah blah
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Apr 30, 2020 21:15
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The theme is still there though, because it was the use of nuclear power by the US Navy which caused Godzilla to awaken.
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Apr 30, 2020 21:21
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duz posted:There's also Errors and Omissions insurance for in case you get sued for not clearing the rights for something you were supposed to but missed. So sometimes the insurance company's lawyer is who decides that a logo can't be shown regardless of what the rights actually are because their job is to minimize risk. I know a guy who wrote a textbook about intellectual property, and he was watching the Big Short and found it pretty funny to discover his book clearly pictured on Christian Bale's desk
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Apr 30, 2020 22:47
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The Peccadillo posted:I know a guy who wrote a textbook about intellectual property, and he was watching the Big Short and found it pretty funny to discover his book clearly pictured on Christian Bale's desk Lmao, gottem
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Apr 30, 2020 23:06
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Apr 30, 2020 23:34
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I wanna hear this take, genuinely. Byzantine is an alt for Supermechagodzilla
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Apr 30, 2020 23:40
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Godzilla 2014 is afraid of showing the monster like it's ashamed that it's a kaiju film or something. I wanna see a absurdly large lizard piledrive a mean looking blanket into some miniatures goddamn it.
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May 1, 2020 00:04
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In terms of what the USA actually represents Godzilla 98 did a pretty good job, yeah.
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bring back the rubber suit and have him slamdunk Spaceship Earth into Vince McMahon
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