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PetraCore posted:I just think it's possible to discuss male victimization in a feminist manner - for example, the idea that men can't be hurt by women because women are small and weak is very patriarchal, as is the fact that both men and women struggle to report because of how being abused is seen as a moral and physical failing. It doesn't have to be a conversation about who 'deserves' limited resources because we can all be on the same side of survivors deserving protection from abusers. The biggest issue is the use of data from countries that systematically do not charge women with DA, as they are considered to inherently the victim (if they abuse, a man made them do it). This is a system called the 'duluth model' and was the creation of academic feminists in the 80s. Unless you want to blame the actions of feminist groups on the patriarchy, of course.
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Piss Meridian posted:The biggest issue is the use of data from countries that systematically do not charge women with DA, as they are considered to inherently the victim (if they abuse, a man made them do it). This is a system called the 'duluth model' and was the creation of academic feminists in the 80s.
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PetraCore posted:No I'm saying by framing women as exclusively victims those feminist groups were ironically still being really misogynistic. I'd like to read up about the issue sometimes since i know DA is dramatically under-reported anyway, so I can't imagine it's easy to figure out what the ratio actually is, esp with the base idea (abusers are male) being so pervasive. You're assuming they actually believe women can't be violent, rather than callously attempting to manipulate statistics. I have exactly zero faith in any female led group to make a good faith attempt to correct this situation they created. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Piss Meridian posted:You're assuming they actually believe women can't be violent, rather than callously attempting to manipulate statistics. I have exactly zero faith in any female led group to make a good faith attempt to correct this situation they created. 
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Apr 30, 2020 23:57
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Piss Meridian posted:You're assuming they actually believe women can't be violent, rather than callously attempting to manipulate statistics. I have exactly zero faith in any female led group to make a good faith attempt to correct this situation they created.
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Apr 30, 2020 23:58
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Women lead group sounds weirder. Man led group?
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PetraCore posted:Uh, well, I'm a woman, so. Yes, and you're attempting to minimize it.
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Mak0rz posted:Cuisine, Notch, pop music artists that are neo-Nazis.
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Piss Meridian posted:You're assuming they actually believe women can't be violent, rather than callously attempting to manipulate statistics. I have exactly zero faith in any female led group to make a good faith attempt to correct this situation they created. If you want my advice the smart thing to do at this point is to leave the thread alone for like, a month or something, and hoping that no one's gonna remember you posted something this insanely weird when you come back. Or you could die on this hill, of course, if you want to entertain us.
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PurpleXVI posted:If you want my advice the smart thing to do at this point is to leave the thread alone for like, a month or something, and hoping that no one's gonna remember you posted something this insanely weird when you come back. Weird is charitable. Try raging misogynist, holy poo poo.
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May 1, 2020 00:27
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Hrrm, lets play the Incel, MGTOW, or something even weirder game! I'm being boring and guessing Incel.
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PetraCore posted:I just think it's possible to discuss male victimization in a feminist manner - for example, the idea that men can't be hurt by women because women are small and weak is very patriarchal, as is the fact that both men and women struggle to report because of how being abused is seen as a moral and physical failing. It doesn't have to be a conversation about who 'deserves' limited resources because we can all be on the same side of survivors deserving protection from abusers. Any effort to draw attention to male victimization is feminist, except the zero-sum kind that does so by minimizing female victims.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Any effort to draw attention to male victimization is feminist, except the zero-sum kind that does so by minimizing female victims.  
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This derail has the whole air of the new TERF commandment that "women can't legally commit rape* so there are no female rapists", which sits in between "women getting naked in communal changing rooms don't make people uncomfortable" and "women regularly wash their period panties in public bathrooms". (Yes, these are all things TERFs have been parroting recently.) *Rape in English law requires a penis; there's a parallel crime of sexual assault that carries the same sentence. Still, I can't imagine any of the TERF lot going to bat for the legal principle of "marriage is implied consent to sex" that survived as a defence in this country until 1991.
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Ever read a post and just think to yourself, "man, I have got to check out that rear end in a top hat's rap sheet!"?
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One More Fat Nerd posted:Hrrm, lets play the Incel, MGTOW, or something even weirder game! Umm... since Piss Meridian went in that direction, I'm just going to point out that the biggest groups pushing this 'no one cares about women abusers!' are MRA and MRA-adjacent groups. It's literally a bad faith effort to undermine feminist action against systemic violence against women by creating a false equivalence of violence against men that you never hear about because it's hushed up by the largely male-dominated legal system who are nevertheless in thrall to women. That's not every person who feels like the existing laws and advocacy around domestic and sexual violence are underserving male victims. It's just a particular campaign that pops up every time the subject hits the news, which usually can be readily identified by their complete lack of solidarity or connection to other relevant social justice efforts.
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I shouldn't have tried to give that guy the benefit of the doubt. How did he interpret what I said as minimizing? Because I didn't agree that women were the problem?
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PetraCore posted:I shouldn't have tried to give that guy the benefit of the doubt. How did he interpret what I said as minimizing? Because I didn't agree that women were the problem? Saying that he 'interpeted what you said as minimizing' implies that he paid attention to it at all. He's an rear end in a top hat deliberately-bad-faith arguer that's not worth paying attention to in any thread he turns up in, because he always pulls stuff adjacent to this.
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It should be noted that despite proclaiming that they want equality, MRA-types are notoriously allergic to anything that legitimizes feminist schema like you did PetraCore. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
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TinTower posted:Still, I can't imagine any of the TERF lot going to bat for the legal principle of "marriage is implied consent to sex" that survived as a defence in this country until 1991. I could see them tripping over themselves to support that defense if the victim was trans. They probably wouldn't even blink.
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Cernunnos posted:I could see them tripping over themselves to support that defense if the victim was trans. reinventing corrective rape to own the TRAs
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Knormal posted:Counterpoint: Ikea, meatballs, Ikea meatballs Hmm upon careful consideration I shall rescind my stance
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Ever read a post and just think to yourself, "man, I have got to check out that rear end in a top hat's rap sheet!"? Eeyup. It’s lead down some... Disturbing rabbit holes. Other times, you feel compelled to search for why some goon got redtexted for accidentally copy pasting some erotic fart story into an E/N thread. Regalingualius has a new favorite as of 03:14 on May 1, 2020 |
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It's also the "Which FYAD re-reg are you?" test. Which, considering this account is a month old....
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chitoryu12 posted:It's also the "Which FYAD re-reg are you?" test. Which, considering this account is a month old.... My guess would be Cumslut1895.
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chitoryu12 posted:It's also the "Which FYAD re-reg are you?" test. Which, considering this account is a month old.... Beware the demon FYAD posters, always lurking in the shadows waiting to troll innocent threads.
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Also, someone noted that if they weren't lying on their form, then their payroll is apparently $5.7 million a year. Which is a hell of a grift for someone.
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That's a lot of Toilet Paper, USA
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I would like to announce today that I am rejecting a potential $340 million in lottery winnings. Not that I would ever actually win the lottery. I just want everyone to know I’m rejecting the money.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:Also, someone noted that if they weren't lying on their form, then their payroll is apparently $5.7 million a year. Which is a hell of a grift for someone. That's a pretty big if though.
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bell jar posted:That's a lot of Toilet Paper, USA Why do you think there's shortages now?
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Lemniscate Blue posted:One member was definitely a neo-Nazi, but he claims to regret it and put it behind him. No idea how much it might have influenced the rest of the band, or their work. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/rm35nr/ace-of-bases-secret-nazi-past So, you're saying they saw a sign and it opened up their eyes?
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sugar mouse posted:This is from someone I know who is going full 'corona virus doesn't exist' currently. Someone get those pranksters out of their graves, we know it's a joke already.
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I hate it when the idiot forces you to ask-- would it be worse if they knew what they were doing, or if they didn't know what they were doing?
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mind the walrus posted:I hate it when the idiot forces you to ask-- would it be worse if they knew what they were doing, or if they didn't know what they were doing? The answer is "yes", by the way.
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mind the walrus posted:I hate it when the idiot forces you to ask-- would it be worse if they knew what they were doing, or if they didn't know what they were doing? If they knew what they are doing, one assumes there comes a point where self-preservation kicks in.
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nexus6 posted:Someone get those pranksters out of their graves, we know it's a joke already. Look, nobody I know personally has died or been infected to my knowledge, and my really poor understanding of statistics and viral pathology, and my absolute refusal to listen to those that do know those things, leads me to the only logical conclusion of it not being real. Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand. Please stop yelling at me and trying to correct me, I'm only trying to get people to think. If you don't like, don't comment
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