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Like....what does this mean prequel? Cause I think by now we have almost everything and alternate takes on stuff from the Transformers universe. Unless it is prequel to the classic movie that sets it up
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Gatts posted:Like....what does this mean prequel? Cause I think by now we have almost everything and alternate takes on stuff from the Transformers universe. Unless it is prequel to the classic movie that sets it up The entire 1984-1985 cartoon series was a prequel to the 1986 movie. We would assume this is a prequel to the Bumblebee movie, but who knows now. There's also a Netflix animated series about the War on Cybertron based on last year's comic and toys to be released in June.
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May 1, 2020 00:33
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FreudianSlippers posted:Godzilla 2014 is afraid of showing the monster like it's ashamed that it's a kaiju film or something. I've never understood this argument. G14 shows plenty of Godzilla, it just likes to build the sense of anticipation.
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May 1, 2020 00:59
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The MSJ posted:The entire 1984-1985 cartoon series was a prequel to the 1986 movie. We would assume this is a prequel to the Bumblebee movie, but who knows now. There were even episodes of the G1 series that went back in time to the creation of the Transformers, to the beginning of the Great War, to them ending up on Earth. The whole timeline has been covered.
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May 1, 2020 01:06
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CheshireCat posted:Did Godzilla 2014 have a Puffy Daddy/Jimmy Page song collaboration? Thought not. If it counts, Godzilla: King of the Monsters from last year had a cover of Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult. But this version has Serj Tankian, Brendon Small and Gene Hoglan (of Dethklok), an orchestra, and taiko drumming/chanting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOO8Um_jmLI
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May 1, 2020 01:20
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There needs to be a Transformers cartoon based on the More than Meets the Eye comic book. Gay robot buddies having wacky space adventures with their pal Megatron. It'd print money.
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May 1, 2020 02:47
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HannibalBarca posted:I will concede that G'98 at least made Godzilla explicitly the result of nuclear testing. G'14 opted for some (IMO underwhelming) mythology about an ancient race of radioactive god-monsters and blah blah blah That's literally more accurate to the original movies.
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May 1, 2020 04:58
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Action Jacktion posted:There needs to be a Transformers cartoon based on the More than Meets the Eye comic book. Gay robot buddies having wacky space adventures with their pal Megatron. It'd print money. More Than Meets The Queer Eye
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Capn Jobe posted:If it counts, Godzilla: King of the Monsters from last year had a cover of Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult. But this version has Serj Tankian, Brendon Small and Gene Hoglan (of Dethklok), an orchestra, and taiko drumming/chanting. Not to nitpick, but Gene Hoglan is probably one of the most prolific drummers in all of metal and he predates Dethklok by like two decades. There's a reason they credited him and Small separately and didn't just say "half of Dethklok" even if that would be technically accurate; dude commands some level of real respect in metal, given that he's drummed for Death, Testament, Dark Angel, Strapping Young Lad and Fear Factory (just off the top of my head).
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May 1, 2020 05:10
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I really think G98’s big misstep is going all Jurassic Park with the baby Zillas in the third act. Why assume everyone wants to see that instead of just focusing the film on mommy G with the possibility of babies as a teaser at the end?
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May 1, 2020 05:51
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's literally more accurate to the original movies. Yeah, when people go “they needed more Godzilla, less of the other monsters” I always wonder if they’ve ever actually seen a Godzilla movie. The baddies always dominate the first half alongside whatever human story is going on, with Godzilla being a brief interlude as he’s vacationing somewhere, until finally the bad kaiju does something bad enough around the halfway point that Big G gets pissed off, comes ashore, slaps it around a bit until it dies or goes away, then goes back to bed. There are movies that don’t follow this formula, of course, but they usually are stories directly about Godzilla (like Destroyah and the whole “melting down” thing), or are like that one that’s more about a latchkey kid getting lost in Tokyo that I’m pretty sure just used old footage like a clip show.
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May 1, 2020 06:21
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I can at least remember aspects of Godzilla 98 unlike 2014 which I can barely remember a single thing about.
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I remember that it had Ferris Bueller and Jean Reno in it. And that's it. Also something about Madison Square Garden and eggs.
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It also rained a lot
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May 1, 2020 07:08
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That and people outright miss the whole point of the first half of the movie is the monsters are seen framed through TVs, windows and apertures, as a recurring motif. It's not very subtle about it.
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May 1, 2020 07:26
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I like 98 Godzilla. Dunno if it's a good "godzilla" movie, but it's fun taken on it's own. Had a fun cartoon, too.
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May 1, 2020 08:18
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Action Jacktion posted:There needs to be a Transformers cartoon based on the More than Meets the Eye comic book. Gay robot buddies having wacky space adventures with their pal Megatron. It'd print money. Heck yeah
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May 1, 2020 08:19
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My guess is 'Prequel' as Transformers go might mean a movie primarily set on Cybertron showing the lead-up to the bigass war rather than the usual hit-the-ground-running approach. Which is a lot more interesting than it sounds- Cybertron is a hosed up place.
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May 1, 2020 08:48
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I’m a fan of robbits that turn into other robbits.
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May 1, 2020 08:59
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The recent Transformers comics have taken a lot of details we take for granted when we were kids and made them pretty serious stuff. Why does Shockwave have a camera head and only one hand? Turns out it was a punishment in the old days of Cybertron. Why does Soundwave have animal robots living in his chest? He was born with the ability to read minds which almost drove him insane until he met oppressed minorities beast-formers like Laserbeak and Ravage who helped him control it.
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May 1, 2020 09:02
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Also, Cybertron has a long, long history of despotic rule, racial oppression and imperialism, leading to the planet being a total powder keg by the time Megatron comes along.
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May 1, 2020 10:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUk7bbeIr2U man it must be getting real cheap to make movies is there a spooky christian thread for this type of poo poo?
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May 1, 2020 10:55
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is this a Christian movie? Cuz he basically pulled a logic on the muslim guy with the Allah thing
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Trollipop posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUk7bbeIr2U okay this is gonna be a long quarantine I'm gonna have to save the second half
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May 1, 2020 11:27
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Alan Smithee posted:is this a Christian movie? Cuz he basically pulled a logic on the muslim guy with the Allah thing Yes. But it's remarkably weird and well-done for those meager standards, so it's been making the rounds.
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May 1, 2020 11:29
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do they even do the whole "But you muslims revere Jesus too!" "muahaha that's just how evil we are!" thing or did they not even do that much research
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May 1, 2020 11:30
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They actually do point out that Jesus is a prophet, yeah, and in fact part of the film does revolve around "Look, let's do as little damage to the timeline as possible in trying to assassinate Jesus. We just want to stop Christianity... no witnesses means it's all good, bro!" This is the most I'll say because it's loving buckwild and I feel I've already tipped some hand.
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May 1, 2020 11:34
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Shouldn't they have been trying to murder Peter or Paul or the council of Nicaea then? Or at least Tertullian, that absolute fucker
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May 1, 2020 11:46
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At first I thought it's just a Christian ripoff of Assassin's Creed, but this is apparently someone throwing a 21st century Clancy and Crichton novel adaptation into a telepod together.
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May 1, 2020 12:16
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Godzilla 98 also had the Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page some Come With Me, which everyone secretly likes.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That's literally more accurate to the original movies. ancient race of god-monsters was really only Mothra's thing back in the day. Maybe Varan if you want to be pedantic.
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HannibalBarca posted:ancient race of god-monsters was really only Mothra's thing back in the day. Maybe Varan if you want to be pedantic. Godzilla was at least as old as the dinosaurs and that's pretty drat ancient. Mind you, I have an inordinate fondness for Skull Island and its batshit insane ecosystem of horrors.
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END ME SCOOB posted:They actually do point out that Jesus is a prophet, yeah, and in fact part of the film does revolve around "Look, let's do as little damage to the timeline as possible in trying to assassinate Jesus. We just want to stop Christianity... no witnesses means it's all good, bro!" If I watch that whole video is it still bad movie night material
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Godzilla was at least as old as the dinosaurs and that's pretty drat ancient. well yeah, but the distinction I'm drawing is that the original Godzilla leans pretty hard into "abomination born of atomic testing", something that G'98 at least touches on, even if there's absolutely no depth involved (and they fob responsibility off onto France, which, eh) G'14 feels something like a more technically competent and less psychedelic version of Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster (Godzilla used as plot resolution device; plot primarily driven by antagonist monster with environmental destruction themes), and there's nothing wrong with that, per se. But a lot of the hype and buz for the movie leaned into Godzilla himself as nuclear allegory, which the movie didn't exactly deliver on. Eh. Probably no use rehashing five-and-a-half year old arguments at this point, to be fair.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Godzilla 98 also had the Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page some Come With Me, which everyone secretly likes. But not as much as Deeper Underground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIUAC03YMlA And "No Shelter" by Rage Against The Machine, which is wild if you listen to the actual lyrics. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 13:56 on May 1, 2020 |
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HannibalBarca posted:G'14 feels something like a more technically competent and less psychedelic version of Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster (Godzilla used as plot resolution device; plot primarily driven by antagonist monster with environmental destruction themes), and there's nothing wrong with that, per se. But a lot of the hype and buz for the movie leaned into Godzilla himself as nuclear allegory, which the movie didn't exactly deliver on. Eh. Probably no use rehashing five-and-a-half year old arguments at this point, to be fair. I think the key to understanding is that G14 doesn't use Godzilla as a nuclear allegory, because that's a metaphor that would be largely lost on a modern American audience. He and the Mutos are instead an allegory for climate change and environmental apocalypse - note how the Mutos are awakened by strip mining. Original recipe Godzilla actively hated humanity and went out of his way to attack humans. G14 is barely aware humans even exist and there's not a drat thing we can do to stop him once he's moving.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:That and people outright miss the whole point of the first half of the movie is the monsters are seen framed through TVs, windows and apertures, as a recurring motif. It's not very subtle about it. I got the point, the movie was just boring as gently caress outside of the 20 minutes of battle at the end.
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Cythereal posted:I think the key to understanding is that G14 doesn't use Godzilla as a nuclear allegory, because that's a metaphor that would be largely lost on a modern American audience. He and the Mutos are instead an allegory for climate change and environmental apocalypse - note how the Mutos are awakened by strip mining. Original recipe Godzilla actively hated humanity and went out of his way to attack humans. G14 is barely aware humans even exist and there's not a drat thing we can do to stop him once he's moving. Yeah, that's what the movie was going for. But, for me, the most integral and interesting part of Godzilla movies (the ones trying to be serious anyway, which G'14 definitely was, if you take the comments of the creative team at face value (which...well, that's another discussion)) is the relationship between Godzilla as an idea and humanity, whether as a whole or the individual characters themselves. I felt like G'14 had pretty slim pickings in that regard. And look, I get that the Godzilla sequels for the most part gradually lost interest in that angle too. But for a movie meant to reintroduce Godzilla as a character to global audiences, it felt like Godzilla was almost an afterthought in terms of plotting and story. For the record, this is not a screen-time argument; I'm just saying that Godzilla didn't feel like a particularly fleshed-out part of the narrative. I know that it's insane to expect anything like G'54 to be made in modern America with a blockbuster budget. But I still feel like there was more that could have been done to make Godzilla the center of the film. Something like Godzilla 2000, where there's an antagonist monster for Godzilla to fight but the relationship between Godzilla and the characters is still a fundamental part of the film, seems like it would have been a good blueprint for that. As hinted at above, I have a sneaking suspicion that there were some studio dictates and creative limitations that led to this, but that's just my opinion. In any event, G'14 is a much better Godzilla movie than G'98 was, even I do think there are some fair criticisms to make of the former. I can't exactly fault non-fans who find more stuff to remember from G'98, but the memorable stuff is memorable mostly by virtue of being truly abysmal.
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Godzilla 98 also had the Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page some Come With Me, which everyone secretly likes. Godzilla 98 sound track is GOAT
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I completely forgot that Godzilla 98 was a Roland Emmerich movie. Also kind of funny that he completely switched gears for The Patriot next.
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