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Avynte
Jun 30, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
lol, Abby lives in a pristine professional gym. This is the first scene you walk up to after taking control.



Inf edit: Don't direct link to the leak.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 14:17 on May 4, 2020

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Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Avynte posted:

lol, Abby lives in a pristine professional gym. This is the first scene you walk up to after taking control.

Edit: Inf snip

Baby's first visual storytelling. Also, why is she the only super jacked one? If her group all keep in shape why is she the only one built like a linebacker?

Somebody fucked around with this message at 14:18 on May 4, 2020

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

all in for tlou2 being extremely blunt its what gamers deserve

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Since there are not really zombies concerning people in this one is the world recovered to some extent? I don't mean back to sanity since there are mad cults or whatever, but are people far more organised than say the starting town of TLOU1 which was pretty good as far as living in the apocalypse goes. That gym does look pretty fancy but I thought all the previews showed Ellie at a nice prom type deal or a dance. It seems like the only truly lovely places are in between settlements, while the settlements themselves are pretty well set up with power and amenities.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Kavak posted:

Baby's first visual storytelling. Also, why is she the only super jacked one? If her group all keep in shape why is she the only one built like a linebacker?

The guy facing camera looks pretty built.

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


JBP posted:

The guy facing camera looks pretty built.

They all wearing longsleeves but her and it bothers me.

Also I want Druckmann to be stupid enough to make her a steroid abuser.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Dewgy posted:

This was absolutely a decision informed by years of other developers trying to do it in other ways. Having the NPC followers be invisible is one of the best possible ways to handle an uncontrollable AI partner, and if there’s one thing the decade before TLOU taught us it’s that escort missions completely suck.

e: Re: Show don’t tell, isn’t a big part of the intro of the game about showing how Joel already shot his neighbor, was implied to kill someone else as well, and abandon an entire family to die? Like, they make it clear right away that Joel is looking out for number one (and number one’s family) above all else and at any cost.

I do think the intro was pretty good, I'm pretty sure the guy he shot was a zombie (or w/e they call them) though, and just ditching strangers when they were still in danger like that didn't really stick with me because it wasn't particularly ruthless. Most people would keep running if they were panicked instead of stopping to help someone.

I lead with the part I did because I think it's the more relevant point. As I said, I don't recall it super clearly so I'll cop to it if I'm wrong, but I recall the game basically saying "Wow Joel, we sure are close now" without actually having much reason to think that. They just started acting a lot friendlier abruptly.


Stux posted:

its already showing and not telling theyve just misunderstood the term because of two different contexts for the word "show" because "show dont tell" comes from writing and doesnt mean literally showing visually. a 20 year time skip through a hard cut where it goes from him emotional and devastated to current day joel where we get scant information on what hes done and have to infer what has been going on for his character change is explicitly showing and not telling, its a pretty big example of it. whether its effective or not is a different thing, but its literally what they are doing. actually showing the things he had done for the last 20 years would be telling.

I'm really skeptical of your ability to critically analyze things if you can't even finish reading a sentence before getting bored and stopping.

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
that post apocalyptic gym looks nicer than mine

am0kgonzo
Jun 18, 2010

Kavak posted:

They all wearing longsleeves but her and it bothers me.

Also I want Druckmann to be stupid enough to make her a steroid abuser.

scavenge pharmacies for test so you unlock new melee finishers

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

Cuntellectual posted:

I do think the intro was pretty good, I'm pretty sure the guy he shot was a zombie (or w/e they call them) though, and just ditching strangers when they were still in danger like that didn't really stick with me because it wasn't particularly ruthless. Most people would keep running if they were panicked instead of stopping to help someone.

I lead with the part I did because I think it's the more relevant point. As I said, I don't recall it super clearly so I'll cop to it if I'm wrong, but I recall the game basically saying "Wow Joel, we sure are close now" without actually having much reason to think that. They just started acting a lot friendlier abruptly.


I'm really skeptical of your ability to critically analyze things if you can't even finish reading a sentence before getting bored and stopping.

lol

Fat_Cow
Dec 12, 2009

Every time I yank a jawbone from a skull and ram it into an eyesocket, I know I'm building a better future.

Looks like he updated his bio too.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019

Fat_Cow posted:

Looks like he updated his bio too.



*abuser of real life human beings that work for me

screaden
Apr 8, 2009
When has this kind of thing ever worked well for someone

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

lurker2006 posted:

*abuser of real life human beings that work for me

That's what he said.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

screaden posted:

When has this kind of thing ever worked well for someone

Joe Abercrombie fantasy books are a good example of loving with your characters for the cruelty of it, but you also enter that contract with the books very quickly.

E: unless you are referring to updating your tweet biography I have no idea if that's a pr good move

screaden
Apr 8, 2009

JBP posted:

Joe Abercrombie fantasy books are a good example of loving with your characters for the cruelty of it, but you also enter that contract with the books very quickly.

E: unless you are referring to updating your tweet biography I have no idea if that's a pr good move

The biography thing

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
He's probably mad/sad irl

Lt Jon Kavanaugh
Feb 8, 2012
Hoping we get some light shed on what exactly is going on at ND and if these leaks are from a disgruntled employee or if something else is up. Also big lol at that dude tearing the first game to shreds and having people who were arguing about whether or not Joel is a good person or not get pissy at him

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

JBP posted:

He's probably mad/sad irl

I mean it does genuinely suck for any writer to have things intended to surprise/shock being leaked without context especially when it's controversial because it means people make up their mind before they see the context and might not be open to what it does. It's not uncommon for games stuff thanks to datamining or such but it does kind of suck.

This isn't a comment on the story being good or not because that doesn't really matter. Someone who devoted years of their lives to something having it cut out from under them sucks.

On the other hand if the rumors about ND are true he's abusing his employees so welp.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
When has proclaiming yourself an abuser of anything been a good look

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Internet Kraken posted:

When has proclaiming yourself an abuser of anything been a good look

"I'm an abuser of Nazis" works pretty well.

The Ultimate Doge
May 1, 2019

by Nyc_Tattoo

ImpAtom posted:

"I'm an abuser of Nazis" works pretty well.

That still sounds a little hosed up, like you're torturing them or were in relationships with several where you treated them badly

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I'm an abuser of cheese strats

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

The Ultimate Doge posted:

That still sounds a little hosed up, like you're torturing them or were in relationships with several where you treated them badly

Freddie Oversteegen owned though.

Avynte
Jun 30, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
after watching the Ellie boss fight, "abuser of characters" is a pretty apt title :barf:

Kavak
Aug 23, 2009


Avynte posted:

after watching the Ellie boss fight, "abuser of characters" is a pretty apt title :barf:

The Tomb Raider 2013 comparisons were dead on.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
So here's an idea for TLoU3: buff lady vs femme twink....also there's some kind of post apocalypse I guess?

Sassy Sasquatch
Feb 28, 2013

Cuntellectual posted:

I lead with the part I did because I think it's the more relevant point. As I said, I don't recall it super clearly so I'll cop to it if I'm wrong, but I recall the game basically saying "Wow Joel, we sure are close now" without actually having much reason to think that. They just started acting a lot friendlier abruptly.

Your critique gave me a good laugh so I won’t hold it against you but man you’re insane. Joel basically holds Ellie responsible for Tess’ death and acts like an rear end in a top hat toward her for a big chunk of the game. He only mellows after she basically saves his rear end multiple times:

https://youtu.be/gvlUHUrtlAk

https://youtu.be/K2FR7zjlba4

Also calling the OST garbage straight out of a Marvel movie is just disingenuous. Acoustic guitar, cellos and percussions is certainly not a groundbreaking choice for the post apocalypse but the music is well executed.

https://youtu.be/XYUErkvORWA

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Joel was kind of a hard as in the original. He may be very mellow in the sequel, if to drive home the fact that people who go on murder sprees can seem like nice people later if you give them enough time.

Ellie was kind of a victim, albeit one who fights back, in the original game. I hope she’s in less sympathetic light here.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Craptacular! posted:

Joel was kind of a hard as in the original. He may be very mellow in the sequel, if to drive home the fact that people who go on murder sprees can seem like nice people later if you give them enough time.

Ellie was kind of a victim, albeit one who fights back, in the original game. I hope she’s in less sympathetic light here.

Yeah the Ellie is bad too angles don't land for me because she was just a result of the poo poo situation. But that's everyone!

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

Cuntellectual posted:

No, actually, the reason I say TLoU is at best competent and is more accurately described as overrated trash.

I don't hate hate people who like TLoU or anything - Opinion are subjective, if you like it you're not wrong - but I hate it because it inspires such insipidly loving braindead takes as this, where people say "OMG GAMES ARE ART NOW, YOU JUST DONT GET IT" because of this trash.

The Last of Us fails on several levels. The first issue I take with it is the title. It's post apocalyptic fiction where humanity is on it's way out. It's on it's last legs. Yet despite that you never fail to run out of convenient groups of soldiers, bandits, cannibals, or whatever whenever the game needs to fill up a shooting gallery with enemies. You can say "oh but everything does that!" but no, good post apocalyptic fiction doesn't. How many fights do the father and son get into on The Road? "That's not a game!" you might protest. Fine, what about LISA? Nearly every enemy has a name and don't respawn. Every fight you get into, you have irreversibly incremented down the count of surviving humans one more notch. The implication is clear: This is it. The end of the human race. You might even say those people are the 'last of us' as a species :thinking:

Now, not every piece of apocalyptic fiction needs to be like that, but a game literally called "The Last of Us" failing to inspire a sense of finality sure isn't a good sign about the quality of the writing to come.

The game is just so drat 'safe'. People talk about how ~emotional~ it is when Joel loses his daughter in the first five minutes. It's one of the cheapest narrative tricks in the book. We as humans have lizard brains that make us more empathetic towards things when we can relate to them; If you say a rock has a family before smashing the rock, people will feel more sympathetic to the rock. That might work for most people, but it's sure not going to work for anyone who can see past how low effort it is. I know it's a lot more work to spend time and effort making people care about a character before killing them off, but if you want a story to have any impact on people who posses critical thinking abilities, you're going to have to do better than that.

Stories don't need to be unique to be good. There's nothing new under the sun, after all. The Last of Us has a plot that's been done many, many times before though, and it fails to do anything beyond that. Joel and Ellie are as generic as generic gets. Naughty Dog builds it's games via series of setpieces and then figuring out how to connect them, which really shows here. The bond between Joel and Ellie feels like poo poo I'd see in a loving light novel, where the explanation for why they get closer is "because they're the main characters, silly!" and everything else in the game is like that too. You can basically tell every character's arc just from knowing the genre the game is in along with knowing the writers are hacks.

Most of the moment to moment dialogue isn't much better. The game goes to comical lengths to make all of the antagonists as evil as possible, and then makes Joel and Ellie do terrible things too to make ~moral ambiguity~ but it all just loving falls flat for me because you get to the point where there's no reason to be invested in them except Stockholm syndrome.

The gameplay is functional at best, repetitive and poorly executed at worst. It's just a series of AAA gameplay features like stupid instant crafting, garbage stealth where your AI partners could be sucking the enemies off and they wouldn't notice, and loving quick time events.

The shooting sucks too. All the guns are boringly generic without things like Metro 2033's quality/bad quality ammo to liven it up, along with shooting that uses the loving bumpers to fire instead of the triggers. The one kind of zombie you have to slow walk past is also fuckin tedious because they so rarely are around other enemies or anything. Not to mention getting close means instant death for whatever reason, despite only detecting noise. Your noise, I mean. Not ellie's. She can run around like a dumbass child hopped up on coke and pop rocks and they won't notice any more than the humans.

At least there's the mu- Oh wait no, there is no fuckin music half the time and what's there is once again generic as generic gets. It's like a Marvel movie soundtrack or something, which means you just get to sit in somber silence as you solve such creative puzzles as 'move the ladder then climb up it real slow'.

Once again, if you like it, I don't really care. There are people who like everything from the straight up irredeemably bad to the sleep inducingly mediocre and it doesn't make a difference to me. What I do loving hate is people who act like people who have actually experienced something actually well made are the ones who are wrong because they call TLoU out for the overrated trash it is.

PS: Better things you could play than The Last of Us.

LISA the Painful - Infinitely better integration of story and gameplay elements, far better reasons to empathize with why the main character does the horrible things he does without resorting to cheap tricks or exposition.
Spec Ops: The Line - Much more interesting 3rd person shooting mechanics along with more natural dialogue and a story that displays to us why the characters grow the way they do.
Metro 2033
The STALKER series

Also, Children of Men and The Road.

Finally a good post in this thread

SUNKOS
Jun 4, 2016


I really enjoyed TLOU (I know it was a ripoff of The Road) but part of that was the excellent multiplayer which they've removed from Part 2. The gameplay videos they've released still look good but the lack of multiplayer really is a big downer to me. I haven't read any of the leaks or spoilers (but I'm not that fussed about that kind of thing, anyways) but seeing so much key talent leave Naughty Dog over recent years to leave them as the Neil Druckmann Studio has left me suspecting that things aren't going very well there, especially with the reports of how lovely staff are treated and that sexual harassment thing ND & Sony tried to cover-up unsuccessfully. Amy Hennig being pushed out was the first warning light and it was really obvious that Uncharted 4 suffered for it, glancing over these posts I take it the downward trajectory has continued and they've hosed up TLOU2? I was counting on this to be Naughty Dog's return to form.

Firstborn
Oct 14, 2012

i'm the heckin best
yeah
yeah
yeah
frig all the rest
You really said the music is bad in TLOU? You think Gustavo Santaolalla is making "generic Avengers music"?
Take 5 minutes and watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejdjcun2Jo4
Skip to about 3:50. He sometimes used things like broken guitars, household items you'd find repurposed as potential instruments in the apocalypse, and seldom heard or mixed instruments to convey the idea of disparate pieces having to come together.
The music in this game is instantly recognizable, and I can't pick out a single goddamn Avengers track. There's been video essays about how generic the Marvel movie soundtracks are, but when you hear https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssLAf5akbfU, 10 seconds in you know it

You are also probably one of the ones who threw their hands up to an invisible referee when you heard the game was an "escort quest" and then want to complain about enemies not being able to see Ellie

Firstborn fucked around with this message at 14:40 on May 1, 2020

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
The Last of Us is at its best when it puts you in situations with like 2 bullets, a shotgun shell, a board and you have to fight six human enemies. I think that's pretty solid gameplay and certainly not just uncharted redux. The game doesn't always do this, though, and especially it never really does this on the lower difficulty settings.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Cuntellectual posted:

Even if this is a joke, which I doubt it is

Not very bright are ya

i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
I really don't get why people like spec ops so much. I mean it's a cool idea and it's a good story but the gameplay is trash. If you took away the story and just played the game it would be like a forgotten bargain bin game.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

i must compose posted:

I really don't get why people like spec ops so much. I mean it's a cool idea and it's a good story but the gameplay is trash. If you took away the story and just played the game it would be like a forgotten bargain bin game.

I wouldn't say that. The gameplay is completely competent and functional, most "bargain bin" games aren't even that.

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?
Spec Ops was a pretty forgettable game for me. I really think the gameplay held it back immensely since most people point out its story but when I try to remember it, all I can think of is white phosphorus and heart of darkness.

i must compose
Jul 4, 2010

Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
I don't mean to poo poo on it, I just don't think it's like immensely better than last of us or the metro series or even as good.

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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

i must compose posted:

I don't mean to poo poo on it, I just don't think it's like immensely better than last of us or the metro series or even as good.

Oh it's nowhere near as good as TLOU on a gameplay level. Anyone saying TLOU wasn't a well made game definitely never played on Hard, Survivor or Grounded difficulty.

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