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Trollipop
Apr 10, 2007

hippin and hoppin

Alan Smithee posted:

If I watch that whole video is it still bad movie night material

The director is certifiably nutty but the producer has come out with questionable gold, including Gary Coleman's last film, Midgets Vs. Mascots (2008), which also features the little guy from In Bruges. :discourse:

https://youtu.be/51y64KtGGRI

2012s "Bad Kids Go to Hell"

https://youtu.be/3Q74KyQlm_k

I'm wondering what the producers motives are in all this


I don't know if any of them are suitable for an entire watch through but the clips are pretty good.

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Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Chairman Capone posted:

I completely forgot that Godzilla 98 was a Roland Emmerich movie. Also kind of funny that he completely switched gears for The Patriot next.

There should have been dinosaurs in The Patriot.

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



I think Edwards played it safe for both Godzilla and rogue one, being it was his first major projects.the man can direct though, there's some beautiful shots (and sound design) in both films.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

I think Edwards played it safe for both Godzilla and rogue one, being it was his first major projects.the man can direct though, there's some beautiful shots (and sound design) in both films.

Well, keep in mind a big chunk of the latter film was directed by Tony Gilroy.

HannibalBarca
Sep 11, 2016

History shows, again and again, how nature points out the folly of man.

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

I think Edwards played it safe for both Godzilla and rogue one, being it was his first major projects.the man can direct though, there's some beautiful shots (and sound design) in both films.

If we take Edwards at his word about what he wanted/intended for Godzilla to be in G'14, and then contrast it with the stated intentions of Thomas Tull (Producer/then-CEO of Legendary), it's seems pretty clear (given how the movie turned out) that there may have been some...creative tensions, let's say.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


The thing is, his only other movie is Monsters, which while I do like it, is not exactly audacious. Probably my biggest takeaway from the rewatch is how clear the line is from Jurassic Park to Monsters to Godzilla '14. Like if you based multiple movies around trying to get a good look at the T-Rex from inside the Jeep.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

CopywrightMMXI posted:

Godzilla 98 also had the Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page some Come With Me, which everyone secretly likes.

Kashmir is better on its own tho

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
G14 is not ashamed of Godzilla, it's reverent.

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ghost Leviathan posted:

That and people outright miss the whole point of the first half of the movie is the monsters are seen framed through TVs, windows and apertures, as a recurring motif. It's not very subtle about it.

The TV bit is particularly egregious because it's immediately preceded by the first clear shot of the big guy in the movie. You don't show the monster and then take it away.

The problem isn't that we can't see him, it's that we do see him briefly after being constantly teased... then we go back to being teased.

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me
The main problem with G14 isn't the monsters or how they're portrayed, its the cliches and wooden acting surrounding the films lead human actor bogging the whole thing down. There's some really great shots throughout the film but then they drag you back to like 15 minutes of Army Man mulling about and you start to get the impression that the movie thinks its a lot smarter than it really is.

Godzilla '98 is just nonsense. It did give us a nice cartoon series so I guess it has that going for it.

Sir Kodiak
May 14, 2007


I actually like that the main character is relatively stoic and reserved, but I'll admit that doesn't make it exciting. We do, after all, get scenes where he lets his guard down. They're just relatively rare because he spends much of the movie dealing with various high-pressure situations where he keeps himself buttoned up. To me it gets away from wooden because Aaron Taylor-Johnson is always reacting to what going on, to the people around him, just in a relatively subdued manner. And I enjoy that more as a break from the typically manic action protagonists than it being "smart" or whatever. But that's a preference thing and I get, for example, missing the energy that Bryan Cranston brings to the early parts of the movie.

Sir Kodiak fucked around with this message at 20:07 on May 1, 2020

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

People just automatically assume a hero character is "wooden" if they're not smugly quipping through danger.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Godzilla 2014 had one of the greatest trailers of all time and they tried to scrub it from the internet (it contains the body of a monster that isn't the MUTOs is probably the reason). Not sure any movie could've lived up to that teaser.

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me

Detective No. 27 posted:

People just automatically assume a hero character is "wooden" if they're not smugly quipping through danger.

I'll be honest, I'm kind of sick of smug quips after like 12+ years of Marvel Movies.

I feel like his character could have worked if he had someone else to play off of, someone who's not as experienced or put-together to emphasize his hardened military man traits. As it is I don't think his performance was strong enough to carry the movie on its own.

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



I like Aaron Johnson, and I think the idea was to contrast his stoicism with Cranston's unhinginess, but boy howdy did it fail.im pretty sure they came up with the halo set piece and then just worked backwards from it.

The first Godzilla shot-reveal is so jarring and out of place for the tension building I'm fairly certain that wasn't set up by Edwards.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Either Gareth Edwards is a genius and studios keep loving up his movies, or he's such an incompetent hack that studios have to save his poo poo all the time. No in between.

Americans wanting to make another Godzilla should watch Shin Godzilla. The GOAT. Take notes.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


MasqueradeOverture posted:

Americans wanting to make another Godzilla should watch Shin Godzilla. The GOAT. Take notes.

I grew up as a huge kaiju nut and I can't believe it took me years to see Shin Godzilla.

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

Groovelord Neato posted:

Godzilla 2014 had one of the greatest trailers of all time and they tried to scrub it from the internet (it contains the body of a monster that isn't the MUTOs is probably the reason). Not sure any movie could've lived up to that teaser.

frankly, despite the fact that I love love love that teaser trailer (it's really well done considering it was made before a single frame of the actual movie was shot) and have nostalgic feelings for it because I was in the room at Comic-Con when they unveiled it (and then showed it again because it got such a positive reception, the room went absolutely batshit for it, deservedly so), I think that the first real teaser that starts by building up to the HALO jump is a better trailer. The HALO dive is such an iconic shot in a movie full of iconic shots (so much so that they made reference to it in KotM) and the music they have for it (especially in the second half with very limited noise leading up to the roar) is really the perfect way to build tension. Probably one of my all-time favorite movie trailers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKO10hKtYw

I also love G14 and think it's on par with Shin so I'm fairly biased.

Fat Lou
Jan 21, 2008

Desert Heat? I thought it was Dessert Heat. No wonder it tastes so bad.

DC Murderverse posted:

frankly, despite the fact that I love love love that teaser trailer (it's really well done considering it was made before a single frame of the actual movie was shot) and have nostalgic feelings for it because I was in the room at Comic-Con when they unveiled it (and then showed it again because it got such a positive reception, the room went absolutely batshit for it, deservedly so), I think that the first real teaser that starts by building up to the HALO jump is a better trailer. The HALO dive is such an iconic shot in a movie full of iconic shots (so much so that they made reference to it in KotM) and the music they have for it (especially in the second half with very limited noise leading up to the roar) is really the perfect way to build tension. Probably one of my all-time favorite movie trailers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjKO10hKtYw

I also love G14 and think it's on par with Shin so I'm fairly biased.

That is not even the best trailer for that movie. It is the Comic Con one from 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp9vuooM7LQ

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


That's the one I was talking about that he's responding to. I still get chills watching it.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
what are the ad wizards adapting this time? Cavemen commercials? Fan fiction? Cereal boxes?

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1256314347279642625?s=20

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1256317177948286976?s=20

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Bubble actually had a story but as far as I know they just did one season. So it is kind of weird to do a movie out of it.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Yeah, it's basically Buffy the Vampire Slayer but on a space colony run by corporate dystopia.

JfishPirate
Jun 24, 2006
I have been grossly misinformed about witches.
Speaking of Godzilla 2014, the story writer David Callaham (also writer on Doom 2005, Expendables 1-3, an uncredited rewrite on Ant-Man 1 and two unreleased comic book films, WW84 and Shang-Chi) has been confirmed as the writer for the upcoming Hercules film. Disney has officially greenlit the project, and the Russo brothers will produce, rather than directing.

The choice here seems to point towards a PG-13 rating, following after Mulan (the first PG-13 Disney remake). I feel like a PG-13 'non-stop action' film in the vein of comic book films and The Expendables is a solid fit, though I'm a bit skeptical of just using Disney properties to make additional Marvel-style films. Someone here previously mentioned the Marvel Hercules, who is a phenomenal character, but if Disney is making a PG-13 Russo brother produced Hercules (that isn't the Marvel Hercules), odds are very dim for the Marvel Hercules to ever make more than a token film appearance in the MCU.

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



GIANT SIZED MAN-THING MOVIE WHEN?


Yes I know about the 2005 movie
Yes yes I've checked pornhub

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me
Doom 2016 was much better than Doom 2005 but personally I'll always be a fan of Doom 1993.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
I wish they made more than one Doom

Like a bad 80s one. I don’t care when the game came out

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I hope somebody else here has seen A Fall From Grace, because ho lee gently caress. Tyler Perry has been smoking some serious poo poo.

This is on the level of The Book of Henry and Serenity

The Klowner fucked around with this message at 05:25 on May 2, 2020

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Do tell

Tyler perry has got to be hurting since he just built a multi million dollar studio in Atlanta

Then again they are probably shooting anyway

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Alan Smithee posted:

Do tell

Tyler perry has got to be hurting since he just built a multi million dollar studio in Atlanta

Then again they are probably shooting anyway

First act is a pretty bog standard setup - unproven Virginia defense attorney gets her first big case (wife killed her husband) from her ball-busting boss (Tyler Perry), it's open and shut, but the defendant has a heart of gold.

Second act we learn that the husband, a young stud introduced to the defendant by her best friend, was perfect in every way until he transformed into a mustache-twirling cartoon villain seemingly overnight: stole wife's identity and money, flagrantly cheated on her in front of her, verbally abused her. then the first twist: she admits to the protagonist that she whacked him in the head with a baseball bat and admitted the crime to her best friend. Trial goes horribly, protagonist is shown to be basically completely incompetent, and finally the best friend spills the beans to the prosecutor on the stand. After this stunning admission, the protagonist rests her defense, then refuses to make a closing statement and impotently demands a retrial until she gets thrown in jail for contempt of court. Tyler Perry fires her because she's a massive idiot.

At this point, you'd think that this is the classic point of the hero's journey where our protagonist, at her lowest point, turns everything around and saves the day? Well, she goes to the best friend's house to discuss a possible appeal and discovers a dungeon full of old ladies in the basement. Best friend captures and subdues the protagonist with the help of her son, a.k.a. wife's supposedly-murdered husband. Turns out they've been luring little old ladies, kidnapping them, and cashing their social security checks for decades. Luckily, Protagonist's husband, a cop, comes to the house to save her. He busts down the door, cuffs the best friend after she attempts to knock him out with a frying pan, and... just tells her to stay put (whereupon she immediately escapes). Cop gets jumped by Evil Husband, protagonist undoes her bindings and shoots him. Cue denouement: all charges are dropped, wife goes free, protagonist looks over get shoulder and Tyler Perry gives her a nod and a thumbs up. But... Evil Best Friend is shown walking into an old folks home. The End...?

For the sake of time I had to leave out some of the finer details, but this movie really is a piece of work.

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It's not even completely insane, as far as insane movies go. It's just that you can imagine the most rote by-the-books guilty saint plot from the premise, and then you see the wall of chained-up old biddies that look and move like literal zombies and you realize that Tyler Perry tore up the last 20 pages of this AI-generated script and decided to have some fun

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
Sounds like it’s be easier to run a church :v:

MechanicalTomPetty
Oct 30, 2011

Runnin' down a dream
That never would come to me
That last act sounds like something straight out of a John Waters film.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Alan Smithee posted:

I wish they made more than one Doom

Like a bad 80s one. I don’t care when the game came out

They actually made more than one Doom movie.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
gently caress me how did I completely memory hole that

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Alhazred posted:

They actually made more than one Doom movie.

Holy poo poo

And it's subtitled "annihilation" which, as we all know, is the preferred subtitle for truly excellent video game movie sequels.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Alan Smithee posted:

gently caress me how did I completely memory hole that

Everybody did.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Wasn't it explicitly an as-cheap-as-possible, in name only adaptation solely so they didn't lose the rights to the franchise?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The thing I'll never understand about the Doom movie is why they made it dumber than if they had more directly adapted the premise. There's a decent horror flick to be made out of the original Doom but they made it worse in every possible way.

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Leave
Feb 7, 2012

Taking the term "Koopaling" to a whole new level since 2016.

The Clowner posted:

I hope somebody else here has seen A Fall From Grace, because ho lee gently caress. Tyler Perry has been smoking some serious poo poo.

This is on the level of The Book of Henry and Serenity

I didn't think it was that bad. The reveal at the end seemed...Well, ho lee gently caress was a pretty good summary. Up until that point, it was kind of a boring drama murder mystery.

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