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DJ is supposed to be irredeemable han solo which was a twist designed to play on your expectations from having seen the popular star wars movie franchise, which is why he's a bad character because understanding his narrative role is predicated on being nostalgic for another, better performance.
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reignofevil posted:DJ is supposed to be irredeemable han solo which was a twist designed to play on your expectations from having seen the popular star wars movie franchise, which is why he's a bad character because understanding his narrative role is predicated on being nostalgic for another, better performance. Or being even slightly familiar with this sort of movie in general. Han Solo is not the first or last scoundrel with a heart of gold.
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Apr 29, 2020 15:05
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No, but the golden scoundrel of my heart.
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Apr 29, 2020 16:51
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TLJ is like a movie made by someone who thinks they're a filmmaking genius because they've seen ALL the Star Wars movies.
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Apr 30, 2020 16:52
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TLJ is a movie made by someone who thinks they're a filmmaking genius because they made three genius films before it and would go on to make a fifth genius film after it.
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Apr 30, 2020 16:59
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Calling Looper, The brother's bloom, and Brick genius is a bit of a stretch.
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Apr 30, 2020 17:19
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But you're with me on Knives Out!
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Apr 30, 2020 17:26
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PeterWeller posted:But you're with me on Knives Out! The third act is a little soft.
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Apr 30, 2020 18:14
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Ghost Leviathan posted:TLJ is like a movie made by someone who thinks they're a filmmaking genius because they've seen ALL the Star Wars movies. I don’t see how this applies any less to the JJ films
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Apr 30, 2020 21:22
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Guy A. Person posted:I don’t see how this applies any less to the JJ films it's such a nonspecific burn that you can apply it to pretty much anything
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Apr 30, 2020 21:27
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Cease to Hope posted:it's such a nonspecific burn that you can apply it to pretty much anything It's a refreshing change from "RJ doesn't understand Star Wars!"
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Apr 30, 2020 21:29
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Cease to Hope posted:it's such a nonspecific burn that you can apply it to pretty much anything If RotS has better burns than you, you gotta question your path. Are you a poster... or a poser?
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Apr 30, 2020 21:29
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CainFortea posted:Calling Looper, The brother's bloom, and Brick genius is a bit of a stretch. People like to forget that Rian Johnson also directed Ozymandias, the best episode of Breaking Bad, and according to a lot of people, the best episode of television in history...
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Apr 30, 2020 22:07
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nine-gear crow posted:People like to forget that Rian Johnson also directed Ozymandias, the best episode of Breaking Bad, and according to a lot of people, the best episode of television in history... Those people forget that there was a whole show preceding that episode. It was a fantastic episode, mind you.
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Apr 30, 2020 22:38
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nine-gear crow posted:People like to forget that Rian Johnson also directed Ozymandias, the best episode of Breaking Bad, and according to a lot of people, the best episode of television in history... And yet, he's no Michelle MacLaren. FWIW I actually cannot think of any modern director who fits the weird commercial auteur status Lucas and company had in the day. Rian is probably both the closest and the best choice despite his understandable inability to mine a good film out of a desperate corporate mandate.
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Apr 30, 2020 23:10
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FunkyAl posted:FWIW I actually cannot think of any modern director who fits the weird commercial auteur status Lucas and company had in the day. Rian is probably both the closest and the best choice despite his understandable inability to mine a good film out of a desperate corporate mandate. It seems to be what Disney is attempting to cultivate lately, with mixed results. taika waititi maybe?
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May 1, 2020 01:36
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Guy A. Person posted:I don’t see how this applies any less to the JJ films hes only seen half of them
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May 1, 2020 05:32
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a new hope, return of the jedi, and the phantom menace
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Guy A. Person posted:I don’t see how this applies any less to the JJ films Why wouldn't it? Hence 'seems like', since kind of the problem is that the movies seem keen to only use or subvert devices and elements with Star Wars precedent, and acts as if doing something a Star Wars movie hasn't previously done is a shocking unprecedented swerve that really makes the audience think. Every sign of a franchise that's high on its own farts and sense of self-importance with also absolutely terrified of making its audience confused and angry by doing something different- a grating mix of self-importance and a crippling lack of confidence. Rogue One works better specifically because it actually homages the stuff that the original Star Wars did; war movies, westerns and wuxia, and by having minimal appearances by the famous Star Wars characters it actually gives them some impact. (Darth Vader making a dad joke and then being a horror movie monster) And even then, it mostly gets by on the final act kicking rear end, the rest of the movie is a mess. FunkyAl posted:And yet, he's no Michelle MacLaren. Lord and Miller?
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Cease to Hope posted:It seems to be what Disney is attempting to cultivate lately, with mixed results. taika waititi maybe? It's fundamentally impossible for them to cultivate an anti-establishment filmmaker, which is nice. I don't get the Taika hype. Ghost Leviathan posted:Lord and Miller? They're OK! But are they really Auteurs? I feel like if they were we'd have a little more Clone High and a lot less The Lego Movies.
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FunkyAl posted:It's fundamentally impossible for them to cultivate an anti-establishment filmmaker, which is nice. I don't get the Taika hype. I don't think Lucas was ever an antiestablishment filmmaker! Waititi has a distinct authorial (auteurial?) voice that comes through even with Disney's relentless branding machine, I would say.
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Cease to Hope posted:I don't think Lucas was ever an antiestablishment filmmaker! Waititi has a distinct authorial (auteurial?) voice that comes through even with Disney's relentless branding machine, I would say. Well whether his ad copy is an accurate reflection of the kind of filmmaker he is or was, Lucas at least seems to think he was anti-hollywood and in his career took tons of steps to maintain creative control of his work. So much that is establishment now is a result of that rebellious energy, not just from George, and whatever Watiti's strength as a filmmaker he seems content to work within that system, Unlike Lucas, Coppola, Walt Disney, and many others.
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May 2, 2020 15:06
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Lucas and Disney only wanted to change the system because they wanted to BE the system. Which they are now.
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May 2, 2020 15:14
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CainFortea posted:Lucas and Disney only wanted to change the system because they wanted to BE the system. Which they are now. So how the hell can you restrike that lightning. Who has that fire?
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May 2, 2020 15:43
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FunkyAl posted:So how the hell can you restrike that lightning. Who has that fire? What does that have to do with the price of butter?
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FunkyAl posted:So how the hell can you restrike that lightning. Who has that fire? Anyone who can talk a studio into financing them doing a cutting edge movie without strict oversight. Which is to say no one.
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Conversely you can imagine the people making these movies, including but not limited to george and steven, as a group of friends who fell into big commercial success and had a blast going on a one time great ride. All the actors and the crew, all the special effects dudes and puppeteers, the editors and a couple of the monty python people and that poo poo. There's a story Carrie Fisher tells where the whole cast were all up all night drinking with monty python the night before the cloud city shoot. They all probably had drama, people got together and or divorced, and they all signed each other's yearbooks at the end of production. Jim Henson is there at the wrap party with his evil bong, the guys who blew up the death star blow a bunch of poo poo up in a field, and some people realize they're alive for the first time. Anyway, now the board of directors hires the guy who makes movies for very cheap and puts them in a computer simulated lab environment to direct hypercompetent droves of filmmaker/animators, gives them a script and then re-edits the whole thing with a new director after they decide what they don't like. It is marketed as an attempt to replicate the first thing, the rise of skywalker's bonus footage is mostly footage behind the scenes of the OT. There are parties but they aren't very good. CainFortea posted:What does that have to do with the price of butter? Part of the pursuit of money is the pursuit of a hard to sell idea. Having the money means having creative control. The drive to raise that money for that specific, individual idea is a different sort of thing than being paid to have someone's old idea.
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Okay, so you said "So much that is establishment now is a result of that rebellious energy..." I pointed out that it wasn't rebellious energy, it was simply them wanting to change who was on top.
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May 2, 2020 16:35
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CainFortea posted:Okay, so you said "So much that is establishment now is a result of that rebellious energy..." How can either of us actually pretend to know their real motivation? To me it seems like they were young and wanted to start some poo poo, and that they lucked into most of it, and changed some stuff for a while. I'm sure they wanted to change the pecking order, but isn't that what sparks real rebellions? Are rebels typically satisfied with their social standing?
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May 2, 2020 16:55
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George just wanted to make films. Like, he was smart about it, but it seems more than anything he is/was just a film nerd. Walt...wanted to take over the world?
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Some Goon posted:George just wanted to make films. Like, he was smart about it, but it seems more than anything he is/was just a film nerd. And he would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for you meddling kids and your dog
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May 2, 2020 19:11
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Some Goon posted:George just wanted to make films. Like, he was smart about it, but it seems more than anything he is/was just a film nerd. Walt probably lucked into everything too, despite the fact he successfully took over California.
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May 2, 2020 19:46
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People don't have one set of motivations their entire life. It's entirely possible for Lucas, Spielberg, etc. to have had a rebellious energy at one point and then the faces of the new machine at a later point.
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May 2, 2020 20:19
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George Lucas was a pretty obvious pedophile imo
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:George Lucas was a pretty obvious pedophile imo Because he made movies in the USA?
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Grendels Dad posted:Because he made movies in the USA? Because Indiana Jones hosed Marion when she was a child (Lucas specifically wanted her to have been 12) and when she calls him on it it's treated like a lovers' spat and she's being unreasonable. Then she falls in love with her abuser again.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Because Indiana Jones hosed Marion when she was a child (Lucas specifically wanted her to have been 12) and when she calls him on it it's treated like a lovers' spat and she's being unreasonable. Then she falls in love with her abuser again. Oh poo poo, right. That.
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Grendels Dad posted:Oh poo poo, right. That. Plus Jabba the Hutt is a pretty obvious outlet for his fetishes.
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FunkyAl posted:Walt probably lucked into everything too, despite the fact he successfully took over California. Dude for all intents and purposes was basically a supervillain.
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