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Shinji2015 posted:I did a YT search on TLoU2 when news first broke about the leak, and one of the first videos that showed up was a video from The Quartering, and going by the title, he was gloating that people hated the spoilers because there were SJW lesbians in it. most of the spoilers are without context and i never liked joel because he was gas lighting broken sociopath who should have died with his first daughter and him getting the andrew ryan style head bashing makes me laugh. plus i like switcharoos like that in stories. it sucks that it got leaked it seems to me the stuff that got liked was specifically picked to piss people off(both chuds and die hard fans). honestly the spoilers mad me more interested because it does seem to be trying to do the cyclical nature of revenge and violence, idk if it will do it amazingly but gently caress it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 3, 2020 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:I can't remember if it's online anymore, but iirc Games Workshop is a publicly trade company, which isn't very common in table top gaming. During one of their annual letters to shareholders the CEO at the time bragged about how they'd beaten flash in the pan crazes like Pokemon and how great and unstoppable GW was at selling to kids. they have thankfully gotten better. they are going back to old fantasy more often now and trying to branch of with diffrent genres under the brands. i also like that they move forward in the timeline in 40k instead of being forever 10 seconds before midnight. they also seem to be giving the IP out to better devs instead of just making farmvile/mobile games/turn based clones.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:most of the spoilers are without context and i never liked joel because he was gas lighting broken sociopath who should have died with his first daughter and him getting the andrew ryan style head bashing makes me laugh. plus i like switcharoos like that in stories. it sucks that it got leaked it seems to me the stuff that got liked was specifically picked to piss people off(both chuds and die hard fans). honestly the spoilers mad me more interested because it does seem to be trying to do the cyclical nature of revenge and violence, idk if it will do it amazingly but gently caress it. Yea I was initially thinking about how I don't really want to see a sequel to TLOU, but after seeing those spoilers I'm really curious to see if they can make it work. It can be real easy to assume the worst of an upcoming thing when all you have is a list of plot points.
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The TLOU leaks looked like some pretty basic "revenge is bad" poo poo, plus of course the lesbian couple has to be broken up and one of them has to die, can't have a gay relationship that doesn't end in tragedy, ever. At this point I'm pretty much sick of AAA western games trying to tell a deep, emotional story. They're all so bad at it, and they all feel like they are written entirely by 30-something men exclusively for an audience of 30-something men.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they have thankfully gotten better. they are going back to old fantasy more often now and trying to branch of with diffrent genres under the brands. i also like that they move forward in the timeline in 40k instead of being forever 10 seconds before midnight. they also seem to be giving the IP out to better devs instead of just making farmvile/mobile games/turn based clones. Well, now they're stuck just 20 minutes after midnight though. I dunno, maybe they'll move a few steps forward in the next decade. But yeah, them being much less shy about getting better devs to make games is a big improvement. It's just hilarious that Total Warham got big after fantasy got nuked.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I can't remember if it's online anymore, but iirc Games Workshop is a publicly trade company, which isn't very common in table top gaming. During one of their annual letters to shareholders the CEO at the time bragged about how they'd beaten flash in the pan crazes like Pokemon and how great and unstoppable GW was at selling to kids. I am admittedly completely ignorant of most things tabletop, but WOW.
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Arcsquad12 posted:This is the same ceo who referred to citadel miniatures as sacred valuable jewels, rather than plastic/pewter/resin cocaine addictions. How dare you, sir. They were Jewel Like Objects of Wonder.
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Gonna be poetic when we're running low on IPs to do collaboration spirit events with for Smash Bros. and end up making 40K ones because there's Warhammer games on the Switch. And one of the spirit fights will have you fighting a Pokemon.
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Casey Finnigan posted:The TLOU leaks looked like some pretty basic "revenge is bad" poo poo, plus of course the lesbian couple has to be broken up and one of them has to die, can't have a gay relationship that doesn't end in tragedy, ever. neither die. ellie just gets super hosed up i thought new god of war told a pretty good story and i disliked the series previously. Argas posted:Well, now they're stuck just 20 minutes after midnight though. I dunno, maybe they'll move a few steps forward in the next decade. But yeah, them being much less shy about getting better devs to make games is a big improvement. It's just hilarious that Total Warham got big after fantasy got nuked. they are trying to finish of the horus heresy line and than they will move forward. Srice posted:Yea I was initially thinking about how I don't really want to see a sequel to TLOU, but after seeing those spoilers I'm really curious to see if they can make it work. same. the leak made me interested enough to probably pick it up. i liked 1 enough but it wasn't my thing.
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Nuns with Guns posted:On the up side, Games Workshop has done a lot to turn around Age of Sigmar and rehabbing the awkward state 40k was in since they kicked out the blisteringly stupid CEO who was convinced Warhammer "beat" Pokemon. Yeah, they've improved a lot in more recent time thankfully, they pretty much turned the dial back on the Fantasy stuff and are doing WFRP again, actually looking at their specialist games again.
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Nuns with Guns posted:On the up side, Games Workshop has done a lot to turn around Age of Sigmar and rehabbing the awkward state 40k was in since they kicked out the blisteringly stupid CEO who was convinced Warhammer "beat" Pokemon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TuA-o8pnw pretty much.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:neither die. ellie just gets super hosed up i thought new god of war told a pretty good story and i disliked the series previously. Well that actually is encouraging. At least that way their relationship feels like it's being treated like any other would be in that setting. I feel like God of War went from "juvenile power fantasy" to "trying to be deep and mature" along the same trajectory as the rest of the Western games industry. It's not like it's all bad, Horizon: Zero Dawn, The Witcher 3, and Red Dead Redemption 2 were pretty well written as far as these things go. I dunno, I feel like my criticisms of western AAA game writing are the same ones I have for American prestige TV: mostly a bunch of crap that's self-consciously trying to be deep and mature.
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dmboogie posted:this was interesting because i think it's the first Trainwreckords album that wasn't an unsalvageable, awful disaster Mr Wendal was a pretty big hit, but yeah, it's aged shockingly (it seriously veers straight into Magical Negro territory - ironic for a group so big into Afrocentrism), and honestly, the song he singles out for criticism, Warm Sentiments, is some pretty big yikes territory - but then, and I don't think this isn't a controversial opinion, any song in which we're expected to sympathise with a man berating a woman for getting an abortion and making it all about him is kind of creepy and gross. It's not a stretch to see people listing to this song, finding it skeezy and going "oh shut the gently caress up, Speech." edogawa rando fucked around with this message at 23:43 on May 3, 2020 |
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Casey Finnigan posted:Well that actually is encouraging. At least that way their relationship feels like it's being treated like any other would be in that setting. i can agree with that. i have a soft spot for the writing so idk, i am weird. i feel god of war went in a more positive direction, like yeah kraitos is never be some positive beam of sunshine but he grew as person and so did the kid. plus i like "small" stories. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 23:58 on May 3, 2020 |
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Jamie Faith posted:I remember hearing that some of the cast treated a trans person who worked on the show like garbage I think you're conflating two different terrible things that Jeffery Tambor did on two different television show sets. Arrested Development had him yelling at Hollywood Legend Jessica Walter and bullying her to the point that her recounting it during a live panel saw her tearing up and the (male) cast realizing in real time that they were all apologizing for an rear end in a top hat and basically doubling down on it. Now, Transparent, a show which aged about 5 years every time a new season came out considering during that first season everyone thought it was so brave that a respected male actor was playing a trans woman who was coming out in her old age (ala Caitlyn Jenner) and by the end of the show everyone was like "wait this is really gross maybe we should just have trans people playing trans people", and while the show did hire trans writers/crew members and cast trans people to play trans people at a much higher rate in the later seasons, that was ruined by Jeffery Tambor harassing and abusing multiple transwomen on set to the point where the final season was made entirely without its star because he's a piece of poo poo. Jeffery Tambor is a piece of poo poo.
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BigRed0427 posted:So what even was the final season of that show anyway without Tambor? I guess it ended up just being a movie, it was a musical. I dunno much more than that.
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BigRed0427 posted:So what even was the final season of that show anyway without Tambor? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5k8ZQsZJpk
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Calico Heart posted:Never watched angry joe but is it that hard to believe someone who made their career “being angry at video games” would be a chud? Hey how's that rigorous evaluation system woking for The Angry Video Game Need? 
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:GW's unrelenting stupidity during that era is the stuff of legends and I say this as someone who isn't terribly involved in the tabletop scene. I'm glad they finally managed to turn things around and I hope the pandemic doesn't completely gently caress them over. They've been... shockingly competent and cool through this lockdown. Shut down all their facilities and stores while giving their staff full pay, refusing to open back up while there's a risk, meanwhile their social media team have been running daily live-steams from home encouraging people to work on their models/projects and generally just keep active and positive. If any of you fancy a glimpse of the horrors that was GW during the badtimes, Goonhammer did a pretty indepth interview with one of the former devs talking about all sorts of behind the scenes poo poo: https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-interview-with-james-hewitt-part-1-age-of-sigmar-and-40k/
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They also did an electronic voucher program to essentially let you preorder stuff with a discount even though their production is shut down which is a pretty fair way to handle things.
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SteelMentor posted:They've been... shockingly competent and cool through this lockdown. Shut down all their facilities and stores while giving their staff full pay, refusing to open back up while there's a risk, meanwhile their social media team have been running daily live-steams from home encouraging people to work on their models/projects and generally just keep active and positive. thats honestly really cool of them. i know they are making big bucks of late and trying to get a show or two up an running as well as some more video games.
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Going back to something that was touched on in the prior discussion: assuming the bottom doesn't fall out of the whole "streaming service" thing any time soon (and it probably won't given the current state of the world) I'm not going to be surprised when more and more interesting video essayists and documentarians decamp from YouTube for subscription services like the Nebula. Off YouTube they're not at risk of arbitrary copyright strikes and takedown notices from bots and IP bullies, or being caught in a claim dispute purgatory for months like Shannon Strucci had to go through with Fake Friends 2. YouTube's platform is free and accessible, which is great, but it's also optimized in a way that only mindless corporate content churn channels and shallow clickbait truly thrive on. This is the climate YouTube wants and anything that's not trying for that is going to be driven off the platform, either into not producing content at all or retreating somewhere they can survive better. Stop Skeletons from fighting touched on that too, when leaving the prior network they were part of angered the algorithm something fierce and how crushing it was to see high-effort videos they made get no returns on views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s7CqTSJiZM
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RareAcumen posted:Hey how's that rigorous evaluation system woking for The Angry Video Game Need?
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All he said was he didn’t want a ghostbusters movie that didn’t have the original cast lol and that the movie looked bad. Which is was.
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SpiritualDeath posted:Well...he may not be outspokenly right-wing, but his Ghostbusters 2016 video could be said to have had a big influence on the growth of reactionary YouTube (at the least, it provided validation for them). Lol This fuckin thread
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Not to be mean and speaking very generally, but it seems pretty dumb to only rely on the "Algoritm" to generate views for you. Traditional media puts out tons of advertising to get eyeballs on their stuff, especially the things that don't follow a set schedule. So all the internet personalities/ youtubers trying to rely on " If I make it they will come" seems kinda dumb. I feel like if you can't kep to a schedule, using ads to get some hype for your big effort videos might actually be worth it instead of relying on just googles charity and the algoritm.
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Alt-righters are perfectly happy to ride the coattails of any legitimate or half-reasonable criticism to wedge in reactionary bullshit behind it, or are just straight up too dumb to think anyone might agree at some points and not all points about how the SJWs are destroying the traditional nerd way of life.Hel posted:Not to be mean and speaking very generally, but it seems pretty dumb to only rely on the "Algoritm" to generate views for you. Traditional media puts out tons of advertising to get eyeballs on their stuff, especially the things that don't follow a set schedule. So all the internet personalities/ youtubers trying to rely on " If I make it they will come" seems kinda dumb. Ads where? Facebook? Craigslist? The algorithm does all the advertising of other videos on YouTube by giving you video suggestions next to what you just watched. Stop Skeletons From Fighting does keep to a schedule, and they carefully plan out all their videos. They were hosed over by the completely opaque way the algorithm factored in the prior multi-channel network they were in, and any communication on how the algorithm works only ever seems to come from word-of-mouth from other creators when it unwittingly fucks them over.
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if i were a youtuber i would simply post flyers about town to advertise my latest offering rather than rely on the charity of google and The Algorithm
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Hel posted:Not to be mean and speaking very generally, but it seems pretty dumb to only rely on the "Algoritm" to generate views for you. Traditional media puts out tons of advertising to get eyeballs on their stuff, especially the things that don't follow a set schedule. So all the internet personalities/ youtubers trying to rely on " If I make it they will come" seems kinda dumb. Yeah, but the thing is that buying ads costs money, and YT ads at a low budget don't really get you all that much projection, plus the algorithm being a thing is important here because progressive content doesn't get boosted all that much.
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SpiritualDeath posted:Well...he may not be outspokenly right-wing, but his Ghostbusters 2016 video could be said to have had a big influence on the growth of reactionary YouTube (at the least, it provided validation for them). The lovely criticisms were literally always going to be there and as terrible as they were had he never spoken a peep, while his entire video was the most up front, genuine response of "I just don't want to see a new one, I'd rather keep 'Ghostbusters' in my memory as those old movies I loved" possible, with zero undue negativity in any direction. Hell in a previous personal video thing he made, he clarified once before that he votes straight ticket democrat (Which yes that's it's whole other thing, but he's also not an always-online person, so the gist is meant better than what 'democrat' is online or on twitter or whatever now), insinuations of "not outspokenly right-wing" are gross to pin on him out of nothing too. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 06:31 on May 4, 2020 |
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Yardbomb posted:insinuations of "not outspokenly right-wing" are gross to pin on him out of nothing too.
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CelticPredator posted:All he said was he didn’t want a ghostbusters movie that didn’t have the original cast lol and that the movie looked bad. I still feel like making a video to say that you're not doing a thing that isn't related to your content is a weird thing. Like if Shuan made a video saying that he's not going to go to Poppies to get lunch. Seems kinda unnecessary. Unless lots of people were asking his opinion on the trailer which I might've missed.
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SpiritualDeath posted:...uh, you're the one trying to pin on me that I was implying he was right-wing at all. I was not. I just put in that qualifier because I don't know much about his political opinions, and only meant to make an observation on the impact of that one video. Fair enough, I've just gotten used to people still to this day out to claim he's an undercover chud and other goofy poo poo, all because of a bad movie. RareAcumen posted:Unless lots of people were asking his opinion on the trailer which I might've missed. This is what it was, people kept asking him and kept asking him and kept asking him, so he made a video to go "No, please stop asking me about it, I'm not gonna see it"
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Ghostlight posted:when you say traditional media what are you thinking about, because no writer in the world takes out advertising space for their column in a magazine; no television show places adverts for their episodes. those are all things handled by the platform that has already bought their content. Maybe it's different here in Stockholm, but before Corona shut everything down I would regularly see ads on the subway for TV series with the channel and time in them, so not as much advertising individual episodes but the series itself. Other regular stuff advertised were books, movies and morning radio shows. Now of course that is way out if budget for most YouTubers and because of the audience being spread all over the globe not a viable way to target them. But I have seen some what I think is YouTube stuff advertised via twitter and Facebook you don't have to limit your ads to the platform your content is on, or else how would you advertise your patreon. You say that advertising is usually handled by the platform that buys the content, and that's true but YouTube and Google aren't really comparable to that IMO, they are more like the Postal service handling your subscription, they have no reason to promote your stuff over stuff in general because they aren't invested in your content the way a magazine or TV channel is. So if you as a creator actually want any of the benefits of that you'll probably have to do it on your own, because platforms like Google and twitch aren't going to do it unless you already built hype elsewhere. Let's compare it the Steam and video games, relying on just Steam advertising for your indie project is acknowledged as a dead end,. The algorithm can be part of your strategy but you need to feed it by getting hype outside the platform, either via ads or hyping it up in the communities you are part of. YouTube is basically the same as Steam here, just a distributor/store, not a publisher. You have to be your own and not rely on the individual stores to market your stuff, because they have spent nothing to get you and will lose nothing if you don't sell and disappear.
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