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King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
I still have that drat Akira trailer that played before a bunch of VHS movies I had back in the 90's burned into my brain. It makes Blade Runner look like Disneyland! It's action-packed, the future of animation!

I was definitely underwhelmed the first time I watched it, but I only saw it a couple of times and haven't watched it in probably 20 years. I don't know that I'd even bother now, and I say that as a person who's ambivalent about anime and manga. I'll read manga if it's a good writer and the plot interests me, I'll watch anime if it's a good, entertaining movie or show. Same as any other media :shrug:

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SomeJazzyRat
Nov 2, 2012

Hmmm...
I mean, you watch them now, both GITS and Akira are decently underwhelming now. They are both highly respectable, super stylish, very technically accomplished feats of animation. But they're both very style of substance. Story is pretty much "things happen." They make sense in the moment, but when it's all over it's difficult to extract or take away much other than imagery and ideas. That's a very reductive criticism, but their excellence is more subdued than viscerally revolutionary.

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT

ruddiger posted:

I had a buddy in college who was obsessed with syncing up different rap songs to Ninja Scroll.

One of the first Real Media files I downloaded on Kazaa was a video of Dragula playing over Ninja Scroll

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

SomeJazzyRat posted:

I mean, you watch them now, both GITS and Akira are decently underwhelming now. They are both highly respectable, super stylish, very technically accomplished feats of animation. But they're both very style of substance. Story is pretty much "things happen." They make sense in the moment, but when it's all over it's difficult to extract or take away much other than imagery and ideas. That's a very reductive criticism, but their excellence is more subdued than viscerally revolutionary.

Yeah, I watched Akira for the first time in the last month because a podcast (Junk Food Dinner) reviewed it. One thing they pointed out was that it was based on a manga, and probably tried to cram too much from the manga into it.

I do remember enjoying GITS Standalone Complex when it was on Adult Swim. That of course was followed by me checking out the original anime, and being severely underwhelmed, probably for the same reason that they tried to cram too much from the manga into a movie. OF course I haven't revisited either in 10-15 years, so YMMV

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
The Akira manga has waaay more bullshit in it, I just picked it up earlier this year for the first time and the film is an extremely streamlined and simplified version of the same story. When I first watched the film a decade ago I felt similar to you, thinking that it was a bit confused and overstuffed. On a recent rewatch, though, I reassessed and ended up feeling very different—all that over-complexity feels like it's by design to me now. This is the story of two naive kids with an incredibly narrow worldview getting pulled into a very complex and messy political situation that is way beyond their comprehension and above their heads. Two teenaged boys with raging hormones who couldn't give less of a poo poo about bureaucratic infighting and political machinations manage to get ahold of the most powerful weapon on earth and use it to settle their hurt feelings. All the politics and government secrets and superscience is set-dressing.

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!
I’ll still be grabbing the Akira 4K if it’s decent. I remember watching it for the first time at my brother’s place. Maybe the first time I went over there. 20 years ago, JFC.

As I’ve grown older, one of my favorite things about the film is the music.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm

Boywhiz88 posted:

I’ll still be grabbing the Akira 4K if it’s decent. I remember watching it for the first time at my brother’s place. Maybe the first time I went over there. 20 years ago, JFC.

As I’ve grown older, one of my favorite things about the film is the music.

It’s out in Japan and from a quick check on the blu-ray.com forums they’re up in arms about the DNR. Lots of people saying the Blu-Ray ends up looking better. Those people tend to be... slightly hyperbolic though so it’s probably best to wait for more measured responses.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!

I, Butthole posted:

One of the first Real Media files I downloaded on Kazaa was a video of Dragula playing over Ninja Scroll

This may be the most early 2000s sentence ever written.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



It's also very expensive, I think the print looks fine but I don't care enough to compare it to the blu-ray or anything.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright




last time I checked it was around $115-120 shipped. I really wanna do it, but can't justify dropping that on a movie.

Steen71
Apr 10, 2017

Fun Shoe

david_a posted:

It’s out in Japan and from a quick check on the blu-ray.com forums they’re up in arms about the DNR. Lots of people saying the Blu-Ray ends up looking better. Those people tend to be... slightly hyperbolic though so it’s probably best to wait for more measured responses.

Or you could just have a look here: https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=13995&d2=3858&s1=142176&s2=35780&i=7&l=0

The 4K has zero extra detail - but if you're into Disney-esque smoothness, it is the one to get.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.
Remember when anime (called Japanamation at the time) was this hip thing that only film nerds and artsy people were aware of? Then the 2000s came around and it became anime?


King Vidiot posted:

I still have that drat Akira trailer that played before a bunch of VHS movies I had back in the 90's burned into my brain. It makes Blade Runner look like Disneyland! It's action-packed, the future of animation!

I was definitely underwhelmed the first time I watched it, but I only saw it a couple of times and haven't watched it in probably 20 years. I don't know that I'd even bother now, and I say that as a person who's ambivalent about anime and manga. I'll read manga if it's a good writer and the plot interests me, I'll watch anime if it's a good, entertaining movie or show. Same as any other media :shrug:

I saw that commercial on tv more times than I could even guess. It had an 800 number you could call to order the movie. In fact any time I think of the movie the voiceover guy yelling that is what comes to mind before anything else. I like the movie anyway.

SomeJazzyRat posted:

I mean, you watch them now, both GITS and Akira are decently underwhelming now. They are both highly respectable, super stylish, very technically accomplished feats of animation. But they're both very style of substance. Story is pretty much "things happen." They make sense in the moment, but when it's all over it's difficult to extract or take away much other than imagery and ideas. That's a very reductive criticism, but their excellence is more subdued than viscerally revolutionary.

I don't necessarily think that this is a negative in a visual medium. I like the Akira but will admit outright that the animation and the art design are what's front and center. I never much cared for GITS, I saw it once in high school because people were raving about it. I thought it was stupid. But I think part of the reason these movies seem old hat is because that theme in them have been explored many times over since then.

Iron Crowned posted:

Yeah, I watched Akira for the first time in the last month because a podcast (Junk Food Dinner) reviewed it. One thing they pointed out was that it was based on a manga, and probably tried to cram too much from the manga into it.

It's funny you'd say this because I've heard so many dipshits over the last 20 years screaming about how the movie didn't use enough of the manga (despite the fact that the movie was finished way before the manga was). If you've ever seen it there are like four phone book sized volumes of that poo poo. How the gently caress would you even make that into a movie?

Boywhiz88 posted:

I’ll still be grabbing the Akira 4K if it’s decent. I remember watching it for the first time at my brother’s place. Maybe the first time I went over there. 20 years ago, JFC.

As I’ve grown older, one of my favorite things about the film is the music.

Da daaaa DA DAAAAAA! I love that score. I went out and bought the LP when they finally gave it an official release a few years back.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

CPL593H posted:

It's funny you'd say this because I've heard so many dipshits over the last 20 years screaming about how the movie didn't use enough of the manga (despite the fact that the movie was finished way before the manga was). If you've ever seen it there are like four phone book sized volumes of that poo poo. How the gently caress would you even make that into a movie?

There's always going to be purist weirdos who cry about how the movie changed the story from the book, because they cut out a minor part because it doesn't fit well in a completely different story telling medium.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Iron Crowned posted:

There's always going to be purist weirdos who cry about how the movie changed the story from the book, because they cut out a minor part because it doesn't fit well in a completely different story telling medium.

I always find this kind of stupid too because there are a bunch of really good movies based on dire loving novels. The first two that always come to mind for me are The Shining and Jaws. People who say the book is always better than the movie probably haven't seen enough movies or read enough books.

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004

CPL593H posted:

It's funny you'd say this because I've heard so many dipshits over the last 20 years screaming about how the movie didn't use enough of the manga (despite the fact that the movie was finished way before the manga was). If you've ever seen it there are like four phone book sized volumes of that poo poo. How the gently caress would you even make that into a movie?

Yeah I ordered them on a whim and stopped reading halfway through. Without the Kaneda/Tetsuo relationship being the emotional core of the story and the general plot throughline, it was just a bunch of loving nonsense. Some neat moments and some great art, but it was a rudderless thing. Now I just have a giant stack of dweeb books sitting around for no reason. Sure, it reduced the titular character to a macguffin, but reading the manga really proves that to be a good thing.

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
I admit I’ve been tempted to blind-buy the Akira manga a few times (I found most of it in a used bookstore once) but now I’m very glad I didn’t.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
It makes some things clearer (the pills the kids pop are what catalyzed the mind powers), but also there's a middle act where Tetsuo is like some warlord and poo poo. A lot happens.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


david_a posted:

I admit I’ve been tempted to blind-buy the Akira manga a few times (I found most of it in a used bookstore once) but now I’m very glad I didn’t.

It's worth it for the incredible background and character pencil work, even if a lot of the extra story isn't particularly amazing.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright




CPL593H posted:


It's funny you'd say this because I've heard so many dipshits over the last 20 years screaming about how the movie didn't use enough of the manga (despite the fact that the movie was finished way before the manga was). If you've ever seen it there are like four phone book sized volumes of that poo poo. How the gently caress would you even make that into a movie?

a trilogy directed by Taika Waititi was going to be the answer to that. He would've done it justice.

Doctor Teeth
Sep 12, 2008


Origami Dali posted:

This may be the most early 2000s sentence ever written.

yeah that just might beat my "used the itunes code from a mtn. dew code red bottle to download a bloodhound gang song"

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

dorium posted:

a trilogy directed by Taika Waititi was going to be the answer to that. He would've done it justice.

Nah.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Origami Dali posted:

Hell, for it to cater to a young teenage boy in the 90's who had never seen a cartoon do anything like that, what else did it need? I think it, GitS, and Sailor Moon were the only anime tapes in small town music stores back then, and watching it was like that same "holy poo poo" forbidden rush that you get from discovering gory horror movies or porn for the first time.

Also, it's just a genuinely well-made and fun movie. Like, Ghost in the Shell and Akira are deep explorations of the human condition, sure, but they don't have a samurai fighting a guy who's part beehive or encasing the villain in molten gold while screaming "BURN IN YOUR GOLDEN HELL."

Just like it's fine for movies, there's room for anime to just be goofy, violent, and unpretentious; it just has to be good at it, and Ninja Scroll is pretty good at it.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright




rewatching Night of the Living Dead, Criterion edition and still can't get over how good this looks. the first time i've watched this was on a very OLD vhs library copy my mom checked out when I was a kid. Crazy to see it with this level of clarity.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I really do enjoy watching cel animation in HD. There's an appreciation for the work that it took to make, and you can see the details a lot more clearly. The dust on the sheets, the shadows, and the colors benefit too. And I guess it's nice to pay tribute to what is essentially a dead art form. I mean, who is going to try and figure out how to do cel animation today when you can literally do everything 10 times easier with digital ink and paint?

I love both. Hand drawn animation in all of its forms are great.

I don't like the paper doll style flash animation, though.

ultraviolence123
Jul 3, 2002


Oh snap! Flash Gordon in 4K coming in August!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6uOHnxf85g
I have all the Carpenter 4K releases that StudioCanal did, plus The Elephant Man, and they are all really nice, so count this as a must buy. I should pick up Don't Look Now as well.

Edit: Specs for the set

1 x UHD
1 x Blu ray
1 x Blu ray bonus ‘Life after Flash’ doc
1 x DVD
1 x soundtrack CD

Get ready to kick some Flash, with an out-of-this world 4K restoration of the much loved, gloriously sparkly cult classic, FLASH GORDON directed by Mike Hodges.
In celebration of Flash Gordon's 40th anniversary, this collection is the ultimate Flash release. Featuring an all-star cast, including Sam J Jones (Flash Gordon) Brian Blessed (Prince Vultan) Timothy Dalton (Prince Barin) Max Von Sydow (Ming The Merciless) and Melody Anderson (Dale) and accompanied by a brilliant soundtrack by the inimitable Queen, this is the ultimate version of the '80s cult classic.

Collector’s Edition SKU ( ) :

● New Lost in Space: Nic Roeg’s Flash Gordon
● Audio commentary with Mike Hodges
● Audio commentary with Brian Blessed
● Behind the scenes of Flash Gordon
● Stills gallery
● Storyboards gallery
● Original theatrical trailer
● Interview with Mike Hodges
● Interview with comic book artist Alex Ross
● Interview with screenwriter Lorenzo Semple, Jr.
● Episode 24 of Flash Gordon (1979-1982): The Survival Game / Gremlin’s Finest Hour
● Sam Jones’s acting start
● Entertainment Earth on Flash Gordon merchandise
● Bob Lindenmayer discussed deleted scenes and original endings
● 35 th Anniversary Greenroom
● 35 th Anniversary reunion featurette
● Renato Casaro extended interview
● Brian Blessed anecdotes
● Melody’s musings on the soundtrack
● The UHD and 2 Blu-ray discs
● Bonus Blu-Ray Disc of LIFE AFTER FLASH
● Soundtrack
● 32 page booklet
● 16 page Titan mini book (The Story of Flash Gordon)
● Reproduced booklet of the first strip of original comic books

ultraviolence123 fucked around with this message at 18:57 on May 7, 2020

feedmyleg
Dec 25, 2004
Hell yeah. I've been putting off finally watching that forever and there's never a better excuse than a real sexy new scan.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
Well poo poo, now I'm sad I caved and bought the blu-ray a couple years back :negative:

Splint Chesthair
Dec 27, 2004


ultraviolence123 posted:

● Audio commentary with Brian Blessed

:eyepop:

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







The only audio commentary where maxed-out bass is REQUIRED

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Iron Crowned posted:

Well poo poo, now I'm sad I caved and bought the blu-ray a couple years back :negative:

I got the bluray last week :negative:

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Film Movement has a 50% off sale on their Classics line:
https://filmmovement.com/classics-sale

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


Egbert Souse posted:

Film Movement has a 50% off sale on their Classics line:
https://filmmovement.com/classics-sale

Thanks! I’m marathoning Fritz Lang’s stuff right now, and I had to jump on the Indian Epic for that price.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Egbert Souse posted:

Film Movement has a 50% off sale on their Classics line:
https://filmmovement.com/classics-sale

Ended up buying All About Lily Chou-Chou and the Takeshi Kitano collection.

CPL593H
Oct 28, 2009

I know what you did last summer, and frankly I am displeased.

Egbert Souse posted:

Film Movement has a 50% off sale on their Classics line:
https://filmmovement.com/classics-sale

I didn't know there was any non-VHS release of the Reflecting Skin, much lessa blu-ray. That's a weird rear end movie.

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT

Egbert Souse posted:

Film Movement has a 50% off sale on their Classics line:
https://filmmovement.com/classics-sale

If anyone doesn't have Once Were Warriors you should fix that asap.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



I'm so glad we live in a time where The Wrong Guy, starring Dave Foley, gets a pretty nice blu-ray.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

VoodooXT posted:

Ended up buying All About Lily Chou-Chou and the Takeshi Kitano collection.

Its too bad Swallowtail Butterfly isn't readily available in the West.

dorium
Nov 5, 2009

If it gets in your eyes
Just look into mine
Just look into dreams
and you'll be alright
I'll be alright




i took advantage of the Target 15% off 4K Blu-Ray sale and bought Zombi 2

https://www.target.com/pl/783019882

there's a few real good deals in there ($15 for Hell of High Water before the sale price).

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Got a Vudu code for The Road Warrior that may be expired. Hopefully it'll work for someone.

46YVCKCQ9XX4

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King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
loving hell, I didn't know Dolls was going out of print, I just get a notification from Shout! today, and now they're sold out and being scalped on Amazon.

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