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CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...

Beefstew posted:

I spent a good chunk of my childhood reading dozens upon dozens of awful EU novels. It made me appreciate TLJ so much more.

Same, with an added bonus of "okay I get why people kinda like the prequels now"

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Reading far too much EU material did make The Mandalorian a lot more like candy for me.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Calico Heart posted:

Renegade Cut has made some good content in the past, and works pretty darned hard, but as some posters have pointed out here before sometimes he comes across as so darned smug in his videos they're hard to watch. A few times he's basically said "critics and reviewers need to watch more movies, so they're more likely to be experts and more likely to be discerning, and theeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyy all said Batman V Superman is Bad/Twilight Zone is good etc"
I dropped out of the video once I realised it had transitioned into a boring lecture about how objectivity doesn't exist in order to support its proposal that people who thought the movie was bad are wrong.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken

Mr Phillby posted:

Generations is dumb just like all the TNG movies were. I do wish they'd let Shatner use his "bridge on the Captain" line tho, at least thats fun dumb.

First Contact is a fun Die Hard In A Spaceship movie.

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~

Vagabundo posted:

First Contact is a fun Die Hard In A Spaceship movie.
Yeah but its a lousy star trek movie and its cast aren't exactly great in an action premise.

The episode where the Enterprise is in space dock for maintenance and Picard has to stop a bunch of terrorists from stealing a bunch of dark matter engine waste singlehandedly is a much better Diehard in a spaceship story. Picard is a cold motherfucker but actually stays in character the whole time, its rad.

Its the best tng movie for sure but that puts it somewhere above Into Darkness but below the search for spok for me personally.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"
I stopped watching Renegade Cut after watching his Interstellar review where he made the galaxy brain argument that space exploration is exactly the same thing as Imperialism because we are denying microbes on any planet we touch down on the chance to evolve, and thus committing pre-emptive genocide.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Neo_Crimson posted:

I stopped watching Renegade Cut after watching his Interstellar review where he made the galaxy brain argument that space exploration is exactly the same thing as Imperialism because we are denying microbes on any planet we touch down on the chance to evolve, and thus committing pre-emptive genocide.

wait what. thats some weird mcintosh level takes right there. like i get being careful with colonialist themes in media/etc or doing them right but some of these dudes take it in stupidly hot take directions. sorta reminds me of the austin walker hot take about monster hunter but i could at least get what he was trying to say.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 5, 2020

The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08e0SmFgu3c


This guy seems alright, I've gone through a couple videos, he makes little bite sized reviews and is enthusiastic for the subject matter

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Ghostlight posted:

I dropped out of the video once I realised it had transitioned into a boring lecture about how objectivity doesn't exist in order to support its proposal that people who thought the movie was bad are wrong.

And even RC's very subjective taste is suspect by calling McDowell's performance 'haunting' and 'memorable.' He does his job as a villain more or less but there's nothing there like Khan or General Chang from The Undiscovered Country.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

And even RC's very subjective taste is suspect by calling McDowell's performance 'haunting' and 'memorable.' He does his job as a villain more or less but there's nothing there like Khan or General Chang from The Undiscovered Country.

but dawgstar

time is the fire in which we all burn!

what the gently caress does that mean

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



a predator made of fire that is running out.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

Neo_Crimson posted:

I stopped watching Renegade Cut after watching his Interstellar review where he made the galaxy brain argument that space exploration is exactly the same thing as Imperialism because we are denying microbes on any planet we touch down on the chance to evolve, and thus committing pre-emptive genocide.

I just got baffled by his Disco Elysium video since it was the most boring poo poo about "If I play the cop as a bad person, he is a fascist, and if I play the cop as a good person, he is a communist", which is the stupidest poo poo imaginable and doesn't go into any of the more interesting themes of the game whatsoever, or even that Disco Elysium implies any ideology Harry picks up are partially coping mechanisms for his failed relationship with his ex-wife, which really dims the interpretation that Harry is improving by embracing Mazovian socio-economics and more that Harry is chanting "kill everyone with more than 25 real in their pocket" since he somehow thinks that would've made his wife not leave him for what he assumes is his personal poverty.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Alaois posted:

but dawgstar

time is the fire in which we all burn!

what the gently caress does that mean

I think its butchering one of Borges writings:

"Time is the substance from which I am made. Time is a river which carries me along, but I am the river; it is a tiger that devours me, but I am the tiger; it is a fire that consumes me, but I am the fire."

Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 5, 2020

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Bakeneko posted:

Time to get meta with Caddicarus as he reviews 287 of the worst game reviews ever. I still rewatch a lot of old Retsupurae episodes whenever I need a quick laugh so I’m glad to see Caddy exposing a new generation to this madness.

Caddicarus in the review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFJqOlYaJbs

Alaois posted:

but dawgstar

time is the fire in which we all burn!

what the gently caress does that mean

Time destroys us all, just like fire does. We will all die, we will all burn to ash.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Alaois posted:

but dawgstar

time is the fire in which we all burn!

what the gently caress does that mean

I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am, a God.

McDowell put some real good effort in for Caligula to become what it did.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

time is the fire in which we burn - malcolm mcdowell

oxygen kills us all - brad leone

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

SunAndSpring posted:

I just got baffled by his Disco Elysium video since it was the most boring poo poo about "If I play the cop as a bad person, he is a fascist, and if I play the cop as a good person, he is a communist", which is the stupidest poo poo imaginable and doesn't go into any of the more interesting themes of the game whatsoever, or even that Disco Elysium implies any ideology Harry picks up are partially coping mechanisms for his failed relationship with his ex-wife, which really dims the interpretation that Harry is improving by embracing Mazovian socio-economics and more that Harry is chanting "kill everyone with more than 25 real in their pocket" since he somehow thinks that would've made his wife not leave him for what he assumes is his personal poverty.

its because renegade cuts is also a marxist therefore since he is one and the game has a path where you can cosplay one therefor its the good path and being the galaxy brain he is, he thinks thats the most correct opinion.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
I've continued watching PJ's Nuts and Bolts train gimmick run and yep, things are going about as well as expected:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwerZ43U3bM&hd=1&t=5742s

Mr Phillby
Apr 8, 2009

~TRAVIS~
The way his terrifying helicopter train made itself known the first time it spawned in after a challenge was just perfect. All of these vehicles hate existing and I love it.

SunAndSpring
Dec 4, 2013

Dapper_Swindler posted:

its because renegade cuts is also a marxist therefore since he is one and the game has a path where you can cosplay one therefor its the good path and being the galaxy brain he is, he thinks thats the most correct opinion.

I mean, I lean towards Marxism myself but it's bizarre to conflate it with giving someone good morals by default. Communism can lead to an economic system that is more just and equitable than the one we have, but you can have absolutely lovely people who believe in it simply because the situation it results in would be way more advantageous to them. Disco Elysium notes this by having the leader of the Débardeurs' Union being an absolutely crooked and amoral figure, who everyone in the union trusts to advance a socialist agenda simply because he is so nakedly corrupt that he has nothing to hide unlike his capitalist rivals. I'm sure the militsiya of the USSR was just as unkind to citizens as its capitalist counterpart in the USA.

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



tbf, I think saying the ideologies are solely coping mechanisms is a little reductionist in Disco Elysium. When you finally confront the evil ex-something, it's not like you can accuse her of not loving you based entirely on your appropriate ideology. If you're a fash, liberal, moralist or communist you can accuse her of not loving you because you're too poor/whatever. Basically, any excuse Harry can possibly think up is thrown her way. But yeah, that said, you can absolutely get a "good ending" if you play Fash (get reinstated, keep your honour relatively high and complete the important quests).

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Calico Heart posted:

tbf, I think saying the ideologies are solely coping mechanisms is a little reductionist in Disco Elysium. When you finally confront the evil ex-something, it's not like you can accuse her of not loving you based entirely on your appropriate ideology. If you're a fash, liberal, moralist or communist you can accuse her of not loving you because you're too poor/whatever. Basically, any excuse Harry can possibly think up is thrown her way. But yeah, that said, you can absolutely get a "good ending" if you play Fash (get reinstated, keep your honour relatively high and complete the important quests).

Not quite; Other endings can also get you reinstated, with the implications the cops are gonna be part of the uprising and need people like Harry.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG
As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

macabresca posted:

As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

Really? Workers owned the means of production and then everything turned to poo poo? How did that happen?

And yes, communism is good, a better world is possible.

Jamie Faith fucked around with this message at 09:58 on May 5, 2020

DEEP STATE PLOT
Aug 13, 2008

Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!



macabresca posted:

As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

on the other hand capitalism is quite literally destroying the world, as in we are likely to see a complete worldwide ecological collapse and concurrent societal collapse within our lifetimes, and that's with capitalism working exactly as intended

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


please don't start arguing about Mazovian Socio-economics

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG

Jamie Faith posted:

Really? Workers owned the means of production and then everything turned to poo poo? How did that happen?

And yes, communism is good, a better world is possible.

By 'turn to poo poo' I meant this whole totalitarian system thingy which you might've missed. There are always people willing to abuse others for their own gain and there were a lot of instances of corruption and financial discrepancies, e.g. between members of the Party and regular citizens.

I'm not saying capitalism is better. I'm just saying that I can only find such enthusiasm among people who never actually lived in communist country. Here there is much more disillusionment.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

macabresca posted:

As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

I mean not going too hard on this cause frankly I'm not too educated on this or that invested, but as someone that works with statistics the statement that 'the few attempts at communism failed' kinda sucks as an argument given most attempts at capitalism fail as well. People aren't good at setting up countries that aren't oppressive, poverty ridden shitholes, regardless of chosen economic system. In the USSR's case in particular, Tsarist Russia and post communist Russia kind of have a lot of the same problems to varying degrees, and I'm not sure how many of it's problems are more about underlying issues with Russian society and not a result of feudalism/communism/capitalism.

There are other arguments for and against communism and capitalism that people more educated than me can throw around (preferably somewhere far far from this thread) but just statistically 'the few attempts at this failed so we should stick to the system done hundreds of times that also almost always results in failure for most of it's population' is a weird argument.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

CmdrKing posted:

Cracked, like any thing that absolutely blew up on the late 00s internet, started out with a solid premise and was worth some good laughs but let quality control slip in the name of ever more content and was a parody of itself a few years later, then jettisoned everyone that was still doing good work. Fortunately many of them landed on their feet and still do good work.

Unrelated, aaaaaaaaaaa I wanna go to the star wars land and then I remember that it will be literal years plural before the star wars land is even THERE now aaarrggghhh I am filled with joy and depressed rage at the same time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKURyGwjIgg

There is only 1 good person left on cracked and that's Seanbaby. No idea why he's on there, though.


macabresca posted:

As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

Sup post-commie buddy :respek:

Its basically just people who never lived in a Communist country thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

macabresca
Jan 26, 2019

I WANNA HUG

A Sometimes Food posted:

There are other arguments for and against communism and capitalism that people more educated than me can throw around (preferably somewhere far far from this thread) but just statistically 'the few attempts at this failed so we should stick to the system done hundreds of times that also almost always results in failure for most of it's population' is a weird argument.

It's more like if communism is ever reintroduced on such a scale it should be thoroughly examined in order to avoid the mistakes of the past. And, well, I'm obviously biased because people in my country are pretty salty when it comes to the subject. I just think those differences in perspective are very interesting.

Archer666 posted:

Sup post-commie buddy :respek:

Its basically just people who never lived in a Communist country thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

Howdy! Also yeah, this

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Suggesting communism as an alternative to capitalism is like saying “we could cut down on pollution caused by aircraft if we taught people to instead fly by flapping their arms really fast”. It highlights a real problem but undermines itself because the solution is incompatible with how people function.

I’ve said it before but I believe that humans have always gravitated towards a capitalistic mentality, even before we attached a name to the concept. We’re not blind slaves to our instincts but neither can we ignore those instincts. If I were designing a perfect society for a type of robot that lacked emotion and always acted rationally, I’d probably make them communists, but we aren’t robots, just like we aren’t birds with the wings and hollow bones required to enable flight, and we have to work within those limitations rather than wasting our effort lamenting them.

Personally I’d say that, if a practical path to a better world exists, it’ll involve implementing more socialist policies like UBI that exist in parallel to capitalism while acting as a safety net for those left behind by it.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


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The major function of capitalism is that the possession of wealth allows you to possess more wealth, inevitably corroding and dismantling the restrictions you put in place to protect people. This is exactly what has happened in capitalist countries around the world, since the "third way politics" you describe had their heyday in the 90s.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008

Bakeneko posted:

Personally I’d say that, if a practical path to a better world exists, it’ll involve implementing more socialist policies like UBI that exist in parallel to capitalism while acting as a safety net for those left behind by it.

Basically what I think too. Applying Hegelian dialectic to Capitalism with Communism and seeing how the synthesis will work.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

when capitalism's contradictions are no longer able to be swept under the rug, the people choose socialism or barbarism as a direct response to addressing those specific contradictions. capitalism is designed to grow unchecked exponentially, like cancer in a human body; trying to reform capitalism is like trying to treat a cancer patient with a placebo.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Archer666 posted:

There is only 1 good person left on cracked and that's Seanbaby. No idea why he's on there, though.


Sup post-commie buddy :respek:

Its basically just people who never lived in a Communist country thinking the grass is greener on the other side.


macabresca posted:

It's more like if communism is ever reintroduced on such a scale it should be thoroughly examined in order to avoid the mistakes of the past. And, well, I'm obviously biased because people in my country are pretty salty when it comes to the subject. I just think those differences in perspective are very interesting.


Howdy! Also yeah, this

I mean yeah, insane tankies aside no one wants to repeat the Soviet Union, China or North Korea. But like the current capitalist system is kinda inevitably leading to apocalypse in the long (or medium) term and in the short term is hellish for most people already, so people are understandably wanting to reexamine the only alternative that's really been tried to see if they can get it to work or at least lift what could work out of it to replace the things that will kill us all if they continue.

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



macabresca posted:

As a person who lives in post-communism country, I was always baffled by takes like communism=good. Communism is a utopia and the only attempt at bringing it to life turned to poo poo

imo it is because the ways in which capitalism is destroying the planet and causing inequality is getting harder and harder to ignore, as as those in power don't seem to care/actively support that process, the "polar opposite"/alternative has become an increasingly more utopian prospect. One of my big problems dumb youtube people like me is that we don't really spend much time talking about how to prevent the failures of instituting communism/an-com/whatever. In general my problem with Breadtube overall is how reactive it is; we respond to content made by Bad People and respond to current social situations and topics.

I genuinely don't say this in a salty or angry way, but the content I've made that positions itself as being opposed to or in response to something typically does much better than videos that simply explore concepts. Though he still makes more pro-active content, this is also true with content creators like Thought Slime; his "thing bad" videos do way better than his "join a co-op/labour org" stuff.

This isn't to say Breadtubers aren't putting in a lot of effort or creating good content; just that it's a rend I've noticed that has me drifting away from certain creators/content. I know PragerU is bad and don't really get anything out of a a simple example of their badness.

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...

SunAndSpring posted:

I just got baffled by his Disco Elysium video since it was the most boring poo poo about "If I play the cop as a bad person, he is a fascist, and if I play the cop as a good person, he is a communist", which is the stupidest poo poo imaginable and doesn't go into any of the more interesting themes of the game whatsoever, or even that Disco Elysium implies any ideology Harry picks up are partially coping mechanisms for his failed relationship with his ex-wife, which really dims the interpretation that Harry is improving by embracing Mazovian socio-economics and more that Harry is chanting "kill everyone with more than 25 real in their pocket" since he somehow thinks that would've made his wife not leave him for what he assumes is his personal poverty.

I have to ask if you're being deliberately obtuse here? The whole video is about the inherently fascistic nature of policing, and how Disco Elysium is able to emulate this: if you act like a regular cop you end up with a fascist, and even if you do the exact opposite of those things and play as a communist, you still end up supporting a fascist institution because the things you're forced to do have that impact.

I mean if you wanted a video actually about Disco Elysium that's fair, I'm sure there's way, way, way more things you can pull out of it that engage more with its own themes and events, but it's okay to just use it as a springboard to talk about things within the game too.

Veib
Dec 10, 2007


Alaois posted:

but dawgstar

time is the fire in which we all burn!

what the gently caress does that mean

Schwarzwald posted:

I think its butchering one of Borges writings:

It's from a poem called Calmly We Walk through This April's Day by Delmore Schwartz (1959):

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42633/calmly-we-walk-through-this-aprils-day

quote:

Time is the school in which we learn,
Time is the fire in which we burn.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

CYBEReris posted:

when capitalism's contradictions are no longer able to be swept under the rug, the people choose socialism or barbarism as a direct response to addressing those specific contradictions. capitalism is designed to grow unchecked exponentially, like cancer in a human body; trying to reform capitalism is like trying to treat a cancer patient with a placebo.

which is probably the reason why capitalism got such a good hold on humans: as an organic species we're kind of made to exponentially grow and consume ever more resources, so capitalism feels appealing to us on a deep level. normally, a species would sooner or later run out of resources when growing out of control and mother nature would step in with a variety of predators, diseases or just simple starvation to cut numbers back

obviously sharks and lions aren't a threat to us anymore though, which means the humble virus and mass starvation have to step in to get our numbers back under control

or we could just invent a social system which isn't just the biological imperative translated into human language

and then make it appealing enough to make it take hold among the larger population

but don't worry, even if that never happens, eventually capitalism will cause enough unrest by its very nature that it will break down, hopefully before all humans are dead and the planet is ruined

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fun hater
May 24, 2009

its a neat trick, but you can only do it once
at one point people thought fuedalism and the divine right of kings was inherent human nature. its pretty embarassing to sit here and say that human history is not built on the base concept of taking care of each others needs.

capitalism biotruths lmfao

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