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May 7, 2020 01:33
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We've gone a bit off track but you literally compared people wanting more footy in their home states to conservatives claiming to ban abortions but still using them and 
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May 7, 2020 01:50
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Keep the GF at the MCG but reduce the corporate tickets and increase the public tickets. At least to 50/50. What even is the current ratio? And of that ratio was kept the same at a smaller ground like Footy Park for example, how many could actually get tickets?
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May 7, 2020 03:07
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MysticalMachineGun posted:We've gone a bit off track but you literally compared people wanting more footy in their home states to conservatives claiming to ban abortions but still using them and I stand by it
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May 7, 2020 03:42
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I generally find arguments about whether there is a Vic bias and what impact is has to be pretty insufferable, so let's try to drill this down to the simple facts. There is obviously a Victorian bias in the AFL. When you have more than half your teams and the main base of operations based in one state, that's pretty much inevitable. The bias is present both in the way the game is covered by the media, and the organisation itself. Clubs that have to travel more often and further than others are at a clear disadvantage in terms of preparation, recovery and fatigue. The primary advantage that non-Victorian clubs have is the "true" home games, which is clearly an enormous advantage, and one which is enjoyed far less often by Victorian teams. This generally has the effect of making strong non-Victorian teams appear even stronger in terms of their ladder position. By the end of the season, the strongest teams on the ladder are likely to be the strongest teams from throughout the season. Injury and fatigue issues aside, I'm perfectly happy to accept that the minor round is a reasonably fair ranking of the teams, particularly at the top and bottom of the ladder. Middle of the ladder, not so much, but those teams rarely go through to a Grand Final. Then, when we get to the Grand Final, the only match that actually counts, and if a non-Victorian team plays a Victorian team, they are at an immediate and sizable disadvantage. And you can quite reasonably imagine a scenario where a stronger team loses to the weaker team because of that disadvantage. (No, I'm not saying the Crows were better than Richmond in 2017, they obviously weren't and the years since then have made that obvious). After a minor round where the various imbalances kind of even up in the end, this is clearly unfair to half of the teams in the league. Arguments that we need a stadium that can hold 80000+ people for the GF are disingenuous. The AFL would not go bankrupt without their Grand Final payday. Pretty much every team in the AFL has a home ground that can hold 40000+ people. That's plenty. Keep out the corporate seats, and let the fans attend. Obviously in an ideal world, the GF would be in a completely neutral venue, but that's logistically impossible. Then, if any team is going to have an advantage, it should be the team that performed higher during the year.
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May 7, 2020 03:58
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30 new posts! Maybe they’ve announced that footy is coming ba— oh
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May 7, 2020 04:10
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cmndstab posted:Clubs that have to travel more often and further than others are at a clear disadvantage in terms of preparation, recovery and fatigue. I do particularly enjoy it when clubs complain about having to fly over to Perth and the difficulties that brings.
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May 7, 2020 04:19
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GF with no crowd, only way to be fair imo
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May 7, 2020 06:38
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Build a thunderdome in Alice springs and play every game there, one after another
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May 7, 2020 06:52
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realbez posted:30 new posts! Maybe they’ve announced that footy is coming ba— oh
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May 7, 2020 08:09
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crows have been busted running a training 'camp' at a golf course they rented out. Cops are investigating them breaking the states social distancing rules for quarantined players returning from interstate.
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May 7, 2020 09:05
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Ah good, we get Adelaide drama even during a suspended season
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May 7, 2020 09:10
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drunkill posted:crows have been busted running a training 'camp' at a golf course they rented out. They didn't break any SA laws, the only thing they have allegedly broken is the VFL rules restricting the SA and WA teams from training while Victoria is still under lock down.
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May 7, 2020 10:24
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NTRabbit posted:They didn't break any SA laws, the only thing they have allegedly broken is the VFL rules restricting the SA and WA teams from training while Victoria is still under lock down. lol I love it
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May 7, 2020 10:55
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The easy way to solve this is to take the 14 teams from the eastern states, send half each to WA and SA to serve 14 day quarantines, and then restart the league behind closed doors in decidedly safe from covid places, but we can't do that because how dare football not be played in Victoria
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May 7, 2020 11:12
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https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1257887027799842816?s=19 WAs Premier with the vicbias
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May 7, 2020 11:15
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Quantum Shart posted:https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1257887027799842816?s=19 VFL would rather spread a pandemic than risk the disaster of football happening somewhere that isn't Melbourne
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May 7, 2020 11:21
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Love to tell players they cant see their family or kids because god forbid there not be football for a while longer
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May 7, 2020 11:21
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NTRabbit posted:VFL would rather spread a pandemic than risk the disaster of football happening somewhere that isn't Melbourne Oof this is spicy
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May 7, 2020 12:43
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Quantum Shart posted:https://twitter.com/FootyRhino/status/1257887027799842816?s=19 WA also has quite a lot of interstate mining workers coming under the same umbrella. 2 weeks mandatory quarantine when flying into the state for everyone. AFL is welcome to accommodate these rules while they're in play I guess.
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May 7, 2020 13:17
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Solemn Sloth posted:Love to tell players they cant see their family or kids because god forbid there not be football for a while longer Yeah footy doesn't actually matter TBH. (Also the Crows suck right now so whatevs.)
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May 7, 2020 13:22
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I only briefly skimmed over the article regarding Adelaide's training when I saw it earlier, but my understanding was that there is nothing wrong with their training setup. They're at an isolated venue and each player trains with one partner and otherwise socially isolates. It was one particular drill which was done wrong, or something? Not sure, like I say, I only skimmed it.
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May 7, 2020 13:22
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Chairchucker posted:Yeah footy doesn't actually matter TBH. (Also the Crows suck right now so whatevs.) Yeah, it's amazing how much less I care about our annual off-season debacles when I have absolutely no expectations of them winning a premiership any time soon 
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May 7, 2020 13:23
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I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things
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May 7, 2020 13:27
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cmndstab posted:I only briefly skimmed over the article regarding Adelaide's training when I saw it earlier, but my understanding was that there is nothing wrong with their training setup. They're at an isolated venue and each player trains with one partner and otherwise socially isolates. Someone said they had a 16 player drill going, which was probably just two groups of 8 players training 30 metres apart, which SAPOL told them they were allowed to do, but that's against the 'rules' that the AFL haven't written down but have been arbitrarily enforcing against the SA and WA teams.
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May 7, 2020 13:27
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thepokey posted:I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things Victor labias, the porn star?
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May 7, 2020 13:29
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thepokey posted:I heard that an evil wizard called Victor Iahbias cast a spell on the Adelaide players causing them to break isolation and do naughty things Lmao The article said Adelaide broke the afl rules that were made to ensure an even playing field. AFL clubs need to follow AFL rules.
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May 7, 2020 13:33
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I've sometimes wondered about that, like in other circumstances where someone's banned from training or whatever. I mean surely if it's legal for them to go out and exercise in this manner, AFL can't actually do anything about it if, hypothetically of their own volition, someone goes out and exercises with a ball with one of their mates.
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May 7, 2020 13:37
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No, probably not. But this wasn’t a couple of mates exercising with a ball.
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May 7, 2020 13:40
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So where's the cutoff? Is there one? I will be representing all players accused of unauthorised training and employing the haggling defence.
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May 7, 2020 13:42
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NTRabbit posted:Someone said they had a 16 player drill going, which was probably just two groups of 8 players training 30 metres apart, which SAPOL told them they were allowed to do, but that's against the 'rules' that the AFL haven't written down but have been arbitrarily enforcing against the SA and WA teams. You realise that if one set of teams is able to do larger and more complex training drills while other teams are restricted due to lockdown, then that gives an unfair advantage right? Assuming that footy is going to be back at all this year. The legality of the training according to SA and WA police doesn't matter, the AFL has to enforce compliance with the rules of whichever state has the strictest lockdown at any given time.
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May 7, 2020 13:43
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Weird Sandwich posted:You realise that if one set of teams is able to do larger and more complex training drills while other teams are restricted due to lockdown, then that gives an unfair advantage right? Assuming that footy is going to be back at all this year. The legality of the training according to SA and WA police doesn't matter, the AFL has to enforce compliance with the rules of whichever state has the strictest lockdown at any given time. In order to make it even I support the NT hub idea for all players to have equal travel requirements. Also because SA is close to NT, Adelaide teams need to relocated to Tasmania beforehand so there's not too much of an advantage.
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May 7, 2020 13:50
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Will be interesting if the SANFL and WAFL can get back and running before the AFL
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May 7, 2020 13:50
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Chairchucker posted:So where's the cutoff? Is there one? The cutoff would probably be if the club was involved
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May 7, 2020 14:03
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realbez posted:Lmao The AFL needs to actually accept reality and run the AFL hub out of SA and WA rather than set unfair rules to handicap the SA and WA teams because they refuse to allow any option that has football being player outside of Victoria, despite the blatantly obvious difference in COVID cases and state laws. Until then the SA and WA clubs should just ignore AFL house and do what's right for the sport, rather than what's right for Gillon and the VFL.
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May 7, 2020 14:06
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I’d rather the whole season get cancelled than players and their families be pressured into some garbage hub idea where they don’t see each other for weeks/months on end.  but people need something to look forward to!  Buy a Netflix account instead of expecting families to suddenly go single parent for you to get your rocks off on sportsball. Football is about as far from an essential service as you could get but other workers are putting themselves at risk or disrupting their and their families lives, why shouldn’t footballers that get paid way more. Yes. They are. In many cases in jobs that should not currently be operating. That’s not a reason to gently caress over other people. People in legit essential industries should be getting hazard pay to accommodate the risk they are being exposed to. The fact that they aren’t is again not a reason to gently caress over footballers and their families.Hubs are a loving garbage idea and it has nothing to do with vic bias or integrity of the competition. They will cause harm to the players and their families through forced separation and football ain’t loving worth it.
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May 7, 2020 14:12
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hot take: if conferences are good enough for the womens comp surely its good enough for the mens?
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May 7, 2020 14:22
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snaeksikn posted:hot take: if conferences are good enough for the womens comp let me stop you there
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May 7, 2020 14:23
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Saying vfl over and over again cause I have brain damage and can't recognise the eastern seaboard
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May 7, 2020 15:09
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Solemn Sloth posted:I’d rather the whole season get cancelled than players and their families be pressured into some garbage hub idea where they don’t see each other for weeks/months on end. This is a pretty garbage way of thinking mate. If you accept that then why ever bother with the football again? You literally just hosed off one entertainment industry whilst going on about signing up to another. As one of those pricks who is in an essential service and still gets paid shitasticly I say bring on the loving football. If there is an actual feasible method to do this that isnt actually risky then I dont see an issue. Meanwhile, there are thousands and thousands of jobs out there where people dont see their families for months and months on end. If the individual players want to opt out, fine they can cut their pay further and sit it out.
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