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sweeperbravo posted:My now-husband, then-boyfriend had me watch White Collar with him, and while it was not something I would have watched on my own, the healthy and positive relationship between Peter and Elizabeth was one of its biggest selling points to me personally. I've been binging primo guilty pleasure comfort show Midsomer Murders while stuck in the house, and while there's a lot in the earlier seasons that could go in this thread (mostly wild homophobia and transphobia of that particularly late 90s/00s flavour), Tom and Joyce's relationship is just the best. They don't cheat on each other and they're not even tempted for dramatic conflict; Tom takes Joyce's concerns about his job and annoyances when he's called away seriously, instead of treating her as an obstacle; Joyce constantly flits from hobby to hobby but Tom always supports her interests (even though one or more of her new hobbyist group will 100% get murdered/murder someone every time); Joyce doesn't hate Tom's job or get unreasonably angry with him if he's late to something because of all the murders, and he makes a good faith effort to not get held up by all the murders not because he doesn't want her to be angry with him, but because he doesn't want to let her down. It's my second favourite thing about the show, after the repeated motif where someone new to Midsomer county will bring up the insane murder rate and all the regular characters just kinda shrug like "well the schools are good".
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Solice Kirsk posted:Everyone is a piece of poo poo with the only exception, possibly in the history of the world, being Fred Rogers. I've seen people wanting to add Bob Ross and Steve Irwin to this list. I don't know enough about either of them to really make a judgment
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purple death ray posted:I've seen people wanting to add Bob Ross and Steve Irwin to this list. I don't know enough about either of them to really make a judgment unironic gentleness is something people took for granted until the supply dried up
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Solice Kirsk posted:Everyone is a piece of poo poo with the only exception, possibly in the history of the world, being Fred Rogers. Jim Henson?
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Tony Hart
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Carl Sagan
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Tony Hawk
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Dolly Parton and Betty White.
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HopperUK posted:Lol Tim DeKay isn't good-looking, okay. This guy? He's TV "average" at best. Like a sitcom dad.
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Pastry of the Year posted:unironic gentleness is something people took for granted until the supply dried up They're also all dead. That's why the campaigns to sanctify them are puerile on their face. Look at NDT or Bill Nye, or even LeVar Burton and Neil Gaiman for examples of living men who would absolutely be up on the Redditor Saint Wall had they died before Twitter became a thing. That's why it's hard to decry the campaigns to celebrate them, because putting them on a pedestal makes a certain amount of sense-- they all promoted non-partisan values you'd have to be a genuine sociopath to deny are worthwhile, so dragging their names through the mud only tarnishes the luster of said values.
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It's like...he's fine, I guess, but put him up against Bomer especially and there's no comparison. edit: It's like, if they were drawn or animated characters, they're from completely different genres of media somehow on at the same time. marshmallow creep has a new favorite as of 22:56 on May 8, 2020 |
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Do I want to know what levar burton did
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purple death ray posted:Do I want to know what levar burton did But he's not dead. Redditors and weirdos need to feel that the modern age is a "lost" one where good men are all dead. It gets them off in a narrative sense. Gaiman too seems like a cool dude, but it's hard to sanctify him when he's still making middling adaptations of his short stories for the BBC while his (ex?)-wife makes their marriage a public spectacle on social media. marshmallow creep posted:
I could put Bohmer in the Galleria dell'Accademia next to the David and it would be no comparison. The man is the kind of beautiful that makes you angry.
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Oh sure, Matt Bomer is ridiculously good-looking, but he's younger than me and so he's just in the 'what a handsome boy, his mother must be so proud' sort of area. Each to their own
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mind the walrus posted:Gaiman too seems like a cool dude, but it's hard to sanctify him when he's still making middling adaptations of his short stories for the BBC while his (ex?)-wife makes their marriage a public spectacle on social media. Gaiman's said some suspect poo poo about the legality of child porn, and his trans opinions skew TERFy. I feel okay saying he's not that great.
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Gaiman hosed Amanda Palmer and decided that wasn't enough self-absorbed lovely human pussy and polyfucked erica moen as well
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Gaiman's said some suspect poo poo about the legality of child porn, and his trans opinions skew TERFy. I feel okay saying he's not that great. Pick posted:Gaiman hosed Amanda Palmer and decided that wasn't enough self-absorbed lovely human pussy and polyfucked erica moen as well
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mind the walrus posted:
I would say Bill Nye and LeVar Burton absolutely have the exact same kind of modern sainthood despite being living Gaiman, not so much, I feel like he was on his way there but marrying Amanda Palmer (who is an absolutely comically awful person) kind of took the shine off his star even before some of his weirder opinions came out
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Yeah that's why I was wondering about levar, I thought it was a list of people who would have been 'sanctified' if they had died before the terrible thing they did became public. Like you put NDT on there and he got me-tooed almost as soon as the movement got started
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NDT tried really hard but it was over for him the instant he got Twitter. Dude could not stop being a pompous STEM stereotype in spite of himself. But really the key is that you need to have the halo of death on you to be deified. LeVar Burton is probably a very nice man. He's also had to deal with Star Trek fans asking him questions about the Warp Core for over 30 years. He still works with people and has bad days, not to mention the exacting standards of authority one would expect from an accomplished director. Bill Nye to, minus the Trek and Director stuff. While much of the public writ large may deify them, they don't have that final push necessary. Meanwhile literally everyone who worked with Steve Irwin is now 14 years removed from the last time they saw him, and that's the earliest example from the Reddit cadre of male Saints. So even the people closest have filtered out the more humanizing memories and make sure to say nice stuff whenever press vultures come by. That increases the halo effect. That's what makes them saints. mind the walrus has a new favorite as of 23:31 on May 8, 2020 |
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i think some of the sheen came off bill nye, perhaps unfairly, when he was doing the television special thing - iirc by taking a stance on the controversial issue of modern gender he was either being too progressive or not nearly progressive enough and by being his usual wacky self he was either being too awkward or was simply making a serious subject too light his heart was probably in the right place, it's just that these issues can be so divisive you're likely gonna lose some of that general good will one way or another
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I've never seen any of the Law and Orders--which is the best? I conflated it with NCIS a while back and watched a bunch of those, but they were pretty bad. The main thing I remember is a scene where one of the nerds was either hacking a computer or trying to stop their computer being hacked by pounding away at a keyboard, but they weren't doing it fast enough, so another nerd started typing on the same keyboard at the same time
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artsy fartsy posted:I've never seen any of the Law and Orders--which is the best? Classic. Start from the beginning and stop once Jerry Orbach leaves.
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hard counter posted:i think some of the sheen came off bill nye, perhaps unfairly, when he was doing the television special thing - iirc by taking a stance on the controversial issue of modern gender he was either being too progressive or not nearly progressive enough and by being his usual wacky self he was either being too awkward or was simply making a serious subject too light IIRC there was a musical number that was pretty cringey, but well-intentioned cringe is hardly on the same level as some of the scummy stuff lovely people get up to. I think the worst thing you could say about Rogers is that he convinced a gay man to get married to a woman, but that one’s been told to death, Clemmons doesn’t hold it against him, and things were different pre-Stonewall.
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artsy fartsy posted:I've never seen any of the Law and Orders--which is the best? rydiafan posted:Classic. Start from the beginning and stop once Jerry Orbach leaves. Pretty much this, which still gets you like 14 full seasons that are all mostly good stuff. The next few seasons aren’t bad, but aren’t particularly good either, just eh. Season 17 has been mentioned a few times as the lowest point, almost entirely due to Detective Cassidy being pretty awful in every aspect, but after that, the last 3 years have a cast that worked really well together and it was a return to mostly solid stuff.
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artsy fartsy posted:I've never seen any of the Law and Orders--which is the best? that scene is simultaneously the dumbest thing ever put on television and a perfect encapsulation of why NCIS owned (it didn't really bother taking itself seriously despite being a Very Serious Military Show). It is a very dumb show though.
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Pick posted:Gaiman hosed Amanda Palmer and decided that wasn't enough self-absorbed lovely human pussy and polyfucked erica moen as well Oh god. I was at Palmer's book reading in Portland when Moen was on stage as part of the round-table, but did not know that tidbit In my defense, a friend is a fan, needed a ride, had a spare ticket, and bought me dinner. mind the walrus posted:I wouldn't be shocked but I genuinely don't know and it's not like I have any interest one way or the other. I'm just saying he's the kind of soft-spoken, gentle humanist with a slight intellectual bent that would absolutely get him deified alongside Bob Ross, Steve Irwin, and Fred Rogers if he had died in 2008. That's fair! Will agree with that.
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rydiafan posted:Classic. Start from the beginning and stop once Jerry Orbach leaves. The first five or six season of SVU are good, too. Technically, when Benson leaves (for the first time) is a little bit past the good years, but it's a good enough stopping point off the top of my head. I mean, still some stinkers in there, always are, but not like anything in the past 10 years or so where every single one is ham-fisted "ripped from the headlines" garbage". My favorite ep of SVU is probably "Manhunt." It's a great Munch episode, and he doesn't get enough times to shine. Two other great Munch episodes are the ones where Marlee Marlin guest stars.
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DrBouvenstein posted:The first five or six season of SVU are good, too. not SVU, but the Munch episode of X-Files is pretty great.
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hard counter posted:i think some of the sheen came off bill nye, perhaps unfairly, when he was doing the television special thing - iirc by taking a stance on the controversial issue of modern gender he was either being too progressive or not nearly progressive enough and by being his usual wacky self he was either being too awkward or was simply making a serious subject too light it's also really awkward to go back and watch that stuff now because one of his assistants is karlie kloss, who went maga-chud by marrying into the kushner family also L&O chat: definitely watch vanilla up to and through orbach's years, which yeah is like 14 seasons. and then yes you can pick back up again from season 18 when cassady leaves and cutter arrives. you miss 3 seasons, one senior detective, two junior detectives, and one ADA. None of them are particularly amazing, and you skip some truly bad poo poo from Cassady and Arthur Branch. Joe Fontana is good, but not worth the rest of the crap. Also check out CI if you want to see one man go progressively insane from eating scenery and nothing but. It's a one-note show: you either like Vincent D'Onofrio's Detective Goren or you don't.
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The only thing I know about Amanda Palmer is she wrote an entire ukulele song about why she should be allowed to say friend of the family. That tells me pretty much everything.
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Koalas March posted:The only thing I know about Amanda Palmer is she wrote an entire ukulele song about why she should be allowed to say friend of the family. That tells me pretty much everything. That's extremely Amanda Palmer but she also used a clip of her dead ex-boyfriend finding her after she pretended to commit suicide, in a song.
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Also, if we’re talking the original Law & Order and SVU’s John Munch, you may wanna look up Homicide: Life on the Street. They crossed over two or three times during the late 90s, and while I haven’t seen much of it in forever since it’s not in syndication like L&O, I recall it generally being good too.
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Pick posted:That's extremely Amanda Palmer but she also used a clip of her dead ex-boyfriend finding her after she pretended to commit suicide, in a song. What the gently caress. Did he consent to that or was it after he died? What a loving creep
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TheKennedys posted:that scene is simultaneously the dumbest thing ever put on television and a perfect encapsulation of why NCIS owned (it didn't really bother taking itself seriously despite being a Very Serious Military Show). It is a very dumb show though. NCIS is way about analyzing the characters via murder. Too bad Weatherly turned out to be a creep.
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Koalas March posted:What the gently caress. Did he consent to that or was it after he died? What a loving creep
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Arivia posted:Also check out CI if you want to see one man go progressively insane from eating scenery and nothing but. It's a one-note show: you either like Vincent D'Onofrio's Detective Goren or you don't. And then in the latter run it was Jeff Goldblum basically playing the same character.
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I literally don't remember which television show it was on, because he's been in so many of them, but there's a scene where some punk that they're interrogating misreads Detective Munch's badge as "defective monk", and that has been my Diablo necromancer name ever since. I think it was the crossover between Homicide and classic Law & Order.
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fartknocker posted:Also, if we’re talking the original Law & Order and SVU’s John Munch, you may wanna look up Homicide: Life on the Street. They crossed over two or three times during the late 90s, and while I haven’t seen much of it in forever since it’s not in syndication like L&O, I recall it generally being good too. So there’s a famous episode of St. Elsewhere that implies that the entire show takes place in the imagination of an autistic child named Tommy Westphall. So some people decided that any show that had a crossover or character cameo with St. Elsewhere was part of this “Westphall Universe” and shows that crossed over with those shows were as well and so on and so on. Last I checked there were dozens (maybe even up into the hundreds?) of shows that had been folded in and John Munch was responsibility for a staggeringly large number of them.
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Arivia posted:Joe Fontana is good, but not worth the rest of the crap. Did they explain what his deal was? I remember there was a point made about how he seemed to have a lot more money than a cop should, driving flashy cars and so on, but don't remember any explanation as to why (IIRC there were rumours of him being paid off by the mob?)
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