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And the ~2008+ Dell bios had mouse support and more UI stuff. Way before UEFI Winamp junk. Has anyone made a UEFI bios that’s functionally clean? Big OEMs don’t count. I mean in the consumer space.
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Shaocaholica posted:And the ~2008+ Dell bios had mouse support and more UI stuff. Way before UEFI Winamp junk. Has anyone made a UEFI bios that’s functionally clean? Big OEMs don’t count. I mean in the consumer space. Anandtech has a gallary for the previous generation, and I would be surprised if it's changed.
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Shaocaholica posted:And the ~2008+ Dell bios had mouse support and more UI stuff. Way before UEFI Winamp junk. Has anyone made a UEFI bios that’s functionally clean? Big OEMs don’t count. I mean in the consumer space. The msi non-max boards with the zen 2 update have a clean old school look, out of necessity
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https://twitter.com/momomo_us/status/1259829078007242753 So Asrock (some), MSI (most), and Giga (all) saying their boards will work with PCIe 4.0... and Asus aint sayin poo poo. Honestly after the AMD compatibility drama catching some of these board partners out last dang week, I kinda think Asus being conservative is the right position for an OEM to take.
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JawnV6 posted:how would per-core multipliers even work
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JawnV6 posted:how would per-core multipliers even work, you'd need BGF's all over the place yeah that setting in current day OC BIOS reflects turbo frequency, not actual per core multiplers with different clock domains. That said, I would be interested to see how Winders handles the Snapdragon 835, since it has separate clock domains for the bigLITTLE... might be a good hint as to how they plan to handle Alder Lake and Lakefield's multiple clock domains.
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EVGA has B-stock X299 Dark for $170 free shipping. No idea what I'd use it for, but drat if that isn't a killer price on one of the best ricer X299 boards. I suppose nobody else has any idea either, that's why they're on super-special.
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Cygni posted:yeah that setting in current day OC BIOS reflects turbo frequency, not actual per core multiplers with different clock domains. Cygni posted:That said, I would be interested to see how Winders handles the Snapdragon 835, since it has separate clock domains for the bigLITTLE... might be a good hint as to how they plan to handle Alder Lake and Lakefield's multiple clock domains.
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Intels new Xeon W-1200, specifically the W-1290, is exactly what I've been looking for for my new workstation. The new 400 series chipset also supports vPro across the whole line.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Intels new Xeon W-1200, specifically the W-1290, is exactly what I've been looking for for my new workstation. For work or personal?
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Shaocaholica posted:For work or personal? I'm looking to build a system that's got some remote capabilities, ECC, and as much memory as possible. It'll be running FreeBSD and doing routing+ipfw for my FTTH, as well as hosting NFS+krb5i filesharing on top of ZFS for both LAN and WAN, daily driver desktop OS with Firefox as a browser, and using bhyve as a hypervisor for Windows 10 for gaming. Since I'll be doing virtualization, I also need the firmware and the onboard NICs to support SR-IOV, otherwise I'm gonna need even more pci-ex lanes. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 20:06 on May 14, 2020 |
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I thought about doing something similar, but decided against putting the routing on my workstation so that Internet stays up even when I'm updating/rebooting the box in case things go sideways and I have to use my laptop to look up docs, download a patch, etc. How's bhyve work for GPU passthrough these days? Can it mask itself sufficiently to work with NVIDIA drivers and their consumer GPUs?
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SamDabbers posted:I thought about doing something similar, but decided against putting the routing on my workstation so that Internet stays up even when I'm updating/rebooting the box in case things go sideways and I have to use my laptop to look up docs, download a patch, etc. As for reboots, FreeBSD gets security updates every 10-50 days, but not all of them include the kernel, so since FreeBSD is smart about patch levels, reboots are only needed if the kernel is updated. Unless it's something like the latest libalias (read: ipfw in-kernel NAT, that I use) or cryptodev security advisories (both of which were quite impressive!), I can usually justify putting off a reboot until I go to bed, when I won't be using it. It's not like there's any risk of rebooting when I have ZFS and boot environments, as if it fails to reboot, it'll just boot up in the old boot environment and I can look at what went wrong in the morning. Nope, no proper GPU passthrough. Mostly because nvidia are still being complete shitheels about complete IOMMU-based device pass-through (although AMD aren't good about SR-IOV pass-through either). Which is to say, you can pass through the GPU to a FreeBSD guest and have the FreeBSD driver attach to it, but if you try it with Windows, it just shrugs at you and acts like a mopey teenager. I'll likely end up with an AMD graphics card, but I spent most of my mopey teenage years with an Intel CPU and AMD graphics card, so it'll be familiar. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 21:27 on May 14, 2020 |
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D. Ebdrup posted:My laptop has a HSPA modem, and I've got a cheap LTE-A modem on the way (I succeeded in finding a mini-pcie-ex modem with LTE! That in itself is a miracle!). Both support USB CDC ECM/NCM, so they just appear to FreeBSD as a cdce(4)-based NIC that you request a DHCP address from, instead of having to do PPP. I'd love to hear more about the LTE-A modem--like which one you used. Especially interested in one for FreeBSD.
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Hed posted:I'd love to hear more about the LTE-A modem--like which one you used. Especially interested in one for FreeBSD. It's a Huawei ME909s-120 which is supported in every supported branch. It does LTE cat4, so it's ~150/50Mbps depending on signal and how much the shared medium is being utilized. At least the latency should better, as that's one of the areas that LTE made decent improvements on over HSPA, if memory serves?
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JawnV6 posted:ohh, so 1 core we've got headroom 52x, 4 cores we're limited 48x. gotcha, makes a lot more sense. thanks! Unless you're samsung and dgaf https://link.medium.com/arrb9RG8u6
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If you had to choose between an i7 7700k or i5 8500 hand-me downs for gaming, it looks like the 7700k is the better choice?
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WhyteRyce posted:If you had to choose between an i7 7700k or i5 8500 hand-me downs for gaming, it looks like the 7700k is the better choice? I think the 7700l would be better.
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Computerbase benchmarked Coffee Lake vs Ryzen with various memory speeds and two different GPUs. The Intel chips still like fast, optimized RAM, particuarly when overclocked. Most sites only publish stock vs stock results, but the overclocked comparison shows a sizeable gap in both FPS and frametimes. here's the link: https://www.computerbase.de/2020-05/spieleleistung-test-intel-core-i9-9900k-amd-ryzen-9-3900x-ram-oc e: attachment is way too large but the post form doesn't give me an option to modify it. 
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Comet Lake reviews are out. Only had a couple of minutes to look through but Tl;dr seems to be that they're pretty fast but at the expense of horrific power consumption. https://www.anandtech.com/show/15785/the-intel-comet-lake-review-skylake-we-go-again
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Yeah, turns out the spec sheets told you all you needed to know, its a faster, and thus hotter, Coffee Lake with more cores.
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Some Goon posted:Yeah, turns out the spec sheets told you all you needed to know, its a faster, and thus hotter, It's OK, but I'm a bit surprised that 10 cores at 4.9GHz burning an enormous amount of power couldn't catch up to a 3900X in productivity tasks. I thought maybe the sheer clock advantage would have helped there. It really is getting a bit desperate now though, they really need a process shrink or a newer architecture, we're reaching Peak Skylake™ HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 20, 2020 |
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So nothing has changed? AMD is still better for everything but very specific single-threaded productivity tasks and AMD has a 5%~ FPS drop for games. AMD still runs cooler, is cheaper, and draws less power as well. Am I missing something?
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ratbert90 posted:So nothing has changed? AMD is still better for everything but very specific single-threaded productivity tasks and AMD has a 5%~ FPS drop for games. Basically. They've introduced i7 and i5 chips that are competitive with AMD in the same way the i9 is, but considering you'd have to buy a $100+ AIO to really get performance out of them I'm not sure who those chips are for.
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HalloKitty posted:It's OK, but I'm a bit surprised that 10 cores at 4.9GHz burning an enormous amount of power couldn't catch up to a 3900X in productivity tasks. I thought maybe the sheer clock advantage would have helped there. i guess the 4 extra threads swamps the 10-20% clock advantage rocket lake is the new arch coming soon (tm) nobody should be buying these processors they are awfully positioned.
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zen 3 is coming later this year too so gently caress paying for these hot-rear end chips
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Shaocaholica posted:10th gen still 14nm right? 10th and 11th. 11th will be Rocket Lake, which is supposed to be a new architecture that was originally meant to release on 10nm. It's being back-ported to 14nm. There'll be no 10nm desktop parts from Intel until some time into 2021.
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Riflen posted:10th and 11th. TSMC is beginning volume production on 5nm. That's ~172 million transistors/mm, while Intel will still be on 37.5 million/mm. That's crazy.
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It’s not as crazy as murder hornets and bee balls but I’m not worried.
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The 10900k is goofy. The 2 extra cores being tacked on with extra latency is very strange. It really is only for those that will only accept THE BEST gaming CPU. Just like the Ryzen stack, the lower level parts are much more interesting. The 10700kf is fairly well positioned against the 3800X. You pay a $50 premium for a few FPS now, but frequency does tend to help parts age better. I also think the price will sink a bit. The 10600 is just too expensive. Like everything else both AMD and Intel make, the 3600 makes it all irrelevant. If it was $180? Or even $200 even? Would be a lot better positioned. But who knows how many of these intel really intends to make and sell with their capacity issues.
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Enthusiasts shouldn't be buying them but fortunately for Intel enthusiasts aren't the ones with those giant lucrative deals and contracts that keep them afloat
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I remember when I got a free hand-me-down dual core Pentium 4. Those were good times
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Riflen posted:There'll be no 10nm desktop parts from Intel until some time into 2021.
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WhyteRyce posted:I remember when I got a free hand-me-down dual core Pentium 4. Those were good times Prescott was hot, and slightly worse per-clock than Northwood. What could be better than slamming two of them together and calling it the Pentium D? Nothing; best to ignore the 130W TDP. Not to be confused with Pentium Dual Core, of course, which was Core based. Still, for naming confusion, that has nothing on 10900X and 10900K. Good job, Intel HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:23 on May 20, 2020 |
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I still have a loaded Dell Precision 670 workstation with 2x dual core pentium4 Xeons. That's 4x P4 cores in one system its amazing.
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