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May 9, 2020 23:56
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There's almost no ambiguity at all to whether Tony gets merked at the end(of course he does) but people really want to believe he survives for some reason
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May 10, 2020 02:06
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:There's almost no ambiguity at all to whether Tony gets merked at the end(of course he does) but people really want to believe he survives for some reason And to those people I say: don’t stop believing.
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May 10, 2020 02:34
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Solice Kirsk posted:Tony either got shot or went to jail. The ending left it in such a way that you could fill in the blank with whichever one you wanted. He'd been saying there's only two ends to a guy like him for the entire run of the show. He also says you never hear the shot that kills you. And the final scene cuts from Tony's face to black and silence. Tony Soprano got to see his daughter's face one final time, but he didn't hear the shot that killed him.
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May 10, 2020 05:55
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One very common thing about 'fictional worlds' and the attachment that people develop to them is that it even 'regular rear end adults' gets swept in by these irrational thoughts about world persisting outside of the 'authorial creation', it's easy to understand why this is becoming more and more prevalent with the media working diligently to convince us that 'cinematic universes' are a thing and that fictional canon is anything other than some guy going 'this is what matters because of rules i just made up in mind', it's basically a child playing pretend but at a grander scale, this plays out in many ways in modern culture, but part of this phenomena is manifested in the way people react so strongly to 'endings' and worst yet to ambivalent endings, the author going 'ok, I'm done' is just not enough, to the people his made up world still exists, they 'know' that Tony is fictional character but they also have a strong relationship with him and feel that his 'universe' continues existing and so that asking questions like 'gee, I wonder what happened next' even makes any sort of sense. Stephen King writes in the preface to The Stand re-edit that he's been getting letters asking him 'what fran and stu are up to?' for decades now, like people genuinely want him to tell them 'oh they're just fine, don't worry about it'; it's a very weird investment in fiction that really should be discourages, all of these continous fictional universes and franchises are breaking people's ability to consume fiction without scrambling their brains a little in the process. Sopranos good, it's over, author ended it at point of ambivalence as a statement, this doesn't detract from the show which is meant to be a character study. GoT bad, D&D are idiot dummies, this whole phenomena hinged upon recreating martin's "immersive universe" (basically, just a stylistic setting, in the context of the show) and through immersing the audience in this universe feeding them poo poo through a straw as it was delivered by characters with whom the audience bonded through the strength of GRRM's writing, without people being so easily conned by these fictional universes everyone would have checked out past season 5 when the quality dropped.
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May 10, 2020 07:19
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nine-gear crow posted:He also says you never hear the shot that kills you. And the final scene cuts from Tony's face to black and silence. Tony Soprano got to see his daughter's face one final time, but he didn't hear the shot that killed him. Oh, I agree. I'm big into the "Tony got killed" camp. But there's people that argue it the other way as well.
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May 10, 2020 20:49
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Solice Kirsk posted:Oh, I agree. I'm big into the "Tony got killed" camp. But there's people that argue it the other way as well. Syrio Lives!
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May 10, 2020 22:24
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emanresu tnuocca posted:One very common thing about 'fictional worlds' and the attachment that people develop to them is that it even 'regular rear end adults' gets swept in by these irrational thoughts about world persisting outside of the 'authorial creation', it's easy to understand why this is becoming more and more prevalent with the media working diligently to convince us that 'cinematic universes' are a thing and that fictional canon is anything other than some guy going 'this is what matters because of rules i just made up in mind', it's basically a child playing pretend but at a grander scale, this plays out in many ways in modern culture, but part of this phenomena is manifested in the way people react so strongly to 'endings' and worst yet to ambivalent endings, the author going 'ok, I'm done' is just not enough, to the people his made up world still exists, they 'know' that Tony is fictional character but they also have a strong relationship with him and feel that his 'universe' continues existing and so that asking questions like 'gee, I wonder what happened next' even makes any sort of sense. That's because the adults in question, no longer have as vivid and active of an imagination as children on average, and thus cannot imagine their own side-canon of the universe presented and demand to be 'told' more, while someone with an active imagination may head straight to fan-fiction as reaction to the end.
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May 10, 2020 22:59
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Hasselblad posted:Syrio Lives!
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May 10, 2020 23:19
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It's weird I just couldn't get into the Sopranos. I tried to watch it long after it was a big deal and I was just like um.. this is just Analyze This but not funny.
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May 10, 2020 23:40
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Counterpoint the show is funnier than any sitcom
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May 11, 2020 00:42
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pseudanonymous posted:It's weird I just couldn't get into the Sopranos. I tried to watch it long after it was a big deal and I was just like um.. this is just Analyze This but not funny. youre right that is weird
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May 11, 2020 00:43
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Analyze This is The Sopranos but not funny.
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May 11, 2020 01:16
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pseudanonymous posted:It's weird I just couldn't get into the Sopranos. I tried to watch it long after it was a big deal and I was just like um.. this is just Analyze This but not funny.
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May 11, 2020 01:17
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banned from Starbucks posted:Counterpoint the show is funnier than any sitcom
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May 11, 2020 03:09
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah it's like the Simpsons except live action and Homer's job is "mob boss". You have displeased Fat Tony (both of them) with this.
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May 11, 2020 03:44
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I watched The Sopranos well after its heyday and it did take me a while to get into too, but mostly because I felt like I'd seen so much of it already thanks to the wave of prestige shows that followed it stealing most of its tricks
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May 11, 2020 03:56
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Eh... There are some easy plot things to spoil in The Sopranos, but the performances / written dialogue are why that show is the best.
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May 11, 2020 05:42
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mind the walrus posted:I had almost spent a full decade repressing this bullshit. In two words you brought it back. Thanks. Every time I’m out, they pull me back in.
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May 11, 2020 11:06
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:I watched The Sopranos well after its heyday and it did take me a while to get into too, but mostly because I felt like I'd seen so much of it already thanks to the wave of prestige shows that followed it stealing most of its tricks I agree with this - watching Sopranos (I think I watched the whole thing right around the time the final season was airing, so caught up as it finished), after a great first season I gradually found myself realizing that I hated literally every character on the show and wanted them all to die and never have to see them again. Conversely Breaking Bad for example was smart enough as its protagonist got worse and worse to foreground other characters you could still root for and care about (and as comic characters got more serious, bring in ringers like Saul to fill the void)... so you could enjoy a bunch of crazy criminal hijinks without wishing for a comet to wipe out their fictional earth. Like a lot of pioneers, once Sopranos blazed the trail a bunch of others took their formula and did it better.
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May 13, 2020 15:05
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thumper57 posted:after a great first season I gradually found myself realizing that I hated literally every character on the show and wanted them all to die and never have to see them again. You must've loved the ending
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May 13, 2020 15:12
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hobbesmaster posted:You must've loved the ending I did!
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May 13, 2020 15:18
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The Sopranos was a really good show that clearly didn't endorse its horrible characters, and the only reason to say otherwise is to be a fussy contrarian picking at pieces and ignoring the whole. Contrast this with Game of Thrones which is a show that only looks good in moments of isolate and as a whole is a big pileup of crap.
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May 13, 2020 16:15
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IIRC, James Gandolfini mentioned in an interview that during the course of the show he had multiple instances where he was contacted by fans who were were mobsters or mob-adjacent.
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May 13, 2020 17:58
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The first like three seasons of Game of Thrones were really good. poo poo, just delivering the wealth of public meltdowns at the red wedding might justify the whole loving mess.
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May 13, 2020 18:27
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:The first like three seasons of Game of Thrones were really good. poo poo, just delivering the wealth of public meltdowns at the red wedding might justify the whole loving mess. 4 is still ok, in spite of some stupid bullshit, it has some great scenes After that is that it goes downhill fast Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 18:36
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Is there a definitive answer to like.. what happened at the Purple wedding? I mean I know there was this whole thing with Sansa and her jewelry. Was that the poison then? Was it magic? I thought the Queen of Thorns lady did it, so why put the poison on Sansa. Like was there a poison sniffer or something? I never understood what the point of that was, just to make Sansa feel guilty and needlessly complicate things?
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May 13, 2020 21:19
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PittTheElder posted:The first like three seasons of Game of Thrones were really good. poo poo, just delivering the wealth of public meltdowns at the red wedding might justify the whole loving mess. There was no realistic way to ever get that scale into the show and it's clear the show had the best money, actors, and production design possible so I don't knock it for that, but it's one reason I was never in the "oh the show was so good up to Season 3" camp.
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May 13, 2020 21:26
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not getting killed for treason is why you put the poison on sansa. she's a patsy
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May 13, 2020 21:28
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I think they mean "why bother killing Joffrey when it seems obvious--especially with hindsight-- that all it'll do is put Cersei even more firmly on the throne?" Taking Tyrion off the board is the only reason I could think of, but even then no one takes Tyrion all that seriously and Cersei is just Joffrey with a little more patience, so what's the real net gain there?
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May 13, 2020 21:33
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Evil Fluffy posted:IIRC, James Gandolfini mentioned in an interview that during the course of the show he had multiple instances where he was contacted by fans who were were mobsters or mob-adjacent. Andre Royo got offered actual heroin for free by an actual heroin addict on the street of Baltimore because "You look like you need this more than I do."
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May 13, 2020 21:41
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mind the walrus posted:I think they mean "why bother killing Joffrey when it seems obvious--especially with hindsight-- that all it'll do is put Cersei even more firmly on the throne?" So Joffrey wouldn’t rape her granddaughter?
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May 13, 2020 21:43
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Her granddaughter wouldn't be married to a monster.
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May 13, 2020 21:43
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violent sex idiot posted:not getting killed for treason is why you put the poison on sansa. she's a patsy I get like blaming Sansa, and framing Tyrion. I just remember there was this thing about how important she wear this special necklace, which presumably was a magical poisonous necklace I guess? I guess I just never understand what sort of physically happened. I guess I could just reread it, but like how did the necklace get the poison into the cup?
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May 13, 2020 21:48
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I might be conflating memories from the show, but I think one of the amethysts in the PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 21:57 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 21:54
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hobbesmaster posted:So Joffrey wouldn’t rape her granddaughter? That does make sense.
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May 13, 2020 22:07
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PittTheElder posted:I might be conflating memories from the show, but I think one of the amethysts in the Yes but why? Why the elaborate plot with having Sansa bring the poison in and someone else take it off them and use it? Doesn't that seem unnecessarily complex? Sansa flees after anyway, so they would've blamed her anyway, so... why?
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May 13, 2020 22:24
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The geography of the scene makes it so that a retainer would likely have a hard time getting access to Joffrey's cup before someone else could inspect it, but one of the head nobles would have a much easier time.
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May 13, 2020 22:28
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pseudanonymous posted:Yes but why? Why the elaborate plot with having Sansa bring the poison in and someone else take it off them and use it? Doesn't that seem unnecessarily complex? Yeah, I always though that made no sense
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May 13, 2020 22:29
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mind the walrus posted:The geography of the scene makes it so that a retainer would likely have a hard time getting access to Joffrey's cup before someone else could inspect it, but one of the head nobles would have a much easier time. Then... why risk the plot by having the poison somewhere else? Why not just have Olenna carry it herself? It's not like afterwards people are like "oh clearly Sansa did it she had that necklace or shawl or whatever and it had those black jewels and those black jewels = the strangler" And on top of that, if that really was the poison, they risked the whole plot on someone they didn't trust, that drunken knight that Sansa saved, telling him to tell Sansa to wear the necklace. And we know they didn't trust him because they kill him right afterwards. It just struck me as either George Lucas style plot twists, or else Martin meant to do something with it and then edited it but forget that the reason for the whole necklace thing had been edited out or I don't know what.
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May 13, 2020 23:05
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