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I like how SD3's easy mode was just "pick Kevin." And now Trials' easy mode is "pick Angela."
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May 10, 2020 23:32
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Beefstew posted:I like how SD3's easy mode was just "pick Kevin." And now Trials' easy mode is "pick Angela." It's definitely still pick Kevin. I feel like the worst character this time over is Hawkeye, he's a bit all over the place. It's very strange that his light/light class suddenly requires spirit for example and all his spells are weirdly crowd controlly and not that great. I feel like everyone else has their special niche and he doesn't. That's not to say he's bad, just the worst of the 6. Taear fucked around with this message at 23:38 on May 10, 2020 |
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May 10, 2020 23:35
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idk reisz's attack strings are kind of cruddy and buff items are cheap as hell. don't feel like she really brings much. hawkeye is at least fun to use
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May 10, 2020 23:40
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Taear posted:It's definitely still pick Kevin. Hawkeye eventually gets an instakill attack with his strong attacks. He's good.
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May 10, 2020 23:47
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lets hang out posted:idk reisz's attack strings are kind of cruddy and buff items are cheap as hell. don't feel like she really brings much. hawkeye is at least fun to use Reisz does tonnes of damage and her perma-debuffs on every enemy are glorious. Definitely better than having to work out what items do what as well. Hawkeye doesn't feel like he has a slot. Instakilling normal baddies isn't really very important to me, maybe if it worked on bosses?
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May 10, 2020 23:51
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Taear posted:Reisz does tonnes of damage and her perma-debuffs on every enemy are glorious. Definitely better than having to work out what items do what as well. Hawkeyes is good, even beyond the 'lucky find' chain abilities. First, he is very fun to actually control, which is important. He actually has easy to use power attacks that mesh well. Second, his classes are all pretty good? someone mentioned how his light classes have interesting tanking mechanics or good damage earlier, and his master ninja class is very good at AoEs, with AoEs being kind of king in this game. Not sure about nightblade, but I'm sure it's not bad even beyond the 10% chance to insta kill.
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May 10, 2020 23:57
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Looking through Riesz options, Vanadis seems completely useless...like Starlancer is better in every way. Am I missing something?
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May 10, 2020 23:58
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Poque posted:Looking through Riesz options, Vanadis seems completely useless...like Starlancer is better in every way. Am I missing something? Everyone's got a class that's a bit poo poo. Arkeus posted:Hawkeyes is good, even beyond the 'lucky find' chain abilities. First, he is very fun to actually control, which is important. He actually has easy to use power attacks that mesh well. Lucky Find is good, sure. But Nomad at least doesn't have anything useful at all. And having to pivot to putting points in spirit to get his underwhelming spells is annoying. Too much of his stuff only works in normal fights and they're over so fast that I don't NEED anything fancy (like crowd control) in them. I also find him quite hard to control in all honesty, Reisz and Kevin seem easier to get their combos off with. Maybe what makes the difference is going specific ways with your characters, because I didn't find Angela in Dark/Dark even half as strong as Kevin in Dark/Dark because the enemies are so loving mobile that Ancient Power misses a lot. It's great in normal fights, but not so great in boss fights (with one or two exceptions where the enemy is large and sat about) Taear fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 00:01
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Taear posted:You'll have a pretty hard time. The promotions make such a big difference that being level 16 instead of level 18 in an area and doing a boss at 16 instead of 18 is night and day I've found. Oof yeah, I just got destroyed by Harcypete. The AI is extremely bad at dodging her untelegraphed attacks, so I ran out of rez items while she was still at 3/4 HP. I could probably solo her down with Duran because all her attacks are avoidable, but it would take me forever, and getting hit by just one grab attack would be game over. And if she's this hard, there's no way in hell I'm getting past Zehnoa or B&B. Oh well 
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May 11, 2020 00:05
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Taear posted:In other news does anyone ever really use their charge attacks? Towards the end of the game (as Angela) I kinda forgot it existed and even as Kevin it feels a bit underwhelming and not worth the bother. The only time I've used them is when an enemy is doing some attack with a nebulous hitbox and I want a power attack ready to go when they're done because attacking into their back will mean I get hit by the back of the hitbox, otherwise it's faster even to do a single light -> power attack and does more damage. Even the skills I've had with Duran that buff it don't buff it enough to not make it worthless.
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May 11, 2020 00:12
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Arkeus posted:Not sure about nightblade, but I'm sure it's not bad even beyond the 10% chance to insta kill. Nightblade gets status effect abilities, so not great for bosses even though he can still debuff. But then he also gets another instant kill on hit for any enemy inflicted with a status, plus damage boosts on afflicted enemies. It's a trash melter.
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May 11, 2020 00:13
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Hawkeye's honestly right behind Angela, at least in 3 of his 4 classes. Rogue is a caster that targets defense (making him a natural partner to Dark Kevin or Duran) and does more damage.then you'd expect with some very big spells, Ninja Master is a screen-filling debuff machine while so doing appreciable Magic Damage with some potent personal enhancents who also is the best character at refilling his CS meter in boss fights, while Nightblade Hawkeye completely trivializes trash encounters between rapidly multi-hitting AoE status attacks, 10% IK rate per hit, and 30% CS per enemy IK'd while still putting in some work in boss fights due to still having ST debuffs and pretty good damage on his class spells. No character is bad, although some lean harder on their support aspects then others, and support isn't nearly as important in this version of the game then the original. Rieze probably gets slapped with this the hardest because her personal damage is lowest of all characters across all their jobs (although Light/Light Charlotte is the lowest among all individual paths, followed by Light/Dark Duran) but she doesn't do BAD damage, especially in Dragon Master, and her debuffs in particular are damage increases that stack multiplicitivity to the buffs that you can slather on your party.
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May 11, 2020 00:14
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Had to pull up my old SD3 save file from '07 to find out what my party was. Star Lancer Liesz, Rune Master Angela, Night Blade Hawkeye. Good times, I barely remember this game and it will be fun to play it again.
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May 11, 2020 00:19
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Taear posted:Yea for your spoiler above you called it prologue. Charge attacks are just for breaking armor off enemies pretty much. You also get 6% gauge in crystals, but you do a lot less damage than combos, so it doesn't seem worth it.
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May 11, 2020 00:31
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Poque posted:Looking through Riesz options, Vanadis seems completely useless...like Starlancer is better in every way. Am I missing something? Vanadis is for giving Riesz something that fully covers her legs?
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May 11, 2020 00:34
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Do charge attacks actually remove armor? I was under the impression that armor just breaks after X amount of damage, regardless of the source.
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May 11, 2020 00:35
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It comes off to normal attacks eventually, but charge attacks (and class strikes) are much more effective at it. Other than a couple super beefy enemies at the end of the game, it's always knocked it off in one hit for me.
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May 11, 2020 00:38
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Taear posted:In other news does anyone ever really use their charge attacks? Towards the end of the game (as Angela) I kinda forgot it existed and even as Kevin it feels a bit underwhelming and not worth the bother. I also tried it for Duran's duel for his third class item since he needs to wait out area attacks anyway and there are a couple strength talents for it, but I'm not sure whether it was particularly effective. He was a liege that run so it seemed like it was going to be a slow grind toward inevitable victory regardless.
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May 11, 2020 00:39
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Don't know if any of you watch Vinny's streams, but he went up against Zehnoa last night and it was a hilarious trainwreck (timestamp at 24:16): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeThoKOiqoI&t=1456s
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May 11, 2020 00:40
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Fister Roboto posted:Do charge attacks actually remove armor? I was under the impression that armor just breaks after X amount of damage, regardless of the source. Same. That's backed up by that Duran thing that causes you do to 50% more damage to shields. Although I'll say that I've noticed absolutely no difference between when I had that and when I didn't. Having done the game twice over I feel a bit bad for Angela/Kevin/Reisz in that they're basically second fiddle in their own stories. Kevin/Charlotte is like 90% Charlotte and I felt poor Kevin got gently caress all out of it. Hell Kevin's dad hasn't even got a name! Both games I've got a bit bored of it when I got to the final areas as well. There's something about the ??? Seeds bit and not having another class to become in the actual game itself that kills a bit of my enthusiasm and the final bits do go on for a good while. Oh and the final Lil' Cactus is seriously underwhelming, but that might be because I don't super rate the class strikes (the enemies don't pause when you use them so they move out of the way loads) and because it's the end of the game when you finally get it. And I've mentioned it before but not being able to click through dialogue without it skipping big loving chunks of stuff is really annoying. Heath speaks so slowly but I clicked once and suddenly it's cut to Charlotte and I've lost a fuckload of dialogue. So annoying! It happened with the Masked Mage too. Taear fucked around with this message at 00:46 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 00:44
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Sacrificial Toast posted:Charge attacks are just for breaking armor off enemies pretty much. You also get 6% gauge in crystals, but you do a lot less damage than combos, so it doesn't seem worth it. Except power attacks also break armor and give off CS gauge so it's just a slower and weaker way of doing it while also making you slow and vulnerable.
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May 11, 2020 00:46
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Taear posted:Reisz does tonnes of damage and her perma-debuffs on every enemy are glorious. Definitely better than having to work out what items do what as well. There are 4 items in the game, chocolate, ??? seeds, cup of wishes, and Flammie drum. No other items exist
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May 11, 2020 01:07
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Phantasium posted:Except power attacks also break armor and give off CS gauge so it's just a slower and weaker way of doing it while also making you slow and vulnerable. Nah, just testing it, charge attacks still do it way more efficiently. The combos do almost no damage, so you're not accomplishing anything building up to the power attack, and it still takes more power attacks to do it than charge attacks, so you're wasting significantly more time.
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May 11, 2020 01:09
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I guess charge attacks could also be for when you've staggered a boss and don't have a CS available? On a related note, I really wish bosses had a stagger gauge, since that is clearly a thing.
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May 11, 2020 01:12
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Fister Roboto posted:Do charge attacks actually remove armor? I was under the impression that armor just breaks after X amount of damage, regardless of the source. Taear posted:Having done the game twice over I feel a bit bad for Angela/Kevin/Reisz in that they're basically second fiddle in their own stories. Kevin/Charlotte is like 90% Charlotte and I felt poor Kevin got gently caress all out of it. Hell Kevin's dad hasn't even got a name! Charlotte's also a bit over-weighted on plot time, considering the first visit to Wendel is kind of a giant flop for her narratively (unless you actually play as her.) Angela/Kevin provide the more 'active' of the antagonists for their stories and both have reason to face their Big Bads (although Kevin's is the weakest but there's plenty you can infer from him doing so.) The most balanced storyline is actually Riesz/Hawkeye. Their share of their story is pretty equal, all said and done. You could argue that Hawkeye is the more second fiddle of the two of them since Jessica gets resolved early enough, except Belladonna is his active antagonist and she's got the most presence of all of them 
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May 11, 2020 01:12
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Charger attacks break most armors in one. Regular power attacks take 4 or 5
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May 11, 2020 01:12
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John Wick of Dogs posted:There are 4 items in the game, chocolate, ??? seeds, cup of wishes, and Flammie drum. No other items exist You forgot the flute and the honey. And walnuts. Otherwise yes this is correct. EponymousMrYar posted:Nah you can do more damage than a charge attack and not remove the armor from enemies. It's proportionate to their HP/Defense (Kettle Kins had sturdy enough shields to require multiple Kevin charge attacks when I first fought them.) Angela and Kevin just don't seem to have loads of motivation. The final enemy in Angela's bit ties closest to Duran (and even Crimson Wizard has a shitload of Duran stuff too) and the final enemy in Kevin's bit is really for Charlotte. I'm not saying they haven't got any motivation at all, it just feels like Angela/Kevin get a lot less out of the end. They feel like second characters even though they were both my main characters. I guess with Reisz at least you spend a lot of time in Levante, you never even visit poor Navarl.
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May 11, 2020 01:20
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Taear posted:It's definitely still pick Kevin. Nah. Hawkeye is second only to Angela in power because he's a high power caster and high power casters dominate the remake. Ninja SP Boost one and two stacked together lets Ninja Master Hawkeye chain AoEs into class strikes all day long. Fire and Water Diversion plus are three hits each, which on a boss, is going to give him a ridiculous amount of CS gauge per cast. The worst character in the game is honestly, sadly, Riesz. She has no real noteworthy damage output, her support moves are largely unnecessary in a remake dominated by offensive firepower, she can easily be replaced by items. Riesz sucks, unambiguously. The only possible way someone could think Riesz does good damage is if they had mained her and no one else. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 01:27 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 01:25
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What is Angela's deal by the way? When she needs the hero King he's like "What the true when has a daughter? That explains everything" and she's like "what the hell are you talking about" and he's like "I'll tell you later, now isn't the time" but then this is never mentioned again as far as I can tell
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May 11, 2020 01:26
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Captain Oblivious posted:Nah. Hawkeye is second only to Angela in power because he's a high power caster and high power casters dominate the remake. Ninja SP Boost one and two stacked together lets Ninja Master Hawkeye chain AoEs into class strikes all day long. Fire and Water Diversion plus are three hits each, which on a boss, is going to give him a ridiculous amount of CS gauge per cast. I just don't get this. Melee is superior to casting other than against trash mobs and even then only a few spells. What use is AoE against nearly any boss? A few have extra bits to target but not many. Reisz does good damage and the debuffs go on every enemy, cast effectively instantly, cost barely any mana (so you don't need to worry about running out) and work on bosses too. And her damage is good. She outdamaged my Duran by loads although I'll admit he was a Liege. And her damage isn't TOO different from Kevin. Meanwhile Hawkeye is just there - no interesting buffs, no interesting spells. Casting was amazing in the original because when you cast it froze the enemy in place but in this it's just not close to as good. Yes your class makeup and which side (light/dark) you pick can make a difference in which bosses you find the hardest but I definitely feel I killed them a thousand times faster with Kevin than I ever did with Angela. Doesn't help that you have to stand still to cast and can easily be interrupted either! John Wick of Dogs posted:What is Angela's deal by the way? When she needs the hero King he's like "What the true when has a daughter? That explains everything" and she's like "what the hell are you talking about" and he's like "I'll tell you later, now isn't the time" but then this is never mentioned again as far as I can tell It feels a bit like it's implying she's Richard's daughter. It vaguely implies it in the postgame too.
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May 11, 2020 01:34
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John Wick of Dogs posted:What is Angela's deal by the way? When she needs the hero King he's like "What the true when has a daughter? That explains everything" and she's like "what the hell are you talking about" and he's like "I'll tell you later, now isn't the time" but then this is never mentioned again as far as I can tell AFAIK they literally never mention it directly again. It's a carryover from the original script The implication is sorta that King Richard and she had a tryst but it's really never elaborated on
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May 11, 2020 01:35
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Storyline wise it's weird that it gives you the idea Penda was destroyed ages and ages ago but Richard/Loki were there. So much for it being Ancient.
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May 11, 2020 01:36
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John Wick of Dogs posted:What is Angela's deal by the way? When she needs the hero King he's like "What the true when has a daughter? That explains everything" and she's like "what the hell are you talking about" and he's like "I'll tell you later, now isn't the time" but then this is never mentioned again as far as I can tell If you're on the Dragon Lord route, the Darkshine Knight during his fight says something like "Hm? Could you be Richard's...?"
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May 11, 2020 01:38
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Kevin's storyline is just a cliff notes John Wick.John Wick of Dogs posted:What is Angela's deal by the way? When she needs the hero King he's like "What the true when has a daughter? That explains everything" and she's like "what the hell are you talking about" and he's like "I'll tell you later, now isn't the time" but then this is never mentioned again as far as I can tell It also bugs the hell out of me they keep referring to her as the "true" queen when in context the "queen of wisdom" title made more sense. "True" as in honest makes sense too, but that's the google translate version of the word and not how people usually use it even in fake ye olde english talk.
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May 11, 2020 01:42
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Poque posted:Looking through Riesz options, Vanadis seems completely useless...like Starlancer is better in every way. Am I missing something? Starlancer's big thing is the perma buffs, but after a while you actually want to finish a fight quickly enough that you don't need to recast them. So I guess Vanadis could work out? unsure.
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May 11, 2020 01:43
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Translation wise I think going with Dark/light wasn't the best idea either since it kinda implies evil/good in English. Not a huge deal, but still. The fourth classes have some proper impressive descriptions considering how boring they are. Kevin's one kinda implies it mixes both the DD and DL classes together but you don't get any new abilities whatsoever! Same goes for Charlotte.
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May 11, 2020 01:45
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I love the horrifying implication of Kevin's storyline in that he did, in fact, bury his extremely alive dog in the ground.
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May 11, 2020 01:46
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Taear posted:Storyline wise it's weird that it gives you the idea Penda was destroyed ages and ages ago but Richard/Loki were there. So much for it being Ancient. In Pedan I believe someone says the Dragon Lord's targeting that town. I always assumed the place gets destroyed just before Richard/Loki win, 15-20 years is plenty of time for a jungle to make good ruins.
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May 11, 2020 01:53
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yook posted:It also bugs the hell out of me they keep referring to her as the "true" queen when in context the "queen of wisdom" title made more sense. "True" as in honest makes sense too, but that's the google translate version of the word and not how people usually use it even in fake ye olde english talk. I think in the 96 fan translation they called her the “Queen of Reason” which I really like, because then when she up and attacks Valsena (Forsena) out of nowhere everyone’s like, um, I thought she was the Queen of Reason? Wtf is this?
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May 11, 2020 01:58
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Fister Roboto posted:I love the horrifying implication of Kevin's storyline in that he did, in fact, bury his extremely alive dog in the ground. It's okay he's alive at the end. Edit: Also Angela is obvs Richard's daughter, making her crown princess of both countries and Duran will become the king of their new prosperous kingdom SpazmasterX fucked around with this message at 02:20 on May 11, 2020 |
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May 11, 2020 02:14
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