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Imagined posted:Bombadil aside. The first movie is also always my favorite because it sticks closest to the book and nails the tone shift from Hobbit 2: Electric Boogaloo to holy poo poo immortal ghosts are gonna eat our souls. It goes vastly VASTLY astray from the books It’s still awesome tho I agree
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euphronius posted:It goes vastly VASTLY astray from the books This and “sticks closest to the book” could both be true Tho idk if I would say that it is
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It’s interesting how Balin’s Tomb is the turning point both for the writing, but also for the text itself. Even after the Council where we learn more about how important the quest is, it’s really just a hobbit adventure. Even the wolf attack isn’t really presented as an existential threat. It’s only once we get to Balin’s Tomb that things really change. So it’s interesting that it’s also where Tolkien stalled for a long time. With regard to Fellowship, the oddest thing about the whole movie is that Frodo and Sam literally bump into Merry and Pippin in a field, who then join them on a year-long adventure immediately. I know they all get scared by the Nazgul and want to help, but you’ve gotta wonder what their families thought.
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May 13, 2020 03:52
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Pippin is a Took.
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webmeister posted:With regard to Fellowship, the oddest thing about the whole movie is that Frodo and Sam literally bump into Merry and Pippin in a field, who then join them on a year-long adventure immediately. I know they all get scared by the Nazgul and want to help, but you’ve gotta wonder what their families thought. Probably figured Gandalf had dragooned them into forced servitude again
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May 13, 2020 04:00
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skasion posted:This and “sticks closest to the book” could both be true I guess I should say that each of the other movies includes additions and new inventions that piss me off -- the elves showing up at Helms Deep, for ex. The character assassinations of Denethor and Faramir. Where Fellowship differs largely from the book is in leaving things out, which on the whole I'm more sympathetic to.
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May 13, 2020 05:37
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webmeister posted:It’s interesting how Balin’s Tomb is the turning point both for the writing, but also for the text itself. Even after the Council where we learn more about how important the quest is, it’s really just a hobbit adventure. Even the wolf attack isn’t really presented as an existential threat. It’s only once we get to Balin’s Tomb that things really change. I dunno, if we have to pick a moment when that changes, I think I prefer Weathertop. Leading up to it, you've got the growing hardships, the first hints of really adverse terrain, Sam suddenly reciting poetry about Gil-galad out of nowhere, Strider going into great detail about how the Nazgul perceive the world, the tale of Tinuviel, the first hints of Morgoth and the Silmarils, the first mention of Númenor by that name. Then the first real physical fight comes in when the Nazgul attack, and it goes about as well as the attackers can hope for, and one of our heroes suffers a lasting consequence for the first time. Strider goes for athelas and finds it. And then they move on, they start picking up more companions and allies, and the hope of more assistance to come. (In the middle of which, Sam gives more poetry and we get a wonderful little line that I've only just noticed and now I can't get over how great it is.) quote:'Where did you come by that, Sam?’ asked Pippin. ‘I’ve never heard those words before.’ You're right there, Mr Frodo!
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https://twitter.com/AlexArrelia/status/1260280698390425605?s=20
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Imagined posted:I guess I should say that each of the other movies includes additions and new inventions that piss me off -- the elves showing up at Helms Deep, for ex. The character assassinations of Denethor and Faramir. Where Fellowship differs largely from the book is in leaving things out, which on the whole I'm more sympathetic to. And Gimli.
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May 13, 2020 10:34
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This is amazing.  Men and once-men, tag yourself. I was definitely a Faramir.
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May 13, 2020 11:16
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Oh this is just excellent. Especially that very expressive Faramir gif. e: I think I was a Faramir-Frodo-combo e:e: only not attractive Tree Bucket fucked around with this message at 11:38 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 11:16
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Definitely a Boromir 
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May 13, 2020 11:25
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I'm a god drat Éomer
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May 13, 2020 11:55
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Oh come on, Gimli's not a football guy, he's the sensitive artistic type. YaketySass fucked around with this message at 12:10 on May 13, 2020 |
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May 13, 2020 12:03
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Pretty sure I'm a Frodo
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May 13, 2020 12:15
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I'm a complete Faramir
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May 13, 2020 12:22
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Interesting exercise to think about how much of these are based on exclusively movie characterizations, and whether that's because they differ from the book characterization or the book didn't really have much of one
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May 13, 2020 13:00
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Data Graham posted:Interesting exercise to think about how much of these are based on exclusively movie characterizations, and whether that's because they differ from the book characterization or the book didn't really have much of one Gonna really nerd the gently caress out here, hold on tight: One reason it works is that the movie is very clearly cast with a female gaze. All the men are hunky beautiful bois you can easily sexualize Yes, even Ian McKellen, who I have on good authority packs absolutely huge dong (a friend saw him do a nude scene on Broadway) This sort of thought exercise isn't possible with the bare text because Tolkien did not sexualize his characters to anything like the same extent
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Gonna really nerd the gently caress out here, hold on tight: Gandalf means 'wand-elf'. From https://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wands.htm A typical wand is 6 inches to 12 inches long and about ¼ inch thick, and often weighs no more than 1 ounce. Most wands are wood, but some are bone. Yeah, the text doesn't support this. Though tbf, it's rather long.
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May 13, 2020 13:20
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ChubbyChecker posted:Gandalf means 'wand-elf'. 6 inches is rather long? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
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Don’t even be talking about specific inch lengths and composition and rigidity of wands in this thread
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When I watched the first Hobbit movie I was pretty generally pleased because it felt like a Hobbit that tied in more closely to the Lord of the Rings, which I think is something Tolkien himself began writing but stopped after being advised that, even though it was very good, it was losing the spirit of the Hobbit in some ways. The second and third movies though just had too many issues, especially the second, with pacing and dragging.
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Data Graham posted:Don’t even be talking about specific inch lengths and composition and rigidity of wands in this thread Quite right too. I mean, Gandalf doesn't even have a wand, you dirty-minded troglodytes  He has a proud, famous staff, thank you so very much 
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Trin Tragula posted:(In the middle of which, Sam gives more poetry and we get a wonderful little line that I've only just noticed and now I can't get over how great it is.) This troll song that Sam sings OWNS in the audiobook. Sounds like an Irish drinking song. Also, I laughed out loud today in the car while listening....most chapters are between 35 and 55 minutes in length. And the Council of Elrond clocks in at.....1 hr 45 min! Gandalf’s story about being captured by Saruman goes on for 20 minutes.
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May 13, 2020 20:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Pretty sure I'm a Frodo I'm pretty sure we're all Fatty Bolgers. Not cool enough for the adventure.
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Fatty gets skinny later !!!
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May 15, 2020 14:26
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Somehow I fell down a rabbit hole into ICE's Middle Earth Role-Playing this weekend, and silly though it's been, I am enjoying this Middle-Earth Extended Universe stuff they have got going on. I got dragged into it by going back and marveling at how amazing Fenlon's maps are. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9qwm-rNX9YEX0hUYkZDdzY1Tjg
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dwarf74 posted:Somehow I fell down a rabbit hole into ICE's Middle Earth Role-Playing this weekend, and silly though it's been, I am enjoying this Middle-Earth Extended Universe stuff they have got going on. now that's a silly game paranoia level deathrates for pcs
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Hahah that map is absurd
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MERP was based on a system called Rolemaster. A new version is coming out soonish (been in development the last 5 years). It's a fun system if you're into detailed rules and RPGs.
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May 19, 2020 00:57
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ChubbyChecker posted:now that's a silly game
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"Legolas probably achieved least of the Nine Walker" drat, Tolkien with the burns. I should reread the books at some point. Unfinished tales is quite good, even though I pretty much ignored some geographic descriptions or movements. Like, the borders of that forest kingdom, who even has the time to learn all the different versions and understand the inconsitencies.
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What do you think Gandalf and Bombadil talk about at the end of ROTK. Wizard poo poo? Gandalf says Bombadil wouldn't give a poo poo about anything they did except maybe the ents.
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May 22, 2020 01:11
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They probably sang songs about nature op
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Imagined posted:What do you think Gandalf and Bombadil talk about at the end of ROTK. Wizard poo poo? Gandalf says Bombadil wouldn't give a poo poo about anything they did except maybe the ents. Bombadil has the dankest of all Pipe Weed. Gandalf was tripping for literal years.
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Imagined posted:What do you think Gandalf and Bombadil talk about at the end of ROTK. Wizard poo poo? Gandalf says Bombadil wouldn't give a poo poo about anything they did except maybe the ents. Gandalf: So, Sauron's dead. Tom: So I heard. Gandalf: So... uh, I saw a dung beetle on the way back north. Tom: Let me tell you about those dung beetles...
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i dont like adaptations of the books that make the world seem too populated, a big part of what makes the books enjoyable to me is that theyre wandering a basically abandoned wilderness all the way up to gondor. the impression you get from the books is that the shire and bree are tiny oases and that the rest of eriador is just barrow downs and abandoned ruins and swamps with maybe a few ranger camps or something. videogames based on the books always do this because it's hard to make a game without NPC's i guess this is one thing the movies actually did get mostly right
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May 22, 2020 09:41
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Brought to you by the New Zealand Tourism Board.
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PMush Perfect posted:Brought to you by the New Zealand Tourism Board. i still think they shouldve been filmed in scotland or iceland though, the landscape i picture reading the books is primordial-european, new zealand is a bit too rocky and grand
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Imagined posted:What do you think Gandalf and Bombadil talk about at the end of ROTK. Wizard poo poo? Gandalf says Bombadil wouldn't give a poo poo about anything they did except maybe the ents.
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