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RBA Starblade posted:I think we're overstating how much the average person actually cares Uh ok, who's talking about the average person? I know 300 made a lot of money, but it's nothing compared to the big comic book movies of today. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 5, 2020 |
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KVeezy3 posted:Uh ok, who's talking about the average person? I know 300 made a lot of money, but it's nothing compared to the big comic book movies of today. quote:I don't think it can be overstated how much liberals believe 300 rebirthed white nationalism. Pretty wide net there. Most people, liberal or conservative, don't really give a poo poo, I think.
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RBA Starblade posted:Pretty wide net there. Most people, liberal or conservative, don't really give a poo poo, I think. There is a decent chunk of people who are politically obsessed but also politically illiterate that have concluded that white nationalism suddenly leapt into existence fairly recently. It's the same sort of people who also say 'vote blue no matter who' and think harry potter is a progressive work. They absolutely exist.
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Snowman_McK posted:There is a decent chunk of people who are politically obsessed but also politically illiterate that have concluded that white nationalism suddenly leapt into existence fairly recently. It's the same sort of people who also say 'vote blue no matter who' and think harry potter is a progressive work. They absolutely exist. I think conflating that with "liberals" as a whole though is pretty disingenuous, like equating "Bernie Bro" to "socialist" RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 05:06 on May 5, 2020 |
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RBA Starblade posted:I think conflating that with "liberals" as a whole though is pretty disingenuous, like equating "Bernie Bro" to "socialist" I'm conflating liberals "as a whole", with liberalism as a worldview, which extends to a fetishization of culture objects. Are we doing Identity politics with ideology now?
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KVeezy3 posted:I'm conflating liberals "as a whole", with liberalism as a worldview, which extends to a fetishization of culture objects. Are we doing Identity politics with ideology now? Well, enjoy getting lumped in with the chuds then, I suppose, since everyone's doing that sort of thing now.
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RBA Starblade posted:Well, enjoy getting lumped in with the chuds then, I suppose, since everyone's doing that sort of thing now. I'm honored to be a part of chud nation with Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr.
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KVeezy3 posted:I'm honored to be a part of chud nation with Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Did they have a lot to say about the Spartans' workout regimen
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I don't believe either of them wrote anything about physical fitness, but MLK was a Hegel scholar, and Malcolm did read him on the side, so through the transitive property: both are body-fascists.
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KVeezy3 posted:I don't believe either of them wrote anything about physical fitness, but MLK was a Hegel scholar, and Malcolm did read him on the side, so through the transitive property: both are body-fascists. I love this thread
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RBA Starblade posted:Well, enjoy getting lumped in with the chuds then, I suppose, since everyone's doing that sort of thing now. Don't agree with me? Must be a chud! 
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I've said it before but it's an attempt to ascribe morality to art. If you like X, it's a sign that you are a moral degenerate. You can be written off, which is what so much discourse is about now.
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i know it's in the realm of alot of hacky jokes but i genuinely do feel like fandom is slowly replacing religion in the increasingly secular west. people still need a sense of community and morality and in-groups/out-groups and it's harder for religion to provide that
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I really do appreciate the Man of Steel Half-Decade Hate for giving me insights into how people process their experiences. I know that seems insanely hacky and stupid, but watching it evolve in real time and experiencing people whine about poo poo that literally wasn't in the film was so instructive.
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Are you referring to something generically or is the "Half Decade Hate" like an actual essay or video or something?
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My own experiences, nothing official. In the years between Man of Steel and BvS I had a Google home screen. Google "knew" I was interested in Man of Steel, and so literally every day served me up a new link to some godawful essay or video about how it got Superman wrong and how bad Snyder was and how lovely the movie was and how it was a cinematic abortion or somesuch nonsense. Day after day after day. It thought that this was the kind of thing I was interested in, and no matter how many times i clicked "not interested" it would just serve me up another one the next day (or later that day, sometimes). This literally continued for about 4 months until I manually went into my Google account settings and told them that I wasn't interested in Man of Steel, just to make it stop. I waited that long because at some point I thought the tide would have to ebb. It didn't. Pretty sure this probably went on for years - just some new piece of invective because the same core group of people wanted their faith affirmed daily.
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I really wish Google was capable of nuance. After reading the bigass Current Events article on Jordan Peterson a year ago, it thinks I'm "interested" in Jordan Peterson and pushed me pro-Jorp poo poo in my feed until I told it I wasn't interested.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I really wish Google was capable of nuance. After reading the bigass Current Events article on Jordan Peterson a year ago, it thinks I'm "interested" in Jordan Peterson and pushed me pro-Jorp poo poo in my feed until I told it I wasn't interested. ....this also happened to me. Edit: Superman shares a birthday with Karl Marx because of course he does. https://vero.co/zacksnyder/4f-Nv3BkqSRzPBNwWbZb8tBZ Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 22:27 on May 5, 2020 |
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Detective No. 27 posted:I really wish Google was capable of nuance. After reading the bigass Current Events article on Jordan Peterson a year ago, it thinks I'm "interested" in Jordan Peterson and pushed me pro-Jorp poo poo in my feed until I told it I wasn't interested. Pro-Jordan Peterson articles are painful, but a Google capable of nuance is terrifying.
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KVeezy3 posted:Pro-Jordan Peterson articles are painful, but a Google capable of nuance is terrifying. What could go wrong? 
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I liked I Am Mother just for the simple fact that it had the balls to say "any impartial AI observer of sufficient intelligence would wipe out current human society the second it had the means to do so" There was no malice and very little self-preservation either. I liked that.
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https://twitter.com/MaggieMaeFish/status/1260641575928922112 You'd think this would have been bigger news at the release of the film. Edit: This is the clip where these people extrapolate that point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYNwwPQH4k 1 second of the intro of the entire film. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 20:10 on May 13, 2020 |
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Jimbot posted:https://twitter.com/MaggieMaeFish/status/1260641575928922112 
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Its extremely funny how Zack being one of the very few 21st century genre directors to NOT be extremely didactic in his theming has led to people projecting all sorts of gloriously insane bullshit on to his films.
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What's the part they're referring to where he also blames it on gay sex?
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Here's my two hour video essay on how Dawn of the Dead is Islamophobic based off of 1 or two seconds of the films intro. But I won't ever entertain the fact that Man of Steel deconstructs the superhero genre because it shows its (overly)long climatic battle as terrible and destructive. He just loves the violence and hates non-whites and the LGBTQ community and women andLesterGroans posted:What's the part they're referring to where he also blames it on gay sex? Same. I'll be honest, I only saw Dawn once a long time ago and had no desire to watch it again. That's mostly because I don't like zombie films in general. Shaun of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead are the only ones I really took a liking to.
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It's funny because I've seen a really good essay from a Muslim immigrant that said Man of Steel felt like a really good metaphor for his immigrant experience and made him empathise with Superman more than any previous depiction. Edit: here it was https://geeksofcolor.co/2017/08/17/the-ultimate-immigrant-story-zack-snyders-superman/ John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 20:32 on May 13, 2020 |
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Also, showing people praying during the intro of a zombie apocalypse film seems like pretty standard fare. Only seems bad if you think Islamic prayer is inherently ominous??
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Sarah Polley does have a story about Zack showing up to set with a poster of his face photoshopped on a soldier stepping on Saddam Hussein's neck, so him falling for some jingoism doesn't surprise me. Though I don't think you can craft an entire narrative that Islam is to blame for zombies from a one second clip and that Sarah Polley story.
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LesterGroans posted:Also, showing people praying during the intro of a zombie apocalypse film seems like pretty standard fare. Only seems bad if you think Islamic prayer is inherently ominous?? Her point is likely to derive from the order of events. We see them praying before any other imagery. The first glimpse of the movie is them praying then shots of violence and unrest all follow. John Wick of Dogs posted:It's funny because I've seen a really good essay from a Muslim immigrant that said Man of Steel felt like a really good metaphor for his immigrant experience and made him empathise with Superman more than any previous depiction. Can you dig it up? I think I remember it but would like to read it again
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To be fair, I wouldn't blame the entirety of Islam wishing a zombie plague upon the world given the history, especially after 9/11, of US intervention and imperialism in the region. Or maybe Dawn of the Dead remake is about American jingoism and the survivors are the people who were constantly under attack for not buying into the Bush Administration's and the Media's call to killing every brown person on the face of the planet.
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LesterGroans posted:What's the part they're referring to where he also blames it on gay sex? There’s a scene with an evangelical priest on a tv (played by ken foree) who says the dead are rising because the world is too liberal and does the “when there’s no more room in hell” homage. He’s clearly meant to portray the very real response hardcore fundies would be doing, but I guess just showing how lovely people respond automatically means it’s an endorsement of that ideology. E: the Muslim shot is juxtaposed with American riot footage and armed tactical responses from American troops, so that too was meant to show the jingoistic fervor that Americans would no doubt glom onto, which is loving hilariously relevant considering what’s going on right now among fundamentalists and their rhetoric in regards to China. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 20:37 on May 13, 2020 |
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MacheteZombie posted:Her point is likely to derive from the order of events. We see them praying before any other imagery. The first glimpse of the movie is them praying then shots of violence and unrest all follow. For sure, just seems like a pretty big stretch to call that read "not-so-subtle". If I remember the movie correctly, the credits come after the opening with Polley's husband/boyfriend/whatever attacking her and things going to poo poo. So to me it just reads as religious folks reacting to some crazy poo poo, especially since it then transitions right to a press conference dealing with what's going on that feels like it would be concurrent with the Sarah Polley stuff. So, sure, I can kinda see how someone could read the quick prayer clip as "the beginning" if you just watch the opening credits, but in the film proper I don't think the credits are showing us anything involving the actual beginning of the outbreak.
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LesterGroans posted:For sure, just seems like a pretty big stretch to call that read "not-so-subtle". If I remember the movie correctly, the credits come after the opening with Polley's husband/boyfriend/whatever attacking her and things going to poo poo. So to me it just reads as religious folks reacting to some crazy poo poo, especially since it then transitions right to a press conference dealing with what's going on that feels like it would be concurrent with the Sarah Polley stuff. I completely forgot that the Sarah Polley scene happens before the opening credits. And even if it didn't, I agree with you that building a whole thesis around it is a big stretch. ruddiger posted:There’s a scene with an evangelical priest on a tv (played by ken foree) who says the dead are rising because the world is too liberal and does the “when there’s no more room in hell” homage. He’s clearly meant to portray the very real response hardcore fundies would be doing, but I guess just showing how lovely people respond automatically means it’s an endorsement of that ideology. Yeah if that's the only scene with reference to the evilness of the gays I don't know how you could interpret it any other way than your take.
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MacheteZombie posted:I completely forgot that the Sarah Polley scene happens before the opening credits. And even if it didn't, I agree with you that building a whole thesis around it is a big stretch. I may be wrong, it's been a while since I've seen it, but I'm pretty sure it does.
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https://twitter.com/MaggieMaeFish/status/1260655913863507968 lmao, ok. [edit] Lol. https://twitter.com/KanzlerImaginos/status/1260649480774225920 [edit 2] MacheteZombie posted:Yeah if that's the only scene with reference to the evilness of the gays I don't know how you could interpret it any other way than your take. They're able to interpret it that way because they're making a multi-part video essay series on Snyder: https://twitter.com/MaggieMaeFish/status/1260644324393414656 teagone fucked around with this message at 21:06 on May 13, 2020 |
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It’s kinda funny about the homosexual thing since there’s literally a character in the film portrayed as wonderful person who is a gay atheist who plays the organ for a church lmao
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