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Chairman Capone posted:How much of those books were actually Brian Herbert? I always figured it was essentially KJA writing them with Herbert's name on them as the cost of KJA being allowed to write in the universe. the only thing i know about kevin j anderson is that i once read someone describing him as the secular science fiction counterpart to evangelical genre author jerry b jenkins, the guy behind "left behind"
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PeterWeller posted:Robots being the ultimate enemy is hinted at by Siona's spice vision in God Emperor. yeah....the robots are not the problem so much as the shoddy worldbuilding, terrible characterization, and incomprehensible plot.
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Zurui posted:yeah....the robots are not the problem so much as the shoddy worldbuilding, terrible characterization, and incomprehensible plot. Yeah, I agree.
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PeterWeller posted:Robots being the ultimate enemy is hinted at by Siona's spice vision in God Emperor. Doesn't mean they conquered us in a generic robot war.
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Yeah, sorry if I gave the impression that I thought the nonsense in Hunters and Sandworms was Frank's idea. I was just pointing out that he hinted towards something with robots.
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the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking' not skynet
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Horizon Burning posted:the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking' not skynet Nah, I think Quinn misses the mark there. Leto II takes Siona out into his desert to show her that the Golden Path is necessary for human survival, that humanity will go extinct without it, not that humanity will fall back under the sway of 'machine thinking', a phrase that is never uttered during that journey. Siona then gets a vision of seeking machines hunting down the last members of humanity who have no escape anywhere.
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PeterWeller posted:Nah, I think Quinn misses the mark there. Leto II takes Siona out into his desert to show her that the Golden Path is necessary for human survival, that humanity will go extinct without it, not that humanity will fall back under the sway of 'machine thinking', a phrase that is never uttered during that journey. Siona then gets a vision of seeking machines hunting down the last members of humanity who have no escape anywhere. except that leto 2 also says that by making siona immune to prescience and spreading her anti-prescient genes or whatever, it prevents someone (pretty sure he names the ixians) from creating the seeking machines that will wipe out humanity. it's not the robots that are the true enemy, but the people who would create them. machine thinking is said to be what allowed people to create machines that enslaved other humans, killing them is just another step. the whole point is that 'machine thinking' allows humans to do things without thinking about doing it. like, say, creating self-replicating prescient murderbots. but again, not a skynet robot overlord scenario. leto 2 even calls machine thinking "the real danger." it's like you only read that one bit of the first four novels lol edit: leto 2 also says that without his efforts, the end of humanity would've already happened. without his efforts, some guy on ix would've been like, hey, what if we made this thing? i really, really doubt it was as simple as 'there are bad robots out there and they will come for us' like the loving reapers Horizon Burning fucked around with this message at 11:48 on May 4, 2020 |
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Clipperton posted:https://twitter.com/DuneAuthor/status/1249741945653481472 Lol gently caress Brian Herbert
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Horizon Burning posted:except that leto 2 also says that by making siona immune to prescience and spreading her anti-prescient genes or whatever, it prevents someone (pretty sure he names the ixians) from creating the seeking machines that will wipe out humanity. it's not the robots that are the true enemy, but the people who would create them. machine thinking is said to be what allowed people to create machines that enslaved other humans, killing them is just another step. the whole point is that 'machine thinking' allows humans to do things without thinking about doing it. like, say, creating self-replicating prescient murderbots. but again, not a skynet robot overlord scenario. leto 2 even calls machine thinking "the real danger." Yeah, of course the seeker robots from Siona's vision have to be made by someone. Where did you get the idea I was talking about the Reapers? But the people who make them aren't the true enemy in Siona's vision. Those people are long gone because the robots in the vision are in the process of exterminating all of humanity. Siona's gene doesn't prevent the invention of seeking machines: "Do not fear the Ixians... They can make the machines, but they can no longer make arafel," Leto II tells Siona and Duncan before he dissolves. People are free to do and invent whatever their hearts' desire in the Scattering. Siona's gene protects her descendants from being found by prescience or seeking machines. So no matter what is done or invented in the Scattering, there will always be at least one portion of humanity who can hide from it. Leto's Peace has already prevented humanity's extinction from a number of possible threats. The threat that Siona sees in her vision, the threat that would bring arafel, "the Cloud Judgment of Holy Darkness at the End of the Universe", and thus the ultimate threat to humanity, is seeking machines exterminating humans. The whole point isn't that machine thinking leads people to do things without thinking about their consequences. It's not "oopsies, we created murderbots." The point of machine thinking is that it's an abdication of thought and agency. It's "what does the computer say we should do?" You said, "the robots were implied to be tools of those who believed in 'machine thinking'". But machine thinking isn't some belief system that people adhere to. It's a mindset that people succumb to. There are no machine thinking mastermind behind the murderbots in the vision because people who have succumbed to machine thinking no longer use enough of their own minds to be masters of anything. But more importantly, Siona's vision showing her why she must survive the desert isn't people inventing or unleashing seeker robots; it's the seeker robots themselves. Why, when, and how they are created is immaterial to the threat they pose to humanity.
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Exactly. In Dune the whole revolt against thinking machines is less fear of Terminators/Skynet and more WALL-E where humans become fully dependent.
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MonsieurChoc posted:It's a bad movie but I have a soft spot for Dead or Alive because of the dad trying to be supportive of his daugther while beating the crap out of her. Agreed on this. It's definitely got some variant of the Mortal Kombat energy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNrKqxZuMDo
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I just went back and watched one of my favorite Villeneuve scenes, the border crossing sequence from Sicario. It's amazing what he does with tension in that scene, and it's a good 15 minutes or so with very little dialogue. I'm stoked that he's directing the Sisterhood pilot too, assuming that's still a go with productions halted everywhere.
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Bonk posted:I just went back and watched one of my favorite Villeneuve scenes, the border crossing sequence from Sicario. It's amazing what he does with tension in that scene, and it's a good 15 minutes or so with very little dialogue. Have you seen Incendies? There’s a scene in there featuring a bus that is even more tense and well executed than that border crossing.
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Getting near the end of Heretics and thought it had been pretty much on par for everything else, but just got to the "how many forms???" sex-nunnery and Miles Super-Teg, which is interesting just because its a character actually off on an adventure that isn't a pre-ordained mystical experience. Except it is because he's just evolved and everyone he meets is a secret agent working on his side. Or is he still under the t-probe? Let's find out! If anything I was sad the Tleilaxu got one chapter establishing them as a major old power and then like everything else they're quickly put in their place.
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I mean, it makes sense influence-wise, but that makes me think of this from Phantom Menace.
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spanky the dolphin posted:
non binary? the lost opportunity... https://www.tor.com/2020/04/16/dunes-paul-atreides-should-be-non-binary/
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I've seen that galaxy brain suggestion for a 50 year old work of fiction to be revised to fit modern gender ideas and the only redeeming feature is that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Also it doesn't engage at all with Leto II which like, if you want to talk about how Dune doesn't have transgender or agender characters that is a huge oversight. Or Alia, come to think of it. Also I get the sense that Fenring is intersex and living as a man with a wife in a happy relationship, but Herbert mercifully doesn't feel the need to explain what he's got between his legs. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 12, 2020 |
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For that kind of stuff you want Jodo with the Imperoratriz and the Perfect Androgyne. Or maybe you don't because it trnasofrms something normal into something mystical.
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spanky the dolphin posted:
I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I assume this is the bit where the spice miner gets eaten? Yeah that's what it looks like to me, like when they drop in to evacuate the crew.
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When I was a little kid looking through my dad's sci-fi books, I always assumed that cover wasn't literal. Now that I'm reading the entire series... hahaha...
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Crossquoting from the superior dunc threaddrunkill posted:a much clearer look.
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drunkill posted:Crossquoting from the superior dunc thread I wonder if Finn knows that Poe is just lending out his shirt to anyone.  
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drunkill posted:Crossquoting from the superior dunc thread There’s another thread?
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Jewmanji posted:There’s another thread? I don't recommend anyone read the other thread It tastes of rear end ...and dirt.
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This is the Golden Thread. After 10,000 years of my perfect posting the goons will log off and go outside.
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Put your right post into the other thread.
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Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device.
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I cannot imagine 80's Hollywood being able to choreograph or convincingly sell military-supremacy-through-desert-woo-knife-fighting.
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Kingtheninja posted:Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device.
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Paolomania posted:I cannot imagine 80's Hollywood being able to choreograph or convincingly sell military-supremacy-through-desert-woo-knife-fighting. Now I'm imagining a Dune starring Steven Seagal as Paul.
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Kingtheninja posted:Just finished the book last night, and I'm slowly going over the lynch movie (haven't watched in maybe 15 years). What the hell is this voice activated laser thing? I don't remember anything like that in the book and it seems jarringly wacky to come up with that kind of device. To be honest, the biggest change from the book is that there is very little politics in it which is impressive given that Dune is about 75% politics.
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I will say I think my favorite shot in the movie is Patrick Stewart bravely escorting the house pug away in what appears to be a baby Bjorn.
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Kingtheninja posted:I will say I think my favorite shot in the movie is Patrick Stewart bravely escorting the house pug away in what appears to be a baby Bjorn. The movie has a lot of gold in it.
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