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PHIZ KALIFA posted:we've already got the totalitarian part down, so why not? how could it possibly make things worse? Because you're arguing the exact opposite. You're saying that instead of using rule of law you should use some sort of subjective "Public Good" to throw people in jail. Take a wild guess as to who powerful people will target as against the public good. "We jailed him indefinitely for the good of the state" is like the rallying cry of the tyrant.
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Intent is proved all the time it’s not really hard unless you are being purposely difficult or are a stupid brainwashed juror blinded by racism
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Lockback posted:Because you're arguing the exact opposite. You're saying that instead of using rule of law you should use some sort of subjective "Public Good" to throw people in jail. Take a wild guess as to who powerful people will target as against the public good. i'm yawning and making a j/o motion at this post. if you're just going to rail against what you imagine i'm saying i don't see any reason to lend your posts any more credence than Metapod's. euphronius posted:Intent is proved all the time it’s not really hard unless you are being purposely difficult or are a stupid brainwashed juror blinded by racism also, since metapod said something is difficult we now know, scientifically, that it was never difficult and cannot possibly ever become so.
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euphronius posted:Intent is proved all the time it’s not really hard unless you are being purposely difficult or are a stupid brainwashed juror blinded by racism How do you prove someone on cable news spouting bullshit is intending to actually harm people instead of what they honestly believe. I mean how do you even prove what they say is actually harming people.
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Adun posted:How do you prove someone on cable news spouting bullshit is intending to actually harm people instead of what they honestly believe. I mean how do you even prove what they say is actually harming people. yeah like, reality isn't even real, maaaaaaaaaaaaan. we're all a computer hallucination inside a electronic sheep's daydream. 
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We had a TV doctor selling snake oil to masses that received no consequences despite being called to congress over it because they couldn't prove he didn't believe in the products he was selling. Intent is a hard thing to prove
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:yeah like, reality isn't even real, maaaaaaaaaaaaan. we're all a computer hallucination inside a electronic sheep's daydream. Good to know teenagers are still reading Philip K Dick
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May 15, 2020 15:41
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MourningView posted:He's the main draw for the biggest sports podcast in the country, he could go just about anywhere or do his own thing if he really wanted to. He's at barstool because he wants to be at barstool, I don't get how people are still making excuses for him. Getting people to go "well sure the site does some bad things but at least they have this" is exactly why he's there, and his whole gimmick makes it easier for them to hide all the gross stuff behind the "it's just jokes" defense This but also his gimmick sucks
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sorry to interrupt LF but apparently Dana White had some words for Kevin Draper (formerly of Deadspin!)'s piece on the UFC not following their own covid 19 protocols. https://twitter.com/MMAjunkie/status/1260814098968842240
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MourningView posted:He's the main draw for the biggest sports podcast in the country, he could go just about anywhere or do his own thing if he really wanted to. I think that’s kind of hard to argue in a time where even guys like Drew Magary and Spencer Hall can’t keep steady work.
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May 15, 2020 16:44
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He’s in a different stratosphere than those guys, and people actually pay for podcasters these days
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General Dog posted:I think that’s kind of hard to argue in a time where even guys like Drew Magary and Spencer Hall can’t keep steady work. drew magary is doing just fine and spencer hall was cut by an organization who didn't understand the product they had and the value it brought in; i'm sure if spencer hall wanted a job writing about college football under someone else's masthead he could get one tomorrow
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morestuff posted:He’s in a different stratosphere than those guys, and people actually pay for podcasters these days Yeah and Drew is writing at like ten different places and just had another novel published so he seems like he's probably fine.
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MourningView posted:Yeah and Drew is writing at like ten different places and just had another novel published so he seems like he's probably fine. Speaking of which it's just $8 on Kindle
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I do think PFT is given more creative freedom at Barstool than anywhere else, or at least creative freedom for the money he makes. That doesn't excuse him staying connected to that place but his thing would get absolutely ruined a lot of places.
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Adun posted:How do you prove someone on cable news spouting bullshit is intending to actually harm people instead of what they honestly believe. I mean how do you even prove what they say is actually harming people. You get evidence and make an argument. I feel like tho the correct response to you is what I already posted
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I was talking to someone about newspapers the other day, and it kinda got me thinking - has there ever been a columnist/journalist/local sports personality that has made the jump to a front office or coaching job? It seems like some more stats focused writers have gotten gigs with teams, but thinking back to the traditional columnist or radio host have their been any? I'm not sure if Matt Millen counts because gently caress Matt Millen and also because he was a former player and not just a sports caster. I vaguely remember hearing that Bill Simmons was up for the Timberwolves job at some point, and I would like to think some NHL owner in the 60s or 70s after getting criticized for a while said "You do it then jackass", but sort of drawing a blank otherwise. Slight caveat here is keeping it to North America as I've heard stories in Brazil and Italy of journalists being named soccer managers.
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dadjokes posted:I was talking to someone about newspapers the other day, and it kinda got me thinking - has there ever been a columnist/journalist/local sports personality that has made the jump to a front office or coaching job? It seems like some more stats focused writers have gotten gigs with teams, but thinking back to the traditional columnist or radio host have their been any? I'm not sure if Matt Millen counts because gently caress Matt Millen and also because he was a former player and not just a sports caster. John Hollinger did it with the Grizzlies, along with several other stats-based NBA guys that found scouting and analytics roles
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Simmons wasn't actually up for the Timberwolves job. He started campaigning for it in his column as a joke, somehow talked himself into the idea that he should really be a candidate despite absolutely no professional basketball experience of any kind, and then got legitimately mad when he didn't get it while still trying to play it all off as a joke. Though speaking of Minnesota, Sid Hartman, who has been a columnist for the Minneapolis Star Trib for like 80 years, was at one point also the GM for the Minneapolis Lakers. MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 15, 2020 |
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One of the baseball prospectus guys became a major part of the Astros’ scouting department
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morestuff posted:John Hollinger did it with the Grizzlies, along with several other stats-based NBA guys that found scouting and analytics roles I think almost all the original Stepein guys have parlayed that into actual NBA scouting jobs at one point or another. You can always tell when they get hired because they go completely silent on Twitter.
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Bill James also worked as a consultant with the Red Sox for a decade.
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Mike Mayock did not get the GM job with the Raiders on the strength of his nine game career in the NFL.
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I know he's probably best known for his journalism but Magic Johnson worked for the Lakers a few times.
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BWV posted:I know he's probably best known for his journalism but Magic Johnson worked for the Lakers a few times. dammit i wanted to make this joke
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Jerry Coleman went from the broadcast booth to managing the San Diego Padres in 1980, and then back to the broadcasting booth in 1981. Not a pure journalist/broadcaster, though - he'd been an all-star for the Yankees in the 1950s.
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the Bill Simmons Timberwolves would have been the funniest NBA calamity in decades.
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R.D. Mangles posted:the Bill Simmons Timberwolves would have been the funniest NBA calamity in decades. everyone would’ve gotten a chuckle out of him calling wesley johnson “wesley johnson’s expiring contract” to his face
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The more stats focused writers get in with some frequency and that makes a ton of sense, and I knew that it happens with more regularity. I just specifically remember how much Mitch Album seemed to position himself as the be all know all of sports in Detroit, and how all the teams wanted to know his opinion/get his blessing before making a move. I get the self aggrandizing is off the charts with him and I would think that its probably similar for writers of his stature and time frame. At first I was thinking it was odd that it doesn't happen more considering the contact and crossover in a relatively small sphere, but its probably not that different from thinking why aren't people clamoring for the NYT editorial board to run for political office/department appointments. And no one but people who are on the NYT editorial board would ever think thats a good idea. Simmons being a GM would just be further conformation of hell world, but the idea that at every away game on the video screen they played the billionaires should pay for their own loving stadium clip would almost be worth it.
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Tonnes of NHL analytics guys got head office jobs, but I don't know if they were journalists per se since most of them were bloggers or ran their own stats analysis sites.
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R.D. Mangles posted:the Bill Simmons Timberwolves would have been the funniest NBA calamity in decades. Simmons couldn't have been that much worse than the David Kahn era Kahn was really bad
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dadjokes posted:At first I was thinking it was odd that it doesn't happen more considering the contact and crossover in a relatively small sphere, but its probably not that different from thinking why aren't people clamoring for the NYT editorial board to run for political office/department appointments. And no one but people who are on the NYT editorial board would ever think thats a good idea. the NYT doesn't hold offices directly but it's plumb foolishness to pretend that they aren't in the position to define acceptable and unacceptable political action. They're kingmakers to a huge degree. likewise, sports writers often find themselves as tentpoles and tastemakers for the sports fandom in a way that teams often coordinate backstage. Bringing them into the fold proper diminishes their sway in the fandom, so instead they just coincidentally find their mailbox stuffed with swag and their e-mails answered by higher ups and everyone pretends this doesn't make their writing #sponcon edit- or so i would imagine it works. edit edit- i'm not naming names but plenty of the bigger ___________ Nation writers are absolutely getting kickbacks for all their "free" labor, if that's how it worked in theory.
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I dunno, Julie is mostly good peoples. She had just been layed off from her sports job in Chicago. I just don't particularly blame writers or talkers in this lovely industry from taking a job right now. I tend to save my ire for those at the top, not someone who's probably pretty desperate for a check.
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Dexo posted:I dunno, Julie is mostly good peoples. scabs aren't good people
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People don't owe people a drat thing. The new Deadspin people don't even meet any traditional definition of sc*b, not that they'd have any reason to hang their head if they did. God the labor solidarity crowd makes me want to put on some heavy-rear end boots. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Troy Queef posted:scabs aren't good people They aren't scabs. The union didn't strike, they didn't take someone else's job who were still employed but participating in a labor action. But I don't begrudge anyone who in this current loving hell time needs to take a job in their field especially in loving media to survive. More than anything it's just that the content loving sucks. Edit: I don't agree with GD above. Solidarity is important, but I cannot get angry or mad at someone for taking an open position even at a company with trash ownership and management. Dexo fucked around with this message at 04:18 on May 16, 2020 |
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