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Mulaney Power Move posted:drat you really gotta shout if one dude is on the other end of that bridge. The bridge sets are huge and sprawling in nuTrek because it's conducive to spinning, rotating, and handheld shots. Old show sets were notoriously smaller than they looked on TV so you could fit several people in frame and have fixed and reverse shots with them still being identifiable, along with pull focus and a lot of other composition language that's out of fashion. But if you have circle strafing lens flare shots with people yelling at each other and running to get in each others faces to yell some more that's more dramatic and mature.
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If Picard season 2 has him team up with shatner a la The Return, the last 30 years will have all been worth it
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May 16, 2020 16:02
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I hope every episode of Picard season 2 starts with him casually breaking or smashing a prop that was important to Picard in TNG. Like at the beginning of one episode he picks up the flute from The Inner Light and just breaks it in half and drops the pieces and then breaks the fourth wall looks into the camera and flips the audience the bird and it's totally uncommented on. I'd still watch every episode
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May 16, 2020 16:07
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Breakfast All Day posted:The bridge sets are huge and sprawling in nuTrek because it's conducive to spinning, rotating, and handheld shots. Old show sets were notoriously smaller than they looked on TV so you could fit several people in frame and have fixed and reverse shots with them still being identifiable, along with pull focus and a lot of other composition language that's out of fashion. But if you have circle strafing lens flare shots with people yelling at each other and running to get in each others faces to yell some more that's more dramatic and mature. Wow it's almost like the realities of budget and time constraints breeds creativity and encourages innovation. Can't have that in nu-trek when we've gotta spend that giant prestige TV budget.
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May 16, 2020 16:26
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I don't know what you mean by extra cent, Picard at least wishes it could aspire to TNG season 1 and 2 production values. They either had the budget of a cable access show or 80% of it got funneled up a producer's nose. Everything in that show looks like the poo poo they fished out of a community theatre troupe's tickle trunk, the actors' own clothes they wore to work that day, and the discount page at Shutterstock.
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May 16, 2020 16:34
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infernal machines posted:I don't know what you mean by extra cent, Picard at least wishes it could aspire to TNG season 1 and 2 production values. They either had the budget of a cable access show or 80% of it got funneled up a producer's nose. for those who haven't seen this yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLCxAJdCZGg
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:[/b] Oh my God this makes me so god drat angry gently caress Star Trek
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I get the feeling tv writers now also are in a bubble where none of them have ever had a normal job so they can’t envision or identify with the office workplace that TNG essentially was. They’re more familiar with stupid military tropes and people dramatically yelling at each other so that’s what goes in the tv show: a recycled vomit of American military drama mixed with some teen romance drama. Also torture of living beings because American military dramas are all really, really obsessed with the question of “what if torture good??”
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:[/b] I want to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. I'm just very disappointed  .
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I remember thinking the beacon vision FMV in Mass Effect was kind of lovely production value with the 90s distortion/shearing/blending of 2d concept art. Somehow a prestige TV show made 13 years later did worse while ripping that off.
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May 16, 2020 18:28
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stop calling it a prestige show and maybe people will stop making them
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Breakfast All Day posted:I remember thinking the beacon vision FMV in Mass Effect was kind of lovely production value with the 90s distortion/shearing/blending of 2d concept art. Somehow a prestige TV show made 13 years later did worse while ripping that off. It at least looked visceral and disturbing with the live-action model shots rather than straight CGI, and you never felt good about having to re-experience it. The Admonition is just REALLY hoping nobody played the first half-hour of Mass Effect.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Because Patrick Stewart's an old man and there's a non-zero chance he dies before the show does, or at least ages very noticeably.
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Tighclops, why don't you make a nu-Trek hate thread in Sci-fi WiFi? That way you can be as negative and snippy as you want, and people who want to roll around in the same very possibly accurate complaints, can do so without being interrupted yourselves?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Actors hate that sort of stuff, it sucks all the energy out of their performances when their physicality is limited for long stretches at a time.
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Pick posted:Tighclops, why don't you make a nu-Trek hate thread in Sci-fi WiFi? That way you can be as negative and snippy as you want, and people who want to roll around in the same very possibly accurate complaints, can do so without being interrupted yourselves? I don't know if you've noticed but we also have plenty of other threads where lots of people (who aren't me) talk about what they don't like about nu-Trek, but if you like you can go right ahead and I might pop in if I have something to contribute
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There's a Picard thread in GBS for hating Nu-Trek. This thread is for loving old trek (and also hating nu-trek sometimes if it comes up organically in conversation). Just watched the salt vampire episode of TOS with my daughters. They didn't cry or anything >: ( When I was little and I saw the salt monster, it made me cry. Kids today are too desensitized by the media.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:All you guys conplaining about the size of the sets are crazy. I mean I get you don't like all the crazy angles (but just lol if you think TOS wouldn't have done something like that if they could have) Actually I do think that's a uniquely lame development of modern cinematography. Older eras had theirs but lol if you think that the passage of time necessarily equals superior evolution of artistic conventions.
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May 16, 2020 21:40
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TBH Voyager's bridge was also a vast cavernous expanse of nothing for seemingly no real reason
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Applewhite posted:There's a Picard thread in GBS for hating Nu-Trek. This thread is for loving old trek (and also hating nu-trek sometimes if it comes up organically in conversation). When I saw that episode as a little kid I didn't cry but it scared the poo poo out of me. They had a shot of it in the credits randomly too and I used to get unreasonably anxious seeing the credits, not knowing if it would suddenly appear.
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infernal machines posted:When I saw that episode as a little kid I didn't cry but it scared the poo poo out of me. They had a shot of it in the credits randomly too and I used to get unreasonably anxious seeing the credits, not knowing if it would suddenly appear. Lol, me too. The salt vampire is one of the gently caress-ugliest things I've ever seen and that remains true to this day.
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The salt monster never did anything for me but I used to occasionally have nightmares as a kid where Armus would pop up from the bottom of my bed
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Tighclops posted:The salt monster never did anything for me but I used to occasionally have nightmares as a kid where Armus would pop up from the bottom of my bed From the rotten pool of abused gym socks you were stashing under there?
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McSpanky posted:Actually I do think that's a uniquely lame development of modern cinematography. Older eras had theirs but lol if you think that the passage of time necessarily equals superior evolution of artistic conventions. Well, I'm not saying anything one way or the other about the quality of the DISCO cinematography, except to say it's my personal hunch TOS would have employed some pretty wacky cinematography itself if it had the means. Personally, I'd like to see Discover season 3 take the opportunity to introduce some big sets that have a reason to be big, as in visually representing the immensity and sophistication of the super-future starships. Not everything has to be submarines.
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Tighclops posted:The salt monster never did anything for me but I used to occasionally have nightmares as a kid where Armus would pop up from the bottom of my bed  with ArmusThat was the first time I had ever seen a main character get taken out like that in a TV show, and Yar was one of my favorite characters because she owned.
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I used to have not quite nightmares but freaky dreams about the Borg assimilating my little town or whatever when I was in grade school.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It at least looked visceral and disturbing with the live-action model shots rather than straight CGI, and you never felt good about having to re-experience it. The Admonition is just REALLY hoping nobody played the first half-hour of Mass Effect. Disagree. It looked cheap and lame.
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Nagilum was what did it for me, that thing was insanely creepy.
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:Nagilum was what did it for me, that thing was insanely creepy. The helmsman who died should have gotten an emmy for that death scene. It looks silly in the gif but played out fully on screen it is probably one of TNG's most unsettling deaths.
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Everything about that episode was scary as poo poo, like the random sounds in the weirdly lit corridors of the "Yamato"
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Early TNG was awesome with presenting eerie, dangerous, "risk is our business" style encounters. And they weren't afraid to show gore, either.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Early TNG was awesome with presenting eerie, dangerous, "risk is our business" style encounters. And they weren't afraid to show gore, either. Early TNG was probably the most gory of all Star tracks
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Early TNG was probably the most gory of all Star tracks Voyager had a lot more plot gore though.
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mycomancy posted:Voyager had a lot more plot gore though. DS9 had more Thot Gor though
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Tighclops posted:Everything about that episode was scary as poo poo, like the random sounds in the weirdly lit corridors of the "Yamato" the scariest part was the end where picard rationalized about how maybe the malevolent alien who kills for sport and killed his helmsman right in front of him wasn't so bad after all.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:the scariest part was the end where picard rationalized about how maybe the malevolent alien who kills for sport and killed his helmsman right in front of him wasn't so bad after all. He wasn’t killing for sport though. He was basically just a scientist. Surely Picard isn’t happy about the olden days where scientists would do poo poo to rats, but but I don’t think he would consider the scientist evil. This is the guy who considered firing on the crystalline entity as a horrible last resort, and that thing eats people a planet at a time. and he was pissed as gently caress when Old Lady exploded it.
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