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Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


I hadn't thought about Dostum since leaving there in 2017 but gently caress that guy and the horse he rode in on from the north

https://twitter.com/NYTimesAtWar/status/1261662448261701633?s=20

quote:

KABUL, Afghanistan — The two sides in the monthslong dispute over Afghanistan’s presidential election are close to signing a power-sharing deal, the terms of which include a significant promotion for a former vice president who is accused of abducting, torturing and attempting to rape a political rival while in office.

The agreement to promote Gen. Abdul Rashid Dostum to marshal, a military rank awarded only twice before in Afghanistan’s history, comes as the government is preparing for peace talks with the Taliban, and as Afghans who lost loved ones to terrorist attacks and other atrocities demand that accountability for such crimes be central to those negotiations.

Preparations for the talks have been shadowed by the dispute over the election, which was held in September. In February, President Ashraf Ghani was declared to have been re-elected, but his main opponent, Abdullah Abdullah, called the results fraudulent and took the oath of office at the same time that Mr. Ghani did.

The deadlock raised concerns that the Afghan government would be divided and weakened in talks with the Taliban, who have been emboldened by a deal with the United States that has led to the start of an American withdrawal. After significant pressure from the United States, including the cutting-off of $1 billion in aid, representatives of Mr. Ghani began talks with Mr. Abdullah on power-sharing — just as in 2014, when a presidential contest between the same two men led to a similar dispute.

According to the text of their new deal, which was seen by The New York Times on Saturday, Mr. Abdullah will take charge of the peace process with the Taliban. He and Mr. Ghani will each appoint the same number of cabinet ministers, with Mr. Abdullah also having a significant share in the appointment of governors. Mr. Ghani is to remain president.

And General Dostum — a former vice president under Mr. Ghani who became one of Mr. Abdullah’s key backers — will become a marshal, a promotion that Mr. Abdullah had promised in return for his support, and to which Mr. Ghani has now consented. The deal is expected to be signed in the coming days.

“The agreement is final, but discussions continue on some of the details,” said Fraidoon Khwazoon, a spokesman for Mr. Abdullah.

A senior official close to Mr. Ghani said that giving General Dostum the rank of marshal, which he characterized as an honorary title, was one small part of a desperate effort to prevent the political crisis from devolving into a civil war, and to let the government focus on negotiating an end to the conflict with the Taliban. He called it a poison pill that Mr. Ghani was swallowing to prevent bloodshed.

Enayatullah Babur Farahmand, a political aide to General Dostum who has denounced the accusations as false and a conspiracy against him, said the promotion would be long-overdue recognition for the military role the general had played in toppling the Taliban government in 2001, on the back of the U.S. invasion.

General Dostum, who has a history of alleged human rights abuses, was accused in 2016 of abducting and attempting to rape Ahmad Ishchi, a fellow Uzbek and a former deputy who became a political rival.

Mr. Ishchi broke down on national television as he described the episode, saying the vice president had beat him up in front of thousands of people at a sports arena; brought him to a home he owned, where he tortured him for days and tried to rape him; then ordered his guards to sexually assault him with the barrels of their guns. The abduction happened in daylight, and medical reports after Mr. Ishchi’s release showed injuries consistent with sexual assault, as well as bruises on his body.

There were outcries and promises of justice, within Afghanistan and internationally. The United States and the European Union called for investigations. Mr. Ghani said that no one was above the law and that justice would be served.

But though the case has remained open, General Dostum has returned to the center of national politics, after a stint in exile in Turkey.

Mr. Ghani’s team toyed with the idea of seeking the general’s support in the 2019 election. And Mr. Abdullah, whom General Dostum ended up backing, promised that if elected, one of his first official acts would be to make General Dostum a marshal. Senior American officials visited the general at his home, posing for photos with him. The top American commander even presented the general with gifts, appearing to pin on his chest what the U.S. military later said was a “commander’s coin and a NATO pin.”

Patricia Gossman, associate Asia director for Human Rights Watch, said the general’s pending promotion summed up how justice and accountability had been regarded in Afghanistan since 2001, when the United States invaded and the country’s new political structure was formed at a conference in Bonn, Germany.

“A strongman defies arrest, an investigation thwarted at the highest levels — nothing illustrates as well the post-Bonn embrace of impunity,” Ms. Gossman said. “This does not bode well for those hoping the government will speak for victims in the peace talks.”

An official close to Mr. Ghani said that while the government had failed to bring General Dostum to court, it had done what was possible in a fragile situation against a powerful strongman, who had thousands of armed followers and support from neighboring countries: It had forced him into exile for 15 months, even turning back his plane when he first tried to return, and stripped him of all executive authority as vice president.

Although reports of General Dostum’s promotion have been circulating for weeks, there have been no signs of objection from the Western countries that had called for an investigation of Mr. Ishchi’s accusations. Instead, most of them have pressured Mr. Ghani and Mr. Abdullah to reach an agreement, progress toward which was welcomed on Friday by Zalmay Khalilzad, the U.S. special representative for Afghanistan reconciliation.

“The decisions made to form an inclusive government are decisions that the Afghans are making,” Mr. Khalilzad told reporters in Washington. “But I generally am of the view that any process for peace requires a balance between requirements of justice and requirements of ending a war.”

General Dostum, 66, who has repeatedly switched sides during four decades of brutal war in Afghanistan, hopes to cement a legacy as a champion of his minority Uzbek people, having become Afghanistan’s first Uzbek vice president. Mr. Ghani, who made the general his 2014 running mate despite having once called him a “known killer,” tried to marginalize him soon after taking office. Infuriated, General Dostum responded with erratic shows of force.

There has been little accountability for any of the warlords involved in Afghanistan’s 1990s civil war, which left Kabul in ruins and plunged the country into bloody chaos that still continues. Many of those men grew prosperous with the backing of the United States military over the past two decades. But while most of them polished their images and showed some public restraint, General Dostum still resorted to brutal ways in crushing potential rivals to his power.

Mr. Farahmand, the aide to General Dostum, said Mr. Ishchi’s accusations could not prevent the general’s promotion, because they had not been supported by any court ruling.

When pressed that the abduction had happened in front of a large crowd, and that Mr. Ishchi had bruises and wounds to show immediately after his release, Mr. Farahmand said, “I am not saying he wasn’t beaten, I am not saying he didn’t have bruises, but he was not raped — I can say that 100 percent.”

Asked why, if the accusations were false, General Dostum had refused to cooperate with investigators or appear in court to clear his name, Mr. Farahmand said the courts were not impartial and that the government had conspired to marginalize the general. He cited a 2016 attack on the general’s convoy, which Afghan officials blamed on the Taliban but General Dostum called the work of Afghanistan’s intelligence agency.

“This was a political conspiracy — this was the excuse to eliminate General Dostum,” Mr. Farahmand said. “They couldn’t eliminate him physically, they came for character assassination.”

Lara Jakes contributed reporting from Washington.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Oh, do we like Duckworth again?

Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

Godholio posted:

Oh, do we like Duckworth again?

What did she do to get people to not like her? Last I heard she wasn’t interested in a run, but I’m not closely following the veep talk outside oh here.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Nystral posted:

What did she do to get people to not like her? Last I heard she wasn’t interested in a run, but I’m not closely following the veep talk outside oh here.

she's not AOC socialist.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Nystral posted:

What did she do to get people to not like her? Last I heard she wasn’t interested in a run, but I’m not closely following the veep talk outside oh here.

quote:

Q: Do you support Sen. Sanders’ “Medicare for All” bill?

A: I just don’t think the Sanders proposal is achievable. … I know he is (taking) a philosophical stand, but I just don’t think we are in a time right now where we should be taking these very strong stands when we have real work to try to fix it. … What can we do to shore up the exchanges, what can we do to make sure the White House makes the payments (to subsidize some plans)? I am actually interested in what Chris Murphy (Democratic senator from Connecticut) is working on, the idea of buying in to Medicare.

Q: What do you say to the argument that that is just a foot in the door to a single-payer system?

A: Maybe it is. All I know is that I have a lot of people in Illinois who have no other options and would love Medicare buy-in, and it would make a difference in their lives.


bloops posted:

she's not AOC socialist.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Oh my bad she’s obviously the devil.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

BigDave posted:

Never knew the Air Force had calvary units.

666th Flying Horsemen!

It's not as though stealing symbolism from the cavalry is a new thing for the air force.

Where do you think the word "squadron" comes from?

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020


Maybe she just doesn’t support it but even so, “we can’t achieve the impossible so we need to set our sights on the achievable right now” is reasonable.

M4A isn’t going to be the next major healthcare bill that passes even if Sanders was President.

A Bad Poster
Sep 25, 2006
Seriously, shut the fuck up.

:dukedog:
I have always thought 1st Cav's enormous unit patch, large enough that it breaks the uniform, was so stupid that you had to respect it. A giant horse for a bunch of helicopter idiots.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Woofer posted:

Maybe she just doesn’t support it but even so, “we can’t achieve the impossible so we need to set our sights on the achievable right now” is reasonable.

M4A isn’t going to be the next major healthcare bill that passes even if Sanders was President.

No no no gay space communism NOW

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

McNally posted:

It's not as though stealing symbolism from the cavalry is a new thing for the air force.

Where do you think the word "squadron" comes from?

The Navy, obviously.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
we cant achieve things that our donors dont want

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Woofer posted:

Maybe she just doesn’t support it but even so, “we can’t achieve the impossible so we need to set our sights on the achievable right now” is reasonable.

It is, and I'll enjoy the next few hours while that's the tone in here. It wasn't THAT long ago that she was being lumped in with people like Biden and McCain because she strayed from the one true path.

McNally
Sep 13, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Do you like muskets?

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

The Navy, obviously.

Well, you got me there.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Godholio posted:

It is, and I'll enjoy the next few hours while that's the tone in here. It wasn't THAT long ago that she was being lumped in with people like Biden and McCain because she strayed from the one true path.


LingcodKilla posted:

No no no gay space communism NOW


LingcodKilla posted:

Oh my bad she’s obviously the devil.





bloops posted:

she's not AOC socialist.

Good lord yall are a bunch of whiners. All of this because you think other people have a different opinion of a politician? :qq:

Nobody here hates Tammy Duckworth you dinks. She's just not particularly impressive, politically speaking. Obviously her military career was badass, but in Congress she's as close to generic D as you can get. It seems to me that she's more of a GIP meme just like Diamond Joe was a few years ago. And boy howdy, I sure love hearing the same dumb joke whenever someone says she should "run" for president.

Also the majority of voters support M4A. Why isn't that achievable then? Why do we need to set our sights lower than what the majority of Americans want? Seriously ask yourselves that.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Fister Roboto posted:

Good lord yall are a bunch of whiners. All of this because you think other people have a different opinion of a politician? :qq:

Nobody here hates Tammy Duckworth you dinks. She's just not particularly impressive, politically speaking. Obviously her military career was badass, but in Congress she's as close to generic D as you can get. It seems to me that she's more of a GIP meme just like Diamond Joe was a few years ago. And boy howdy, I sure love hearing the same dumb joke whenever someone says she should "run" for president.

Also the majority of voters support M4A. Why isn't that achievable then? Why do we need to set our sights lower than what the majority of Americans want? Seriously ask yourselves that.

Got 'em.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Seriously? gently caress off.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Fister Roboto posted:

Seriously? gently caress off.

I distinctly remember quite a lot of hostility to her. Do i need to comb through the last couple months to find them? No, I'd rather take a nap.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

LingcodKilla posted:

I distinctly remember quite a lot of hostility to her. Do i need to comb through the last couple months to find them? No, I'd rather take a nap.

Typical Lingcodkilla, taking a refreshing nap instead of going through months of posts on a dead gay web forum. :rolleyes:

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I mean yeah, if you're going to claim something like that then you should probably actually show that you're not full of poo poo.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

BigDave posted:

Typical Lingcodkilla, taking a refreshing nap instead of going through months of posts on a dead gay web forum. :rolleyes:

His military career has been magically blessed too

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
Fred Willard died.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Goddamnit.

:(

Hope he seized every last moment.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)
Taco Defender
Searched the forums, found very little anti-Duckworth sentiment--mostly some meh-ing and most of it in D&D. Unless there's some sort of codeword for poo poo-talking Duckworth I don't know about.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





She probably just fell victim to the NOT LEFT ENOUGH sentiment that was running through here for a while

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

She probably just fell victim to the NOT LEFT ENOUGH sentiment that was running through here for a while

Heaven forbid that we criticize politicians for not meeting expectations. You do realize that it's a serious problem that our "left" party isn't left enough, right?

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

I mostly lurk, but I've never seen any anti-Duckworth posts in here. Not saying they didn't happen, but I check in daily.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
rip fred

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice
When the choices are "which senile white rapist do you want?" then I'll take it as a ray of sunshine that Duckworth might get VP. Not my personal favorite for the slot but I'll take it.

Prop Wash
Jun 12, 2010



Fister Roboto posted:

Also the majority of voters support M4A. Why isn't that achievable then? Why do we need to set our sights lower than what the majority of Americans want? Seriously ask yourselves that.

This is definitely something you can fix by yelling at other veterans on a left-leaning message board

edit: anyway here's Fred Willard slopping some famous celebrities. Timely warning about the English Channel included https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKVgRxCdZXE

Prop Wash fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 16, 2020

Shaddak
Nov 13, 2011

We beter not be on a Fred streak. I'll be all kinds of sad if Fred Ward is next.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
What a weenie, that ended quick.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1261714484479041537?s=19

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

bulletsponge13 posted:

I mostly lurk, but I've never seen any anti-Duckworth posts in here. Not saying they didn't happen, but I check in daily.

I vaguely remember them during the start of the primary around the time of Nevada. It might have been in reference to something az stated above.

Edit: it wasnt wide spread, I think it was just me and a couple of other posters doing the standard.

Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 16, 2020

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
This subforum is a Pelosi and Duckworth criticism free zone

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
I'll accept Duckworth protection. I will ALWAYS type Suck My Dick From the Back when pelosi pops up

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

KirbyKhan posted:

I'll accept Duckworth protection. I will ALWAYS type Suck My Dick From the Back when pelosi pops up

Semi-related question, did Pelosi have a stroke at some point? She has some really bad facial paralysis going on.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Prop Wash posted:

This is definitely something you can fix by yelling at other veterans on a left-leaning message board

I never said it could, I'm just sick of people acting like M4A is some unreasonable pie in the sky demand. Especially the way people are framing it, like those dang childish lefties are ruining our chances of getting more "reasonable" policies enacted.

Politicians saying they don't support a popular policy because it's not likely to pass should be a huge mark against them. That's their whole drat job, to get popular policies to pass. They're admitting defeat without even putting up a fight.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



BigDave posted:

Semi-related question, did Pelosi have a stroke at some point? She has some really bad facial paralysis going on.

I’d bet botulism toxin or other plastic surgery procedures.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

or the fact that she is actually a reanimated corpse

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Fister Roboto posted:

I never said it could, I'm just sick of people acting like M4A is some unreasonable pie in the sky demand. Especially the way people are framing it, like those dang childish lefties are ruining our chances of getting more "reasonable" policies enacted.

Politicians saying they don't support a popular policy because it's not likely to pass should be a huge mark against them. That's their whole drat job, to get popular policies to pass. They're admitting defeat without even putting up a fight.

Please, we're still in the month of respect Ace for calmly explaining to us that passing things that suck is better than trying to pass things that don't suck.

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