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Funnily enough, the person who shared it frequently posts stuff about the mainstream media being untrustworthy. I know everyone will be more critical of stuff that doesn't align with their views but with some people it's like an on/off switch.
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Walton Simons posted:Funnily enough, the person who shared it frequently posts stuff about the mainstream media being untrustworthy. I know everyone will be more critical of stuff that doesn't align with their views but with some people it's like an on/off switch. people who say things like "don't trust the mainstream media" and "do your own research" are usually just trying to assert the fact that they greatly dislike having their own biases and assumptions questioned, and that it is preferable for the world to just validate everything this person wanted to believe in anyway. like we're not exactly getting into the inherent problems of for-profit journalism or anything, it's as simple as "if observed reality conflicts with my inner emotional state, then observed reality must be wrong" level self-delusion crowing about how common sensual you are and how everyone else is just a big lazy dum-dum is a very good tell that this person is in fact not some kind of astounding genius
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luxury handset posted:people who say things like "don't trust the mainstream media" and "do your own research" are usually just trying to assert the fact that they greatly dislike having their own biases and assumptions questioned, and that it is preferable for the world to just validate everything this person wanted to believe in anyway. like we're not exactly getting into the inherent problems of for-profit journalism or anything, it's as simple as "if observed reality conflicts with my inner emotional state, then observed reality must be wrong" level self-delusion Reminds me of something I watched/read a long time ago that people like to believe conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than everyone else, like the know 'the truth' or 'the facts' better than other people and can't believe others haven't figured it out.
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May 18, 2020 14:31
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All conspiracy theories sound crazy until they’re true
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May 18, 2020 14:35
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Then they’re conspiracy facts
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nexus6 posted:Reminds me of something I watched/read a long time ago that people like to believe conspiracy theories because it makes them feel smarter than everyone else, like the know 'the truth' or 'the facts' better than other people and can't believe others haven't figured it out. I read an Atlantic piece on those Q nutters and they all say 'Do your own research' when the writer actually asks them 'so, what makes Q trustworthy?'
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May 18, 2020 14:39
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oldpainless posted:All conspiracy theories sound crazy until they’re true MKUltra is one of those things that makes you sound completely crazy if you talk about it but actually provably happened.
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May 18, 2020 14:40
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Walton Simons posted:Maybe it's already been posted, but this steaming pile of horseshit appeared on my feed today, courtesy of a family friend with bad opinions: Famed newspaper 'The London Times'
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May 18, 2020 15:04
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Guilty posted:Famed newspaper 'The London Times' Maybe it's the Times, and they have to go by that name in the US, like how the band Suede was known as 'The London Suede' over here.
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May 18, 2020 15:13
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Ugly In The Morning posted:MKUltra is one of those things that makes you sound completely crazy if you talk about it but actually provably happened. Didn't it happen but it didn't find anything? People don't usually mention that part.
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May 18, 2020 15:13
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https://twitter.com/sellursoulhere/status/1262118519208058885 When a buttcoiner finds a gooldd buuuggg...
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Walton Simons posted:Maybe it's already been posted, but this steaming pile of horseshit appeared on my feed today, courtesy of a family friend with bad opinions: Growing up in the UK that was like the prime example of the supposed culture of frivolous lawsuits in the US and it was only in the last few years I heard the real story, and that stupid post seems like it originated over here from some of the language used. Also given the state of our newspapers I could easily believe it actually was printed. (Although not in the "London Times" on account of that uhh not existing)
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May 18, 2020 15:15
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According to Wikipedia "The London Times" is a generally used name for The Times outside of the UK. That does not however mean I believe for a moment that it printed that "obituary", like wtf a key feature of reputable news organs is that they have searchable archives and citable permalinks
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May 18, 2020 15:17
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nexus6 posted:Didn't it happen but it didn't find anything? People don't usually mention that part. You’re thinking of Project Blue Book, which was the aliens one. MKUltra was the CIA attempting mind control stuff, which did find out a lot of things. Little of it useful. Most of it was “if you dose people with LSD without their knowledge for weeks on end, they may jump out windows”.
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May 18, 2020 15:22
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there's a lot of really loving wild conspiracies in the world the difference is that a conspiracy is asserting that something did happen which was a secret (the CIA tortured american citizens in an attempt to figure out how to brainwash people) where a conspiracy theory is asserting that something which is not a secret did not happen and that there is some secret cause (no children died at sandy hook, everyone involved was a paid actor) so you're essentially trying to prove a negative which is impossible, and so then anything goes you can just make up any poo poo you want to since there's no way to validate or confirm facts this is another reason conspiracy theories are attractive to people who want to have knowledge, there's no barrier to clear for acquisition of this knowledge, no testing, no difficulty of finding information. you can "do your research" in 15 minutes or 15 hours, it depends on how long you want to spend watching insane youtube videos or clicking around google. you don't need to do any actual archival or empirical research, you can just read a blog somewhere and declare your literature review complete. this is very handy when you need to convince yourself that you are well learned but don't have a lot of time or inclination to invest in your understanding Mr. Fall Down Terror has a new favorite as of 15:38 on May 18, 2020 |
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Data Graham posted:According to Wikipedia "The London Times" is a generally used name for The Times outside of the UK. Huh, never knew this. It's just called the Times here, in London, where the headquarters are. There's no such thing as the London Times here. Crazy.
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BaronVanAwesome posted:It's manly What, you never heard of beer goggles?
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Guilty posted:Huh, never knew this. It's just called the Times here, in London, where the headquarters are. There's no such thing as the London Times here. Crazy. At least here in the US there are several papers called the Times. New York, Los Angeles, others. I think the "correct" style when you need to distinguish is The Times of London or the London Times but I'm no editor.
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Walton Simons posted:Maybe it's already been posted, but this steaming pile of horseshit appeared on my feed today, courtesy of a family friend with bad opinions: The thing I don't get is... doesn't this 'Common Sense' thing go both ways? A six-year old is more than old enough to know not to touch others without permission. A teenager is old more than enough to follow school policies, which presumably do not allow them to have alcohol of any kind at school. Anyone pursuing a teaching career should be able to take five minutes to review the rules and regulations of a job they applied for, and they should not have taken that job if they were unable or unwilling to follow the institution's disciplinary policies. And... yes? A school should need permission to administer drugs of any kind to students. Wouldn't it be 'Common Sense' that tells us that even seemingly innocuous combinations of medication can result in poisoning and death? Why should schools be allowed to violate HIPAA? (HIPPA?) Should your doctor be allowed to discuss your pre-existing conditions with say, your employers or potential employers? Wouldn't you consider that a serious breach of trust and privacy? In one breath, they lament the death of 'Trust' and 'Discretion' while screaming that they can't reveal private medical information a few sentences earlier.
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nexus6 posted:Didn't it happen but it didn't find anything? People don't usually mention that part. The CIA said it didn't find anything MizPiz has a new favorite as of 16:22 on May 18, 2020 |
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GreenMetalSun posted:The thing I don't get is... doesn't this 'Common Sense' thing go both ways? A six-year old is more than old enough to know not to touch others without permission. people say "common sense" when they're trying to justify some gut reaction, as if there's an objective authority that can be appealed to for why all these goofy people are doing obviously dumb things i looked up the 6yo thing and it turns out the kid had a history of trying to kiss this one specific girl in his class. the school changed the infraction from sexual harassment to generic misconduct but still, the kid's behavior was worthy of intervention and punishment. the 'common sense' thing would be to perpetuate the status quo and tell the little girl to toughen up and deal with all this unwanted attention, because it is more important to allow boys to spread their unwanted affections rather than tell them to keep their hands to themselves
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If you know anyone who rattles out the McDonalds lawsuit was overblown thing, it is your civic duty to change their phone and computer backgrounds to the photos of those ladies injuries. It won't be an issue for them to look at them every day, afterall. Don't google these if you're eating lunch.
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MizPiz posted:The CIA said it didn't find anything And they are a bunch of lying liars who lie, but then again there is a giant pile of dumb as gently caress experiments perpetrated by government agencies that lead to absolute bupkis. I choose to go with the third option- they totally found something but whatever it was was so embarrassing that they'd rather say they failed and deal with everyone thinking they're totally useless/have mind control drugs.
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GreenMetalSun posted:The thing I don't get is... doesn't this 'Common Sense' thing go both ways? A six-year old is more than old enough to know not to touch others without permission. A teenager is old more than enough to follow school policies, which presumably do not allow them to have alcohol of any kind at school. Anyone pursuing a teaching career should be able to take five minutes to review the rules and regulations of a job they applied for, and they should not have taken that job if they were unable or unwilling to follow the institution's disciplinary policies. This is one of those many, many times where you're thinking harder than the author. It means you're wasting your time, this isn't meant to appeal to reason, it's meant to confirm biases.
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MizPiz posted:The CIA said it didn't find anything CIA: We didn't find anything. Everyone in unison: They didn't find anything.
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Since we’re on the subject of weird CIA poo poo just want to give a shoutout to my old friend Operation Acoustic Kitty
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https://twitter.com/cal_gif/status/1262143858038779906?s=21 https://twitter.com/phillphantastic/status/1262292275805085696?s=21
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there wolf posted:And they are a bunch of lying liars who lie, but then again there is a giant pile of dumb as gently caress experiments perpetrated by government agencies that lead to absolute bupkis. I choose to go with the third option- they totally found something but whatever it was was so embarrassing that they'd rather say they failed and deal with everyone thinking they're totally useless/have mind control drugs.
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Data Graham posted:According to Wikipedia "The London Times" is a generally used name for The Times outside of the UK. I more meant it's the kind of stupid boomer poo poo that could easily be an opinion column, maybe not in the Times but definitely the Mail, than I literally believe its straight from a national newspaper.
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nextdoor sucks and i hate my neighbors.
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Yuran M. Bazil posted:I more meant it's the kind of stupid boomer poo poo that could easily be an opinion column, maybe not in the Times but definitely the Mail, than I literally believe its straight from a national newspaper. Counterpoint: have you read op eds?
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Sestze posted:nextdoor sucks and i hate my neighbors. does nextdoor require any real personal information
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Takoluka posted:does nextdoor require any real personal information They send you a post card through the mail for verification, but they don't have to know your real name. There's also a way of using a phone number to validate yourself but I don't know how that one works.
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More from sasquatch dude. Sadly, this is the limit as the rest of his Facebook posts are just sharing YouTube videos. 
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There are so many fascinating things to actually research and learn about We have more access to information than ever in history and to an absolutely insane level of detail and credibility But nooooo, "jesuits"
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oldpainless posted:All conspiracy theories sound crazy until they’re true  they're conspiracy theories after they've been well substantiated. Before that they're just conspiracy hypothesis.
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sugar mouse posted:More from sasquatch dude. Sadly, this is the limit as the rest of his Facebook posts are just sharing YouTube videos. You still haven't said if he's white or not. The crowd is getting restless.
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Operation Gladio was a hilarious situation that you can watch turn from conspiracy theory to provable fact in the comments/logs of its Wikipedia article. Essentially, it was a plan by NATO to arm far-right groups in European countries, so that in the event of an invasion by the USSR, there would be pre-existing guerrillas behind the lines with caches of weapons. Unfortunately, and unsurprisingly, giving guns to far right groups leads them to actually use them for terrorist goals. Until 2006, this was dismissed as a paranoid conspiracy, but after the Italian and Belgian governments confirmed that it was a thing, the article talk page takes on a different tone.
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Same thing for most of the US regime changing. Though that’s dismissed as conspiracies for political reasons rather than actual skepticism
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Technocrat posted:Operation Gladio was a hilarious situation that you can watch turn from conspiracy theory to provable fact in the comments/logs of its Wikipedia article. I hope they point out that it's, uh, exactly what we did in Afghanistan too. With hilarious results!
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