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We've discussed the Irishman earlier in the thread, but my biggest issue is that they didn't use the de-aging technology to place a younger DeNiro face on a younger man, rather than de-aging the seventy-five year old DeNiro and still have him do all his own physical work. That's why some of the beatdown scenes are so loving depressing, especially comparing them to Goodfellas. It's stupidly obvious that it's still a septuagenarian man trying to be physically intimidating in every scene, regardless of what JibJab face they put on him.
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Looper, but its fading limelight stars stealing the youthful hair and smooth facial skin from their younger incarnation.
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May 18, 2020 15:22
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I think it works in a purely thematic sense because it creates a sort of disconnect with reality when this old man tries to imagine his part in all these past events and cant help but just project his current state on the past. Wich shows that he cannot lie to himself by going into his own memories to reminisce about how as a young man he was full of potential for good. Like the movie doesn't want to glorify the past so no amount of pretending or movie magic can cover or hide what he is from himself: and old man who's done bad for most of his life, there is no going back to a point where he was ever "good".
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May 18, 2020 15:29
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How about a movie where aging Hollywood actors have to put young actors in a giant machine run by a malevolent AI to steal their life energy and make them younger. Then at the end it turns out the machine can actually just make people younger without stealing any young person's life energy, the AI just hated humans and wanted to hurt them/have them hurt each other.
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May 18, 2020 15:36
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What are you Qanon
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May 18, 2020 15:37
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I'm just waiting for the first film to go full ghoulish and have the entire cast be famous dead actors. I'm sure Robert Zemeckis would do it. Looper 2 starring young Marlon Brando, old Marlon Brando, and Marylin Monroe. Finally your dream cast can be your real cast.
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May 18, 2020 15:46
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Red Bones posted:I'm just waiting for the first film to go full ghoulish and have the entire cast be famous dead actors. I'm sure Robert Zemeckis would do it. Looper 2 starring young Marlon Brando, old Marlon Brando, and Marylin Monroe. That's not full ghoulish. Full ghoulish is also having them do the press tours. Jimmy Fallon doing his best Jimmy Stewart to Jimmy Stewart, Sammy Davis Jr. In Carpool Karaoke, Lauren Bacall on Hot Ones.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also the original series was a French-American co-production and the character was co-created by two French dudes and an ex-Hanna Barbera story writer, which makes the Clouseau/Get Smart combo make a lot more sense. OMG I remember one of the 90s attempts! Even then it was awful to me
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Lobok posted:That's not full ghoulish. Full ghoulish is also having them do the press tours. Jimmy Fallon doing his best Jimmy Stewart to Jimmy Stewart, Sammy Davis Jr. In Carpool Karaoke, Lauren Bacall on Hot Ones. Billy crystal as Sammy Davis jr
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May 18, 2020 17:06
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You guys joke, but I'm convinced the only reason Deepfakes haven't replaced real actors yet is because voice emulation isn't quite there yet, and I'm sure that's not far off.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:We've discussed the Irishman earlier in the thread, but my biggest issue is that they didn't use the de-aging technology to place a younger DeNiro face on a younger man, rather than de-aging the seventy-five year old DeNiro and still have him do all his own physical work. That's why some of the beatdown scenes are so loving depressing, especially comparing them to Goodfellas. It's stupidly obvious that it's still a septuagenarian man trying to be physically intimidating in every scene, regardless of what JibJab face they put on him. Like if you compare the beating scenes in Goodfellas and Irishman it’s very deliberate
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May 18, 2020 17:43
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:You guys joke, but I'm convinced the only reason Deepfakes haven't replaced real actors yet is because voice emulation isn't quite there yet, and I'm sure that's not far off. Depending on the actor this shouldn't even require any tech. There are probably legions of voice actors who could do good enough impressions, especially if our eyes are already being fooled by excellent visual fakes. Studios have also clearly decided they're fine with "good enough" anyway. It's not like we don't know the actor is dead.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:You guys joke, but I'm convinced the only reason Deepfakes haven't replaced real actors yet is because voice emulation isn't quite there yet, and I'm sure that's not far off. Jay-Z is suing a YouTube channel right now for this as we speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7u-y9oqUSw And several states now have laws on the book about deepfakes and consent, not just for porn but for image/celebrity rights. As someone who keeps abreast of this sort of thing I think the fidelity of deepfakes isn't quite there yet, but advances are happening very very quickly. They're beginning to get quite convincing, but the resolution is very low and depends on having a good source. But I've also been writing a book on the future of Hollywood where deepfakes have won pop-culturally and new content is driven by empty and wrong-headed nostalgia, so I'm biased. Though I'm probably going to have to go back to the drawing board because things are changing so quickly and synthetic media is about to have a huge boom. e: the short-term future of media is going to be wild and we're all going to hate it. Get ready to be an old person yelling at clouds very very soon. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 18, 2020 |
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I liked Gadget and the Gadgetinis, but to be honest it was pretty much just the same poo poo from all metrics. The original show hasn't aged too well, especially the bits with the ridiculously obnoxious wannabe superhero sidekick because they needed someone dumber than Gadget apparently. There were a few episodes that played with things pretty well, like one where the villain is after an ancient tomb said to contain the world's most powerful weapon and the source of all knowledge- and he succeeds. He finds a mouldering ancient tome and a rusty sword, and realises just then that those descriptors would have been accurate six thousand years ago.
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May 18, 2020 19:06
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I liked Gadget and the Gadgetinis, but to be honest it was pretty much just the same poo poo from all metrics. The original show hasn't aged too well, especially the bits with the ridiculously obnoxious wannabe superhero sidekick because they needed someone dumber than Gadget apparently. I think Ben 10 or something did an episode like that, where the villain gets to the top of a pyramid and grabs the mega badass sword only for the blade to crumble to dust.
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May 18, 2020 19:27
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Also the original series was a French-American co-production and the character was co-created by two French dudes and an ex-Hanna Barbera story writer, which makes the Clouseau/Get Smart combo make a lot more sense. The weirdest Gadget spinoff was Inspector Gadget's Field Trip, which was a live-action travelogue narrated by Adams, in character. Then there were those "Easy Play" DVDs of various cartoons that had a menu helper narrated by Gadget, though if you knew enough about menus to select and start the menu helper, you didn't need it.  Ghost Leviathan posted:There were a few episodes that played with things pretty well, like one where the villain is after an ancient tomb said to contain the world's most powerful weapon and the source of all knowledge- and he succeeds. He finds a mouldering ancient tome and a rusty sword, and realises just then that those descriptors would have been accurate six thousand years ago. There was an episode of MASK where the villains are searching for ancient treasure that's supposed to reveal the secret of life, and in the end it's just an inscription saying the secret of life is love. Don't know what they expected honestly.
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I watched a deepfake video just today where someone replaced Harrison Ford in a bunch of Indiana Jones clips with Chris Pratt, and it was unnervingly well done. Not 100% (lip-sync seemed off at times, and occasionally the face was slightly 'floaty' in a way that anyone who saw Tron Legacy will probably remember), but considering that it was done by a couple of guys rather than ILM or whoever, it was impressive. (The replacement face's lighting matching the scenes, even behind glass or with atmospheric elements, was what really stood out.)
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May 18, 2020 20:28
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FlamingLiberal posted:“Congrats, we made DeNiro look like a nightmare instead of 70 in a scene where the person was supposed to be in his 20s” Nodding dogs with inhuman faces.
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Action Jacktion posted:
This reminds me of the GI Joe episode where they got a notice that "The Viper is coming" and spent the whole episode blasting up Cobra plots only for the reveal to be that old viper/wiper joke about a German guy cleaning the windows of their headquarters.
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May 18, 2020 21:00
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:You guys joke, but I'm convinced the only reason Deepfakes haven't replaced real actors yet is because voice emulation isn't quite there yet, and I'm sure that's not far off. I'm not really joking. I don't think they'll replace real actors across the entire industry but I think someone's going to make a film using only/mostly famous dead actors in the next decade. The technology will be there, and the audacity will make it tempting, and the well-established profitability of popular, nostalgic media will make it financially attractive. They'll test the waters by making a biopic of a dead actor starring their computer ghoul, and/or they'll adapt some famous director's never-filmed project using the CGI cast he wanted to use in the 70s or whatever. And after that it'll just be a thing, and you'll get to watch John Wayne's corpse be the villain in the 100th Marvel film. Edit: by "they" I mean probably Disney, because there will be no other film studios in the US.
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Red Bones posted:I'm not really joking. I don't think they'll replace real actors across the entire industry but I think someone's going to make a film using only/mostly famous dead actors in the next decade. The technology will be there, and the audacity will make it tempting, and the well-established profitability of popular, nostalgic media will make it financially attractive. Nah, it won't start with a biopic. It'll be a nostalgia film, and it'll be a small part where the plucky kids in 1986 meet their hero.
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Action Jacktion posted:The weirdest Gadget spinoff was Inspector Gadget's Field Trip, which was a live-action travelogue narrated by Adams, in character. Seeing that was DIC has me feeling obligated to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHO84rOp8FQ
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Red Bones posted:I'm not really joking. I don't think they'll replace real actors across the entire industry but I think someone's going to make a film using only/mostly famous dead actors in the next decade. The technology will be there, and the audacity will make it tempting, and the well-established profitability of popular, nostalgic media will make it financially attractive. Technology is constantly improving, but of the few big instances I can think of--younger RDJ in Iron Man, Peter Cushing in Rogue One, and horrific approximation of Robert de Nero in The Irishman--only RDJ isn't terrifying. And in that case they're trying to make a 50 year old look 20, which is a lot easier, I expect, than 70 to 20. And apparently movies have been doing similar deaging to actors for a while now. I can see a solid tech demo being released, maybe a bit part in a movie, but... Tarkin in Rogue One was painful to look at. Subtle digital deaging is here to stay and only getting better, but complete reanimation (pardon the pun) seems a lot further off. The 2029 movie starring John Wayne, Marlon Brando, and Judy Garland is going to make The Polar Express look natural and realistic.
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May 18, 2020 23:45
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Detective No. 27 posted:Samuel L. Jackson looked really good in Captain Marvel. That's kind of cheating though, since he doesn't look 71 now. He looks in his mid-fifties, tops.
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May 18, 2020 23:55
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Detective No. 27 posted:Samuel L. Jackson looked really good in Captain Marvel. Marvel's technology is really good. I don't know if they use different people or not, but every time they've used that to make people look younger it's looked great. Clark Gregg, RDJ, Samuel L. Jackson, and Michael Douglas all had really good younger versions.
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Alan Smithee posted:the VFX guys didn't even have to use the de-cracking plugin 
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Another problem with The Irishman's de-aging is that we know what Robert DeNiro looked like when he was young and that was not it.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:How about a movie where aging Hollywood actors have to put young actors in a giant machine run by a malevolent AI to steal their life energy and make them younger. Then at the end it turns out the machine can actually just make people younger without stealing any young person's life energy, the AI just hated humans and wanted to hurt them/have them hurt each other. Nah it turns out there is no AI and humans are just cruel.
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I've got nothing new to add about Extraction except that the fight scenes are insanely good, especially the apartment complex which is Wick level good. The car chase is not as good as mad Max fury road but then again what is.its fun and dumb and Thor does a good job.
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Isn't there actually some movie in development where the main character is going to be a CGI James Dean?
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It was announced by some shady studio that nobody heard of iirc Nothing has been said since
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Rochallor posted:I can see a solid tech demo being released, maybe a bit part in a movie, but... Tarkin in Rogue One was painful to look at. Subtle digital deaging is here to stay and only getting better, but complete reanimation (pardon the pun) seems a lot further off. The 2029 movie starring John Wayne, Marlon Brando, and Judy Garland is going to make The Polar Express look natural and realistic. In retrospect, I wonder if CGI Tarkin was the reason they resorted to body doubles and unused footage for Carrie Fisher in RoS. I feel like CGI Leia would have been less creepy than what we actually got, but maybe that's just me.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:In retrospect, I wonder if CGI Tarkin was the reason they resorted to body doubles and unused footage for Carrie Fisher in RoS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byKy9kGnyvo
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Limited application, but goddamn.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:In retrospect, I wonder if CGI Tarkin was the reason they resorted to body doubles and unused footage for Carrie Fisher in RoS. I think it was more that there's a big difference in bringing back someone who died 25 years ago and someone who died 3.
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muscles like this! posted:I think it was more that there's a big difference in bringing back someone who died 25 years ago and someone who died 3. I get that they wanted to do something to eulogize a beloved actress who died recently but man, I feel like there had to be a better way of handling that. All the Leia scenes in RoS were just so distracting to me. It wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't also very obviously using canned lines and bending rear end-backwards to make the script work around that. MechanicalTomPetty fucked around with this message at 01:56 on May 19, 2020 |
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:In retrospect, I wonder if CGI Tarkin was the reason they resorted to body doubles and unused footage for Carrie Fisher in RoS. The cgi leia in rogue 1 was already creepy
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When watching RoS, in my head, when she walked away from everyone, I jokingly thought "well, I'm gonna go lay down and die now." And then she did.
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