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God the Class 4 strikes are so loving anime I love it.
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I don’t know the math but it appears that Angela’s heart-kiss thing (the class strike) is so much more powerful than Duran’s class strikes.
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May 17, 2020 06:31
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Duran's class 2 dark Cs send capable of taking down any group of mobs in the game
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May 17, 2020 12:51
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Glint Slash (LL-Paladin) was my go to for clearing trash packs. Most mobs died to the first hit and nothing lived past the second. The animation was also a couple seconds shorter than Kevin's DD CS.
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May 17, 2020 16:10
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Kevin’s light CS2 is basically the same as Duran’s dark CS2 and is part of what makes Divine Fist so good. Unfortunately Divine Fist’s C3 is pretty bad, since it takes forever to fire, doesn’t track and can miss. I’ve heard several people say Paladin’s CS3 is really good and I’m going for a CS spam team with Paladin, Divine Fist and Rogue now, so hopefully that will be fun. Knight’s damage output with Counter 1 and 2 has been surprisingly good, actually.
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May 17, 2020 16:53
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Finally finished my third run and did Hawkeyes class 4 item quest, the only one I have done yet. My first run was Riesz and I didn't use Hawkeye, so he never got to be a character in the party on his own story path. Is there anything interesting I'm missing in that case?
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May 17, 2020 17:26
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jokes posted:I don’t know the math but it appears that Angela’s heart-kiss thing (the class strike) is so much more powerful than Duran’s class strikes.
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May 17, 2020 18:30
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I'm going kinda slow and just got to the sanctuary of Mana. I've had the Class 3 tutorial pop up literally 3 times telling me to find ??? seeds and I have no idea where it wants me to look or what drops them. Am I supposed to have a stack by now because it really wants me to know I can class change now
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May 17, 2020 19:30
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Am I supposed to have a stack by now because it really wants me to know I can class change now Nope. They are first accessible only after the sanctuary, as a really rare drop from enemies. In addition, 6 of the seven new dungeons (not in Gusthall since you've already been there) have a ??? seed in a chest. If you want to rush, explore each dungeon (fleeing from enemies if you want to keep your level down) until you have al 6 chest seeds and grow them. There should be some RNG protection giving you all 6 possible items with no dupes from the six seeds, but apparently sometimes it doesn't work.
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May 17, 2020 20:28
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^^ The seeds roll for their item when you pick them up, not when you plant them. If you have an item or the unsprouted seed for that item in your inventory then you won't get a dupe for any of those items during the seed drop roll. However, if you go into NG+ with some unsprouted seeds then they get re-rolled for your new party with no dupe protection and all bets are off. Also, following on from those anti-dupe mechanics, if you consume an item to perform a class change then you may get another instance of that item when you pick up another seed, so don't class change anybody until you have all the items you need. nah the next part of the game is where you start getting them, I don't think there's any way to obtain additional seeds before you do the Sanctuary stuff and then the dungeon after that. Sapozhnik fucked around with this message at 20:33 on May 17, 2020 |
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May 17, 2020 20:29
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Fair enough, also reading about builds people are going for has me nervous  Went Hawk Dark, Charlotte Light and Angela Dark and I haven't put any thought in anything outside that so v  v
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May 17, 2020 20:48
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You really don't have to put much if any thought into it. I think all the seed posting is people trying to get onto class 3 as soon as they possibly can without progressing too far in the Benevodon part of the game so they can play with that aspect of the game sooner. I ended up pretty much just picking the first classes that were available via the seeds I found and ended up doing fine.
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May 17, 2020 21:02
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Or changing classes. Changing classes is a bitch.
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May 17, 2020 21:05
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Fair enough, also reading about builds people are going for has me nervous All caster team. I'd go Sage on Charlotte for better light elemental magic access than what Dark Angela has. The AoE sabers would be a bit wasted but  High Cleric gets saint saber instead so whatever.Either upgrade for Angela and Hawke should be interchangeable, but I'd go Nightblade with him for the passive mag-def down. Buy Walnuts and Sahaugin Scales in bulk, make sure everyone is maxed on INT training and you're good.
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May 17, 2020 21:23
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https://trialsofmana.seiyria.com/ Somebody made a nice character planner here to enable you to experiment with building your ultimate Kevin or Angela carry squad or whatever.
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May 17, 2020 22:49
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I feel sad that I didn't do Light with Angela because Ancient Curse definitely wasn't very good on very many boss fights. It's too easy to interrupt and MOST bosses just loving move out of the way anyway.
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May 17, 2020 23:20
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If I'm not going to NG+ for my third playthrough, is there any achievement-related reason to go through Anise's dungeon for a second time after obtaining class 4? Edit: oh right, the level 99 stuff. I should do that while I have Faerie's CS.
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May 17, 2020 23:35
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Taear posted:I feel sad that I didn't do Light with Angela because Ancient Curse definitely wasn't very good on very many boss fights. It's too easy to interrupt and MOST bosses just loving move out of the way anyway. Worked great for me. You've just gotta time it for some of them. Biggest problem was the crimson wizard just teleporting all over the drat place.
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May 17, 2020 23:48
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What is a "trap" when it comes to Hawkeye's abilities? Like he has an ability that increases trap damage by 25% and another that gives a boost to the CS gauge when a trap is successful, but I don't see what a trap actually is. Is that just his name for spells?
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May 17, 2020 23:59
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Poque posted:What is a "trap" when it comes to Hawkeye's abilities? Like he has an ability that increases trap damage by 25% and another that gives a boost to the CS gauge when a trap is successful, but I don't see what a trap actually is. Is that just his name for spells? Specifically Arrow Rain and Spike are traps, maybe Shuriken is too but I don't think he gets that spell and that ability at the same time.
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May 18, 2020 00:04
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Poque posted:What is a "trap" when it comes to Hawkeye's abilities? Like he has an ability that increases trap damage by 25% and another that gives a boost to the CS gauge when a trap is successful, but I don't see what a trap actually is. Is that just his name for spells? It's just Light Hawkeye's name for his (attack) spells, just like Dark Hawkeye's spells are Ninjitsu. All of Rogue Hawkeye's spells as well as all of Nomad Hawkeye's attack spells (IE, not the buffs or utility magic) count.
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May 18, 2020 00:51
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Poque posted:What is a "trap" when it comes to Hawkeye's abilities? Like he has an ability that increases trap damage by 25% and another that gives a boost to the CS gauge when a trap is successful, but I don't see what a trap actually is. Is that just his name for spells? His Ranger/Rogue spells are traps. The ones where he throws items, basically. Spikes, arrow rain, silver dart, grumpkin, all of those. They use Luck to determine damage and hit against defense. The spells Nomad gets are spells and go off INT. And by spells I mean poison bubble.
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May 18, 2020 00:54
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Finished NG+ with everyone at level 99, killing Anise in about a minute each time with a record of 52 seconds. One shot each of the crystals with their weakness from Angela’s tier 2 spells while Charlotte sets up black curse on anise and uses a magic buff item on Angela. Angela spams dark force while anise teleports all over the drat place since it’s one of the few things that will actually hit her consistently. Once anise changes, spam ancient curse until anise dies and Charlotte spams heals at the same time so Angela can tank sitting in crap to keep casting. Angela had the skill to avoid knock back while casting, but I don’t know it it mattered. Oh, and Duran was there too, I guess Taear posted:I feel sad that I didn't do Light with Angela because Ancient Curse definitely wasn't very good on very many boss fights. It's too easy to interrupt and MOST bosses just loving move out of the way anyway. Most annoying thing was grinding through regular enemies since they could spread out and some of them either didn’t have an element weakness to exploit and/or had armor that was annoying to knock off. Angela probably averaged faster, but I think nightblade Hawkeye had fewer annoyances. gently caress the crawlers in anises stockade.
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May 18, 2020 07:05
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I'm going kinda slow and just got to the sanctuary of Mana. I've had the Class 3 tutorial pop up literally 3 times telling me to find ??? seeds and I have no idea where it wants me to look or what drops them. Am I supposed to have a stack by now because it really wants me to know I can class change now I got all my seeds right after rescuing fairy. There's an enemy in the Woods of Wandara that drops them. Queeneebs, they're these flying bee women. I just ground those until I had all the seeds I needed. It was honestly kinda boring, but it didn't take that long.
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May 18, 2020 09:58
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Son of a Vondruke! posted:I got all my seeds right after rescuing fairy. There's an enemy in the Woods of Wandara that drops them. Queeneebs, they're these flying bee women. I just ground those until I had all the seeds I needed. It was honestly kinda boring, but it didn't take that long. Note if you plan on doing this: You need to have your Seed Box to level 4 or they won't drop any ??? seeds.
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May 18, 2020 12:56
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Nephrite posted:Note if you plan on doing this: You need to have your Seed Box to level 4 or they won't drop any ??? seeds. This is absolutely not true. You get a higher drop chance but I've never had a seed box at 4 and I've got seeds from them in two different games. The only issue with grinding the seeds off them is that you end up levelling quite a lot, like I was level 47 or so by the time I had six.
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May 18, 2020 13:01
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Nephrite posted:Note if you plan on doing this: You need to have your Seed Box to level 4 or they won't drop any ??? seeds. This isn't true. They'll drop them at a lower level, just at a less rate. I did mine while my box was at level 3.
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May 18, 2020 13:01
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I didn't get a single one until mine was level 4 from the Queeneebs.
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May 18, 2020 13:28
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I think it's also a function of your level. Also you can try to get lucky and just comb the dungeons for the guaranteed ??? seeds. I've never really felt the need to grind for them though since you don't lose anything by waiting to change, except perhaps your combat effectiveness.
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May 18, 2020 14:00
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I couldn't get any from Queenebs, I got my six from 5 chests and one dragon drop in the Gemstone Valley (which I will not call Daria)
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May 18, 2020 14:37
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I still call a lot of the places by their fan translation names. Gemstone Valley Dorian rolls off the tongue really well.
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May 18, 2020 14:39
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SettingSun posted:I still call a lot of the places by their fan translation names. Gemstone Valley Dorian rolls off the tongue really well. Ha, I legit don't even remember it being called Dorian. I just thought it was Gemstone Valley and the new one just threw in an extra word for funsies. Having finished up at the Dragon's Maw, I'm nearly done with this playthrough. Trying to decide if I want to New Game + for my second playthrough or just go through normally again. Duran is the only repeat character I expect to have - if I did NG+, does this mean I'd have two level 1 chars and Duran at like level 70? Poque fucked around with this message at 15:00 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 14:41
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SettingSun posted:I think it's also a function of your level. Also you can try to get lucky and just comb the dungeons for the guaranteed ??? seeds. I've never really felt the need to grind for them though since you don't lose anything by waiting to change, except perhaps your combat effectiveness. yeah, just make sure you save before opening chests and once you've identified the chest with the ??? seed in a given dungeon it's typically pretty easy to grab it, magic rope out, and then summon flammie and go check it at the entrance to the mana holy land if you get a seed that you don't want/need just keep reloading until you do this is kind of obnoxious but imo is generally going to be faster than grinding and lets you fully class change your team before you fight the third benevodon
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May 18, 2020 19:38
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I walked between the group of four and the mushrooms in the forest for about an hour and got four, I'd already got one from a chest and then got another from another chest in my second game. They don't drop often but promoting is super important and makes a huge difference.
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May 18, 2020 19:58
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LGD posted:if you get a seed that you don't want/need just keep reloading until you do From what I've heard, that one's a bust. What the ???-seed grows into is determined upon opening the chest, not growing the seed.
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May 18, 2020 20:00
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SettingSun posted:I think it's also a function of your level. Also you can try to get lucky and just comb the dungeons for the guaranteed ??? seeds. I've never really felt the need to grind for them though since you don't lose anything by waiting to change, except perhaps your combat effectiveness. It's probably a function of enemy levels actually, and those are a function of how many benevedons you've beaten. Character levels wouldn't make sense since those can be wildly uneven, like in a NG+ run with a level 99 character and low level everyone else).
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May 18, 2020 20:04
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Taear posted:I walked between the group of four and the mushrooms in the forest for about an hour and got four, I'd already got one from a chest and then got another from another chest in my second game. I saved at the Dolan statue, jumped down to the downstairs exit, ran into the group of three silver wolves, oneshot them with a level 2 CS, then if they didn't drop a ??? seed I immediately reloaded from the statue. I did this for something like an hour and got a single seed in the process. Peoples' mileage seems to extremely vary.
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May 18, 2020 20:05
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Sapozhnik posted:I saved at the Dolan statue, jumped down to the downstairs exit, ran into the group of three silver wolves, oneshot them with a level 2 CS, then if they didn't drop a ??? seed I immediately reloaded from the statue. I did this for something like an hour and got a single seed in the process. Uh, silver wolves? Dolan statue? We're talking about the bees in the Woods of Wandara. They're the ones who drop the seeds (or at least appear to have the highest drop rates)
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May 18, 2020 23:21
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I haven't bothered grinding for ??? seeds, even on my third NG+ playthrough. The chest ones have given me what I needed for people who haven't class changed yet and it's hard to get RNG screwed when you're bringing in 21 from the last playthrough.
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Silver wolverines in the tower were mentioned as a good source of farmable ??? seeds when the game came out and I had great success doing just that, but I would never savescum a single spawn - you can run circles and switch levels in the tower to kill a ton of them, especially with the more encounters ability.
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