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Tighclops posted:You ever notice how much of this show is Skype calls over bad CRT monitors Some of it is video messages being played on bad CRT monitors! 
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The Babylon 5 staffquote:Oh goddammit it's Bester. Me: 
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May 15, 2020 02:21
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It's nice to know Bester can feel things other than smug condescension but Jesus Christ he's literally a concentration camp guard in a relationship with a prisoner .
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May 15, 2020 02:52
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it's a testament to how likeable Walter Koenig is that you can watch him be a literal gestapo and the best you can work up is a bit of disappointment.
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May 15, 2020 03:00
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The B5 crew manage to get one up on him just often enough to keep him entertaining.
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May 15, 2020 03:09
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Yea, i wasn't saying anything about how fun he is to watch (very). Just, often when you see characters being really lovely in a show you actively dislike them. But with bester, because of his actor, you're like "mwah mwah mwah i guess"
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May 15, 2020 03:27
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What’s great about Bester is that he has a different agenda and often the B5 crew thinks they’ve one upped him but they haven’t. Also what he does in S3 and S4 is ... hoooo boy.
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May 15, 2020 03:37
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The whole use of Bester is really masterful storytelling. These days having a (mostly) bad guy be a compelling character is par for the course, but Bester showed the way. It's interesting that we didn't see a lot of the psychological fallout from the two "just" wars in the show; the Shadow War and the Earth Civil War. Well, except for Garibaldi really not trusting Lockley. I suppose it just hadn't set in for most people.
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mllaneza posted:The whole use of Bester is really masterful storytelling. These days having a (mostly) bad guy be a compelling character is par for the course, but Bester showed the way. Oh there's ONE group for whom the Shadow War has a HUGE psychological impact. That'd be the Drakh, of course. 
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May 15, 2020 05:36
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ConfusedUs posted:Vir is probably my favorite character in the show, tbh. I get what you're saying, but at the same time when Londo and G'kar get stuck in an elevator together is sublime teevee.
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May 15, 2020 06:10
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Rappaport posted:I get what you're saying, but at the same time when Londo and G'kar get stuck in an elevator together is sublime teevee. Why not both? That’s probably the best individual scene in the series.
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May 15, 2020 06:21
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It does seem pretty convenient that the one weakness of the Shadow vessels is telepaths, something almost every major race has. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just that there has to be more to this than we're being told.
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May 15, 2020 12:38
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ThingOne posted:It does seem pretty convenient that the one weakness of the Shadow vessels is telepaths, something almost every major race has. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just that there has to be more to this than we're being told. Season 5 spoiler It's implied that the Vorlorns secretly engineered and developed the telepath gene in many races to use as pawns against the shadows. I think Lyta outright explains it at some point in season 5? My memory is fuzzy on that one. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 13:19 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 12:42
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ThingOne posted:It does seem pretty convenient that the one weakness of the Shadow vessels is telepaths, something almost every major race has. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just that there has to be more to this than we're being told. Keep watching and don't read the above spoiler. E: Which I'm not sure if we've discussed it before (we've probably discussed everything at this point), but that makes me think that (post S5 spoiler) they hint (perhaps heavily) that the Vorlons are actually the ones that broke "the truce" first. The Vorlons and Shadows were left behind to guide the younger races and not directly interfere. The Vorlons started genetically manipulating the younger races against the Shadows, so the Shadows started escalating as well. Although the Vorlons would have done so because the Shadows started putting sentients in their ships? Unclear. Regardless I like the way that we are led to believe the Vorlons are the "good guys" but it turns out they are just as bad if not worse than the Shadows in the end due to being huge do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrites. Doctor Zero fucked around with this message at 13:12 on May 15, 2020 |
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May 15, 2020 13:05
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ThingOne posted:It does seem pretty convenient that the one weakness of the Shadow vessels is telepaths, something almost every major race has. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just that there has to be more to this than we're being told. There's a reason that the Narn don't have telepaths and why G'Kar propositioned Talia in season 1. But also because season 1 G'Kar was a sleazy skank.
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May 15, 2020 13:49
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V-Men posted:There's a reason that the Narn don't have telepaths and why G'Kar propositioned Talia in season 1. But also because season 1 G'Kar was a sleazy skank. Right, at the end of the episode Garibaldi reads about how the Narn telepaths were all wiped out during the last Shadow War. It's kind of incredible how far G'kar's come this season; his conversation with Delenn would've ended very differently last season or even earlier this season and even now it took everything he had not to kill her.
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May 15, 2020 14:46
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V-Men posted:There's a reason that the Narn don't have telepaths and why G'Kar propositioned Talia in season 1. But also because season 1 G'Kar was a sleazy skank. I love how in s4 they call back to him being a creeper what with leaving his fake eye in Delenn and Sheridan's bedroom during their honeymoon...
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May 15, 2020 14:46
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hope and vaseline posted:I love how in s4 they call back to him being a creeper what with leaving his fake eye in Delenn and Sheridan's bedroom during their honeymoon... "Woo-hoo?"
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May 15, 2020 15:13
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I would question where the line is between guidance and interference. Like if the Shadows were doing their own "guidance" before the Vorlons broke the truce, that would mean that they were encouraging the races to fight, which is a lot less defensible. It's plausible that they went and talked some races into wiping out one of the Vorlons' pet projects before the Vorlons decided to gather a coalition to wipe them out. Also I'd say that most of the alien plots are better than the humans, but then I'd still put Earth politics as more interesting than the Minbari most of the time.
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Another CGI rerender mixed with live action. https://youtu.be/Ge6BPyfxVw0
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Rewatching this series, and something I've noticed is how everyone has a tragic backstory. Ivanova lost her whole family to various circumstances, Garibaldi was a drunk and lost friends because of his work, Sheriden lost his wife to ZA'HA'DUM, Marcus's brother was KIA for the rangers, Delenn lost her mentor and father figure (and spiritual leader for her culture), Vir and Londo were both considered huge jokes in their respective families and G'kar was literally a survivor of genocide. The only one who didn't have a sob story background is Incel Lennier and Frankin. Saw Comes The Inquisitor, and man is that a rough episode. Putting aside the whole nonsense about Jack The Ripper (which is really sci fi 90's in a nutshell, I guess) the whole "inquisition" is working off the idea that Delenn and Sheridan consider themselves some sort of chosen ones with a great destiny entrusted to them by the universe, and it's just...such a weird idea to have? Like it's hybris of the highest order to imagine that sort of thing. Like for real, Delenn has a healthy confidence if she buys into the whole "destiny" nonsense.
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Well, Lennier is in unanswered love with Delenn and DOc has stim addiction and that thing that sent him travelling the universe so all of them are tragic in a way
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I’m just finishing Season 2 after introducing the series to my girlfriend, and why has it taken me over 20 years to realize Keffer bares more than a passing resemblance to Bashir on DS9?
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Well, Lennier is in unanswered love with Delenn and DOc has stim addiction and that thing that sent him travelling the universe so all of them are tragic in a way Well sure but those both happened during the course of the show, and in Franklins case not until mid season 2, it wasn't part of their tragic backstory. I've seen better odds of having living parents in a superhero comic.
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May 18, 2020 21:06
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Isn't he on B5 because he refused to provide research on Alien biology for weapon making? Basically supposed to have dead ended his career.
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May 18, 2020 21:14
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McCloud posted:Well sure but those both happened during the course of the show, and in Franklins case not until mid season 2, it wasn't part of their tragic backstory. I've seen better odds of having living parents in a superhero comic. Franklin's father was absent for most of his childhood and strict when he was around. He watched one of his friends die from exposure to space due to an airlock prank gone wrong. He later spent time in prison because he refused to turn over notes about the Minbari to Earth Force after the war started.
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May 18, 2020 21:17
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Now do the guy who worked the counter at the post office.
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TraderStav posted:Isn't he on B5 because he refused to provide research on Alien biology for weapon making? Basically supposed to have dead ended his career. Yes. Also Zack, like many of the B5 security staff, was in hard times before Garibaldi hired him, and Talia was Miss Cult Mentality 2258.
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TraderStav posted:Now do the guy who worked the counter at the post office. No, he's just a straight-up dick.
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So from this we can conclude Babylon 5 was a magnet for human trainwrecks. See also: Sinclair Something else I noticed re: the vorlon, spoiler for season 2 finale I thought Kosh looked kind of familiar...   I gotta tell ya, knowing they look like handsome squidward kind of takes away the mystique of the vorlons
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they look like handsome squidward to you
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That's true. To some he looked like handsome Drazi, to others he looked like Handsome G'kar!
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May 18, 2020 22:24
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McCloud posted:So from this we can conclude Babylon 5 was a magnet for human trainwrecks. See also: Sinclair I love this post so much. 
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McCloud posted:I've noticed is how everyone has a tragic backstory. Read or listen to Becoming Superman: My Journey From Poverty to Hollywood
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May 18, 2020 22:32
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McCloud posted:So from this we can conclude Babylon 5 was a magnet for human trainwrecks. Much like Babylon 5's casting calls.
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May 18, 2020 23:08
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McCloud posted:That's true. Oh, so regular G'kar?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Oh, so regular G'kar? Thank you, I was about to say!
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McCloud posted:So from this we can conclude Babylon 5 was a magnet for human trainwrecks. Of all species. But there's a reason for that, and Londo spells it out very early on: nobody expected B5 to succeed. The first three stations were sabotaged, the fourth vanished. And despite what Sinclair says about humans keeping trying until it stuck, B5 was half the size of the other Babylon stations and was only built at all because the Minbari agreed to put up some of the cash if they got final refusal on its commander. So yes, when it came to staffing B5 Earthforce mainly sent people who had nowhere else to go. The Centauri sent their embarrassments as well. The Narn took it seriously because they were desperate for respect and the Minbari of course knew what was really going on, but nobody else did.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Oh, so regular G'kar? This is what Londo saw, he just didn't want to admit it
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If I remember right not all of the first three were sabotaged, at least one just "exploded" or something. Which kind of makes sense, I feel like the Babylon stations were completely unprecedented feats of space engineering at the time.
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